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Would you lock him up with medium money, say $8/$7/$7 = $22 for 3 years today, or see how it plays out?

He may improve, and cost $44 for 4. (10/11/11/12)

He may still struggle, and be a MLE player ($5 x 3 = $15) or someone we trade.

Today's the deadline. Would you sign him at $22?

Trade him. He doesn't bring anything to the table other than being another scoring option.

He has nice potential, some quality skills, and he seems like a good guy, his drug issue is fairly minor, at least it's weed, not coke or liquor. I think his only real issue is his emotional maturity, which should take care of itself over the next couple years. He has gotten a very bad rap as he seems to fit a few handy stereotypes, which from a GM's point of view is great, he will get offers lower then his talent suggests.

I would definitely wait, he's restricted anyways, let the league determine his worth, then match/beat the offer... that said, if he was willing to do something like 3 years 20 million, last year being a team option, I'd be inclined to cut the deal today.

mvplayur wrote:Trade him. He doesn't bring anything to the table other than being another scoring option.

LOL, that is the entire point. Can't win without points.

We are obviously struggling with legitimate scoring options outside of Love now that we are so banged up. Beas legitimately can get his own (not always great) shot. Additionally, on many teams he can be a 20+ point scorer. On almost any team he can be a 15 point scorer and that is valuable enough to trade.

If Williams was closer to a deal, you'd have to think about it, but with him on a rookie deal, just pay for BEZ and trade him later if a good SG or center option presents itself where he is a point of interest.

No way, see what he is offered on the open-market.

His value is not great at the moment, the Restricted Offer should not be too high.

Minny should trade him for a position of need. He's not a bad player, but they just drafted Derek Williams who needs his minutes. I'm not convinced Derek Williams will be better than SupercoolBeaz, but you should at least find out.

Effigy wrote:Minny should trade him for a position of need. He's not a bad player, but they just drafted Derek Williams who needs his minutes. I'm not convinced Derek Williams will be better than SupercoolBeaz, but you should at least find out.

Derrick Williams = PF

Michael Beasley = SF

Trading away Beasley does absolutely nothing to help Williams' minutes.

Batum and Gordon hitting RFA is definitely encouraging. Watching these games with Beas out I can't help but think it'd be nice to have him in the lineup at times, but my rational side has come to terms with the fact that he can't fulfill the role that we expect out of him on a regular basis.

Ideally he'll exercise his option for next year and then go UFA. Depending on the players available in FA, we'd probably be best renouncing his rights altogether.

It would force Adelman to play Williams at the 3 more, so he might develop a little faster.

I wouldn't extend him now. He was struggling before he got injured so see how he does when he comes back. Also, we might need to just let him go during the offseason for capspace.

shangrila wrote:It would force Adelman to play Williams at the 3 more, so he might develop a little faster.

It's more likely that Wes Johnson and Anthony Tolliver would play more, which isn't a good thing.

I'm fine with extending him then trading him in the offseason if he doesn't fit in.
I'm also fine with waiting and giving him the QO.
Either way is better than letting him walk. He has value whether you personally like him or not, and we shouldn't waste the asset.

AQuintus wrote:

Effigy wrote:Minny should trade him for a position of need. He's not a bad player, but they just drafted Derek Williams who needs his minutes. I'm not convinced Derek Williams will be better than SupercoolBeaz, but you should at least find out.

Derrick Williams = PF

Michael Beasley = SF

Trading away Beasley does absolutely nothing to help Williams' minutes.

I don't understand the rational to trade away a better player just to see if the lesser player develops. And Williams has started the last two games at the 3, and hasn't sucked. Both he and Beas are PFs that need to learn how to play SF if they want to be successful in this league.

When do we need to decide if we're giving him the QO? (edit June 30)

I wouldn't have offered him an extension right now. He is way too often a negative value to the Wolves on the court. A negative value on the court isn't someone you want locked into any amount of salary for multiple years. With an $8.2 mil QO, that is somewhat questionable as well - even if it is just one year.

Sure he's young and has a lot of potential, but if he can't show some consistancy and team game skills before we need to offer him the QO, we are probably better off trading him or letting him walk.

mark blunt wrote:Gordon hitting RFA is definitely encouraging.

Besides the Love extension this is what I took out of yesterday. Now I don't think we'll be able to sign him as a RFA because NO will simply match (if we can even muster up the cap space). They are not going to lose him and get nothing in return. However, given Gordon's injury history and the fact the NBA still owns the Hornets, they might not be willing to pay the 4yr 58m deal he's going to receive from another team this offseason and instead of putting themselves in the situation of matching or losing him, they could be willing to make a deal at this year's trade deadline.

Some combo of Williams/Besley for Ariza/Gordon is a very nice initial offer or make it bigger and include Okafor and Darko plus fillers if NO wants to save money.

Rest assured that the first thing Kahn does in FA is to hand an offersheet to Batum.

Might make a play for Wallace as well.

jpatrick wrote:

mark blunt wrote:Gordon hitting RFA is definitely encouraging.

Besides the Love extension this is what I took out of yesterday. Now I don't think we'll be able to sign him as a RFA because NO will simply match (if we can even muster up the cap space). They are not going to lose him and get nothing in return. However, given Gordon's injury history and the fact the NBA still owns the Hornets, they might not be willing to pay the 4yr 58m deal he's going to receive from another team this offseason and instead of putting themselves in the situation of matching or losing him, they could be willing to make a deal at this year's trade deadline.

Some combo of Williams/Besley for Ariza/Gordon is a very nice initial offer or make it bigger and include Okafor and Darko plus fillers if NO wants to save money.

By not giving Eric Gordon an extension, he would be easier for NOH to trade, because he doesn't pick up the Poison Pill Provision. That would make his salary the average of this year and all the extended years, which makes it difficult to salary match.

The Pistons might be interested in Beasley...Don't be surprised if Dumars makes a phone call to Kahn...

Jodi wrote:The Pistons might be interested in Beasley...Don't be surprised if Dumars makes a phone call to Kahn...

Dumars: "Is this David Kahn?"
Kahn: "This is."
Dumars: "What do you want for Michael Beasley? We can offer you Charlie Villanueva or Jason Maxiell."
Kahn: "I know who Maxiell is, but who is this Villanueva guy?"
Dumars: "You'd love him, he's long and relatively athletic. We owe him 24M over the next 3 years, but he average 11 a night for us last year. Oh, and get this, he's played a total of 6 minutes this season in two games so his legs are going to be really fresh!"
Kahn: "How about you keep Maxiell and Vallanueva and give us a top-5 protected first instead?"

......dial tone.......

@Fire Mchale: Remember my last statement and your cute little skit...Lets talk again after the trade deadline...