CHA - MIN - POR (from trade board)

[shrink]

Here's one of the more interesting ones I've seen, and it's gotten pretty good feedback.

CHA:
IN: Derrick Williams (~$4.75M)
OUT: Bismack Biyombo, DJ Augustin, CHA #2 2012 (~$6M)
--The Bobcats need all the talent they can get and, while Biyombo is a very nice prospect at center, Williams is a better prospect and overall talent upgrade. Add their lottery pick this year (Drummond, Davis, or Sullinger) to Williams/Walker and CHA would have a decent foundation to work with next year.
--Projected Roster:
SF: Derrick Williams / Boris Diaw / [Corey Maggette]
PF: Tyrus Thomas / DJ White / Derrick Brown
C: Byron Mullens / DaSagana Diop
PG: Kemba Walker / Cory Higgins
SG: Gerald Henderson / Matt Carroll / [Reggie Williams]

MIN:
IN: Nicolas Batum, Bismack Biyombo, Marcus Camby (~$16M)
OUT: Derrick Williams, Darko Milicic, Anthony Randolph, UTA #1 2012 (~$12.5M)
--As long as MIN would extend him for what he's worth, Batum gives them a long-term answer at SG. Between himself and Biyombo, MIN would be gaining two top-flight prospects who, perhaps most importantly, are primarily known for defense. The potential balance with those two providing the team with a premier interior *and* perimeter defender, and with Love/Rubio/Beasley providing the offense, could make it such that this trade would settle the core of the team for many years to come.
--Biyombo is already a first-rate shot blocker. He is a tremendous athlete and seems very smart. And here he'd be able to learn a bit under Camby for a year. With that experience and a full training camp in the autumn, he could be ready to be a major contributor as soon as next year.
--The projected roster actually looks like it goes a pretty solid 12 deep (Plus Malcolm Lee, if he proves any good). The team really wouldn't need the conditional UTA pick.
--Projected Roster:
SF: Michael Beasley / Martell Webster / Wes Johnson
PF: Kevin Love / Anthony Tolliver
C: Nikola Pekovic / Marcus Camby / Bismack Biyombo
PG: Ricky Rubio / Luke Ridnour
SG: Nicolas Batum / JJ Barea / Wayne Ellington

POR:
IN: DJ Augustin, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, UTA #1 2012, CHA #2 2012 (~$11M)
OUT: Nicolas Batum, Marcus Camby (~$13M)
--It is not clear at all if POR can re-sign Batum or if he has any inclination to stay with the team at all, while Camby is headed for retirement. While they would also have to be re-signed, Augustin/Randolph should be relatively inexpensive. Augustin is arguably an upgrade on Felton, while Randolph could provide the team with a versatile frontcourt player. Randolph still has loads of potential and would probably get more opportunity for minutes in POR given how thin they are in the frontcourt.
--Milicic obviously has his limitations and is inconsistent but he's at least under 30, has generally been healthy, and is signed for a few more years at a relatively cheap cost for a starting center.
--The UTA pick is lottery protected but could be had this year if UTA continues to play well. Also, the CHA 2nd rd pick would be high enough that they could land a solid player there.
--Projected Roster:
SF: Gerald Wallace / Luke Babbitt
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Anthony Randolph / Craig Smith
C: Darko Milicic / Kurt Thomas / [Greg Oden]
PG: Raymond Felton / DJ Augustin / Nolan Smith
SG: Wesley Matthews / Jamal Crawford / Elliot Williams

[prefuse73]

I would do that in a second. Batum is more a SF, so I would still try to move Beasley for SG. Otherwise sign me up. Biyombo learns from Camby for the rest of the year and takes over as starter next year. Keep Pek as a matchup/post scoring option.

Camby - Pek - Biyombo
Love - Beasley - Tolliver
Batum - Beasley - Johnson
Webster - Ellington
Rubio - Ridnour - Barea

[C.lupus]

I like this also - if we have another deal for a SG. Beasley + Ridnour for ????

[Fire Mchale]

I REALLY like this move and it makes some sense across the board. That's a pretty healthy return for the Wolves and potentially gives us our polar opposite centers - Pek is largely all offense and Biyombo is all defense. The deal is a no-brainer for Charlotte. They open up more minutes for Walker and add in another young, exciting pick in Williams. Portland would be the one to say no, if anyone. Batum can play but will force a financial decision between him and Wallace - Darko allows them to get younger at C, even if he is a bit of an enigma. Darko has shown that he can function in the NBA if you stop forcing him to take 15 shots a night. My question is whether or not they gain ground in giving up Camby. They haven't really added any true depth at C and if something happened to Wallace, enter Luke Babbitt.

Very interesting overall trade. Good work.

[moss_is_1]

I would do this as well. I love Batum and Biyombo.

[rugbyrugger23]

I think this is a bad trade for the Wolves. Bismack and Love are not a great fit...similar games to an extent. Both pride themselves on being rebounding machines, not overly long and athletic above the rim type players, and Bismack offensive game is a huge work in progress.

And as already mentioned, Batum is more of a SF, an additional trade would be needed to clear up the logjam at SF (which Wolves have now too-which this trade doesn't cure).

[dukeknicksirish]

Minny would be on the verge on greatness with this trade....

[jpatrick]

I think this is a bad trade for the Wolves. Bismack and Love are not a great fit...similar games to an extent. Both pride themselves on being rebounding machines, not overly long and athletic above the rim type players, and Bismack offensive game is a huge work in progress.

Not sure if you're serious? Besides the fact that neither is 7', they couldn't be more different. Bismack is actually VERY LONG. He's only about 6'9" but has a huge wingspan that gives him a reach of almost 9'4" (Bogut's is 9'2" for comparison). He's also a crazy athlete and a great defensive shotblocker. Love is none of those things. Where you are right is that Bismack's offensive game is horrendous right now and who knows how old he really is so there might not be alot of growth there. He's also not 7' so despite the long reach he's undersized for his position.

I see his absolute ceiling as Ben Wallace because I don't see his offensive game coming around. I wouldn't mind him being on our team as an off the bench defensive force but it's hard to imagine him being the long term solution at center. I could be wrong though.

[LordBaldric]

Where do I sign up?

[rugbyrugger23]

I think this is a bad trade for the Wolves. Bismack and Love are not a great fit...similar games to an extent. Both pride themselves on being rebounding machines, not overly long and athletic above the rim type players, and Bismack offensive game is a huge work in progress.

Not sure if you're serious? Besides the fact that neither is 7', they couldn't be more different. Bismack is actually VERY LONG. He's only about 6'9" but has a huge wingspan that gives him a reach of almost 9'4" (Bogut's is 9'2" for comparison). He's also a crazy athlete and a great defensive shotblocker. Love is none of those things. Where you are right is that Bismack's offensive game is horrendous right now and who knows how old he really is so there might not be alot of growth there. He's also not 7' so despite the long reach he's undersized for his position.

I see his absolute ceiling as Ben Wallace because I don't see his offensive game coming around. I wouldn't mind him being on our team as an off the bench defensive force but it's hard to imagine him being the long term solution at center. I could be wrong though.

No I am serious. Wallace would be a great example of Bismack, or Maxiell. And when I said long and athletic, I don't mean measurements, all NBA players are long and athletic when measured. I mean style of play, natural basketball athletic. The difference is obvious on a basketball court. Kind of like when a good athlete (non basketball player) plays basketball-he has measurable skills and natural athletic ability. But when you combine a true basketball player (something natural and learned) who is long and athletic with similar measurables, the performance is much different. I think this is what the Wolves need next to Love.

[WetWildandWeird]

No I am serious. Wallace would be a great example of Bismack, or Maxiell. And when I said long and athletic, I don't mean measurements, all NBA players are long and athletic when measured. I mean style of play, natural basketball athletic. The difference is obvious on a basketball court. Kind of like when a good athlete (non basketball player) plays basketball-he has measurable skills and natural athletic ability. But when you combine a true basketball player (something natural and learned) who is long and athletic with similar measurables, the performance is much different. I think this is what the Wolves need next to Love.

I am sorry, what?

[[RCG]]

Take out Camby and Biyombo because they are non-factors and its:

Derrick Williams, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, Utah 1st for Nicholas Batum.

[funkatron101]

Yes.

[prefuse73]

well then take out Darko and Randolph as they are non factors... and its Derrick Williams/Utah 1st for Batum.

We are trading out Williams who is projecting as more of a PF for a legit SF and then also getting a great vet Center as well as a project center. I thinks a good. Maybe a bit more coming back from Charlotte for Williams...

[moss_is_1]

Take out Camby and Biyombo because they are non-factors and its:

Derrick Williams, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, Utah 1st for Nicholas Batum.

Why exactly is Biyombo a non-factor? He's 19, and already shown that he can at least block shots and rebound in the NBA. He has a great motor and athleticism.

[Esohny]

Take out Camby and Biyombo because they are non-factors and its:

Derrick Williams, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, Utah 1st for Nicholas Batum.

Why exactly is Biyombo a non-factor? He's 19, and already shown that he can at least block shots and rebound in the NBA. He has a great motor and athleticism.

Yeah, that was a big "huh?" with me too.

[cpfsf]

Take out Camby and Biyombo because they are non-factors and its:

Derrick Williams, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, Utah 1st for Nicholas Batum.

Why exactly is Biyombo a non-factor? He's 19, and already shown that he can at least block shots and rebound in the NBA. He has a great motor and athleticism.

I don't even think it's fair to consider Camby a non factor. He's still among the best of the best when it comes to rebounds.

I have this feeling that Milicic would be upset after being traded again.

[InjuryProne]

Do it

[Krapinsky]

Take out Camby and Biyombo because they are non-factors and its:

Derrick Williams, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic, Utah 1st for Nicholas Batum.

Why exactly is Biyombo a non-factor? He's 19, and already shown that he can at least block shots and rebound in the NBA. He has a great motor and athleticism.

I don't even think it's fair to consider Camby a non factor. He's still among the best of the best when it comes to rebounds.

I have this feeling that Milicic would be upset after being traded again.

Camby hates being traded too. I think he'd sooner retire than be traded here.

[Grits n Gravy]

Yes.