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There's only one rule to this thread. You have to make your own list before you can criticize anyone else's.

Untouchable:
Rubio, Love

Highly valuable:
Pekovic, Derrick Williiams

Slightly valuable and tradable:
Beasley, Barea, Ridnour, Malcolm Lee (we value him more than he's worth, so he won't be cheap)

Neutral value (worth their contracts, but no big loss):
Darko Milicic, Anthony Randolph, Anthony Tolliver, Wayne Elllington

Slightly negative to negative value:
Brad Miller, Martel Webster

Negative to Atrocious value:
none


I already know people are going to disagree about Ridnour/Barea....but I have to point out they are playing out of position which is why their trade value won't suffer. IMO GMs will say "well of course they didn't play as well this year, they aren't playing the position they're good at."

Should be fun to see who we all disagree on.

i agree with all your's except i put martell and brad into "slightly valuable" as they can be effectively expiring contracts and i put jj into "neutral value".

Grits n Gravy wrote:i agree with all your's except i put martell and brad into "slightly valuable" as they can be effectively expiring contracts and i put jj into "neutral value".

They can be, but the way I look at it raw cap space > those 2, so I'd give them slightly negative to most teams. Slightly positive to a few. In the off season they'll still have less value than cap space though.

Untouchable:
Rubio, Love

Highly valuable:
Derrick Williiams

Slightly valuable and tradable:
Pekovic, Malcolm Lee, Brad Miller, Martel Webster, Anthony Randolph, Wayne Ellington, Anthony Tolliver

Neutral value (worth their contracts, but no big loss):
Michael Beasley, Wes Johnson

Slightly negative to negative value:
Luke Ridnour, Darko Milicic, J.J. Barea,

Negative to Atrocious value:
none

I'm going to explain Beasley because it probably looks weird having him as "neutral value." He's a good player and everything, but he's a restricted free agent who will likely get a pretty decent offer during the offseason. If a team trades for him, it'll be under the assumption that they will be retaining him, aka extending him or matching an offer sheet. He isn't worth what he'll ultimately end up getting.

Darko, Barea and Ridnour have negative value because they aren't worth their contracts and they all are on multi-year deals. You'd probably have to throw in assets to get rid of them, hence, negative value.

Martell Webster and Brad Miller both have positive value as expiring contracts. Cap space is irrelevant because they are considered assets to other teams, hence, positive value. Tolliver is another expiring, hence his positive trade value.

Wayne Ellington has positive value simply because pure shooters are valuable, especially ones who make $1-2 million/year.

Wes Johnson has neutral value simply because he has a team option for 2013/2014. If he didn't, he'd have negative value. He sucks and isn't worth his contract, but because he's a lottery pick only two years removed from college, that brings his value up to neutral.

I'd bump Miller and Webster up to neutral value because of their contracts. Otherwise, I agree with the rest of Narf's list. We have a lot of players who probably have negative value talent-wise right now but most are on short or expiring contracts so I really don't think there are any negatives.

Wes has negative value this season becoming Neutral in the off season when he turns into an expiring imo.

We basically have 4 players with good positive value in Love,Rubio,Pek and Williams, and everyone else fits some where in the range between slightly negative to slightly positive.

Untouchable:
Rubio, Love

Highly Valuable:
Pekovic, Williams

Slightly Valuable and Tradeable:
Beasley, Ridnour, Randolph, Tolliver, Wes Johnson, Lee, Webster, Miller

Neutral Value:
Darko, Ellington, Barea

Negative Value:
None

This list I'm sure looks pretty homerish, but here are my thoughts. Rubio and Love are givens. Pekovic has played with or outplayed the best centers in the league this past month and he's on a very cap-friendly contract considering his play. Williams is the #2 overall pick on his rookie contract. Beasley can play and has a contract situation that allows you to either test drive him or extend him. Ridnour is a functional PG on a reasonable deal and he can hit open shots - a commodity for several teams. Randolph is a cheap tryout of an athletic freak who just hasn't been able to figure it out - easily tradeable. Tolliver is a cheap expiring big man who plays with high energy. Wes Johnson was the #4 overall pick from two years ago and while the return on trading him is diminishing, it isn't gone and he's still on his rookie contract. Malcolm Lee is so affordable that as long as he has a pulse, he's good end of the bench fodder. I placed Webster and Miller in the tradeable group as they are largely expiring contracts. Webster has some game left, Miller is done - but there is always demand for expiring money. Darko is a 7-footer making 5M. I doubt there's much demand for him, but Portland would have to consider his contract worth discussing. Ellington is as much of a 'meh' player as there is. He's sitting at 2M so he's pretty movable, but that's probably how much he's worth. The length of Barea's deal makes him an average acquisition. If his play moves upwards some, he'll move up a category.

iansportsdude7 wrote:Slightly negative to negative value:
Luke Ridnour, Darko Milicic, J.J. Barea,

I disagree. I think both Ridnour and Barea have slightly positive value, especially to the right team. Both are excellent back-up PGs. Ridnour can start on teams that primarily need a PG who can shoot, handle the ball a little but doesn't need the offense run through him like the Heat or Knicks. Barea has title experience, is an offensive spark-plug and should be valuable to any play-off team.

Here's how I see it:

Not realistically tradeable:
Rubio, Love

Highly Valuable:
Pekovic, Williams

Slightly Valuable:
Webster, Ridnour

Neutral Value:
Lee, Ellington, Beasley, Tolliver, Wes Johnson, Randolph, Miller

Negative Value:
Barea, Darko

[RCG] wrote:

iansportsdude7 wrote:Slightly negative to negative value:
Luke Ridnour, Darko Milicic, J.J. Barea,

I disagree. I think both Ridnour and Barea have slightly positive value, especially to the right team. Both are excellent back-up PGs. Ridnour can start on teams that primarily need a PG who can shoot, handle the ball a little but doesn't need the offense run through him like the Heat or Knicks. Barea has title experience, is an offensive spark-plug and should be valuable to any play-off team.

Weird that no other team would offer him the mid-level then. Last I heard Wolves offer was double what any other team was willing to pay him. Barea said offers weren't even close.

I actually got this idea from a post I made in Portland's room.

And since we are looking for a SG, I'm thinking Ridnour + Ellington for Wes Matthews makes a lot of sense.

Wont Trade wrote:Untouchable
LaMarcus Aldridge

Highly Valuable
Nicolas Batum

Slightly Valuable
Gerald Wallace, Marcus Camby

Neutral Value
Kurt Thomas, Craig Smith, Elliot Williams

Slightly Negative Value
Jamal Crawford, Wesley Matthews

Negative to Atrocious Value
Raymond Felton, Luke Babbit, Armon Johnson, Chris Johnson, Nolan Smith

Greg Oden Value
Greg Oden

They are as down on Matthews as we are on Ridnour, and Portland needs a PG.
Plus Matthews has a much bigger contract than Barea or Ridnour.

That's sort of surprising, but I don't think Ridnour or Barea are guys that McMillan would like. Maybe there's a possibility for a three team trade though?

Narf wrote:I actually got this idea from a post I made in Portland's room.

And since we are looking for a SG, I'm thinking Ridnour + Ellington for Wes Matthews makes a lot of sense.

Wont Trade wrote:Untouchable
LaMarcus Aldridge

Highly Valuable
Nicolas Batum

Slightly Valuable
Gerald Wallace, Marcus Camby

Neutral Value
Kurt Thomas, Craig Smith, Elliot Williams

Slightly Negative Value
Jamal Crawford, Wesley Matthews

Negative to Atrocious Value
Raymond Felton, Luke Babbit, Armon Johnson, Chris Johnson, Nolan Smith

Greg Oden Value
Greg Oden

They are as down on Matthews as we are on Ridnour, and Portland needs a PG.
Plus Matthews has a much bigger contract than Barea or Ridnour.

Isn't Felton an expiring? How would he have negative to atrocious value? That poster seems overly negative about some other there players. Not that we aren't the same way.

I can't say that I don't echo Portland's thoughts on Matthews. I don't miss a game when they're on and tend to focus largely on Matthews and Batum and Matthews really hasn't done much to impress me. He's an improvement over what we have, but I think I would almost prefer to pay more to get an OJ Mayo type of player - especially when Mayo will likely be look at 7-8M himself.

I know he´s killing us this season, but I still think W.Jhonson has some trade value. If he could just start shooting with confidence... He´s athletic... good defense... young... good attitude (coaches like him)... can dribble and get to the rim with energy... It´s a weird case of a player that looks very nice but performs close to garbage. I thinkg a good bunch of GMs would still see future in him (and they´d probably be right)

Krapinsky wrote:That's sort of surprising, but I don't think Ridnour or Barea are guys that McMillan would like. Maybe there's a possibility for a three team trade though?

yeah I think having barrea on his team would be a nightmare for mcmillan

Viljanen wrote:I know he´s killing us this season, but I still think W.Jhonson has some trade value. If he could just start shooting with confidence... He´s athletic... good defense... young... good attitude (coaches like him)... can dribble and get to the rim with energy... It´s a weird case of a player that looks very nice but performs close to garbage. I thinkg a good bunch of GMs would still see future in him (and they´d probably be right)

I think Jim Peterson was right when he said Wes needs to step in from the 3 point line. Almost every one of his 3 pointers hits the front of the rim. He seems much better when he is aggressive and shooting mid-to-long twos.

C.lupus wrote:

Viljanen wrote:I know he´s killing us this season, but I still think W.Jhonson has some trade value. If he could just start shooting with confidence... He´s athletic... good defense... young... good attitude (coaches like him)... can dribble and get to the rim with energy... It´s a weird case of a player that looks very nice but performs close to garbage. I thinkg a good bunch of GMs would still see future in him (and they´d probably be right)

I think Jim Peterson was right when he said Wes needs to step in from the 3 point line. Almost every one of his 3 pointers hits the front of the rim. He seems much better when he is aggressive and shooting mid-to-long twos.

it's amazing to me that no one in the coaching staff has worked with wes on getting more arc on his shot....the ones that go in for him have arc and get over the top of the back board...thats right though, they all seem to be coming up short...22% is mind blowing.

I think Wes Johnson is a SF, and it diminishes his value to move him over to SG. He can drive to the rim at SF and finish, he's just never going to be able to do that against most SGs.

So even if he gets his 3 point shot back, we still need a SG.

Felton has been awful this year, badmouthed his coach, and I think he's going to be cheap to sign in the off season if we wanted him. But if that's what you do in a contract year...eesh.

Matthews was spectacularly overrated for a while by these forums. I have no idea why. I think he's got neutral value as his contract/cap space is rather big. Portland did give him a big signing bonus, so that's like them sending cash along with Matthews to sweeten the deal for Minnesota.

Someone on the trade board suggested: Randolph, Ridnour, and Utah's 1st for Matthews. I think that makes sense on both sides.

One thing I've picked up from on the Portland board is Matthews can't create his own shot, but is good as an off-ball catch and shoot player. Sounds like he'll love Rubio.

Narf wrote:I think Wes Johnson is a SF, and it diminishes his value to move him over to SG. He can drive to the rim at SF and finish, he's just never going to be able to do that against most SGs.

So even if he gets his 3 point shot back, we still need a SG.

Oh definitely. He is not a SG and he has 90+ games in Minnesota that prove that.

I'm for making a play for Mathews. I think he'd look good here.