Beas/Williams

weasel · Post #1 » by **weasel** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:33 pm

Since my last poll is sitting at a 28/28 even split in votes, I'm gonna try and see if I can duplicate that result. I'm pretty sure all of us realize that either Beas or Williams will have to be moved to balance out the roster. Which one do you think should be traded, and why?

Jajwanda · Post #2 » by **Jajwanda** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:35 pm

From an outside perspective Williams. He has by far more value, while Beasley could have value to the team if he were to get more playing time.

weasel · Post #3 » by **weasel** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:37 pm

I'm going to say Williams is the one, and my deciding factor is my percieved trade value. I think right now, he can get us a bigger return. I also think Beasley will always be a better SF, thus making him a better fit.

AQuintus · Post #4 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:38 pm

One (Beasley) is a SF who can play spot minutes at PF and the other (Williams) is a PF who might be able to develop into a SF someday. I don't see why it's an either or thing at all. If anything, it should be Williams vs Love at this point (though we all know the answer to that one).

As for the poll, I vote Williams since Beasley is our only half way decent wing player, Williams is our 2nd best PF at best (and that won't change any time soon), and Williams as substantially more trade value.

Jajwanda · Post #5 » by **Jajwanda** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:39 pm

I think Beasley is a SF that can defend PFs, a great fit for a second unit playing about 30 mpg.

doubledyll424 · Post #6 » by **doubledyll424** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:37 pm

I would say Keep Both! Williams is in his Rookie season and Beasley is just coming off an Injury. Why in the world would you trade a #2 Draft pick with the potential that Williams has, halfway through his rookie season on a team that he has had limited playing time on? As for Beasley. He is shooting over 42% (by far the Team Best) from downtown this season despite his injury and 6th man role. We just need to have a little patience with these guys. We have not had a team with the same core Players, playing together for more than a year yet. Also as for AR, I think we need to give him another year to see if he can bulk up and improve his defense while becoming more emotionally stable.

I know we have a need at the SG position but we have other players that we don't utilize right now that might be worth trading.

LordBaldric · Post #7 » by **LordBaldric** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:18 am

Trade both?

Esohny · Post #8 » by **Esohny** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:28 am

LordBaldric wrote:Trade both?

If they're bringing wings back, and not bigs, PGs, or tweener forwards, I'd be down for that.

Dewey · Post #9 » by **Dewey** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:40 am

After 3 years Beas has shown he has the skill, but at the same time, we still don't have any idea what we'll get out of him any given night ... I keep DW. Beas will never take our low ball offer anyway. Too bad he never got on a veteran team that he could grow into.

Grits n Gravy · Post #10 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:35 am

i'll be devastated if we trade beas so i voted williams....3 factors
- i love beas and still 100% believe in him
- trade value - at this moment i think williams has quite a bit more
- finally - fit, beas is much more of a true small forward and williams is and will continue to be for the near future a 4, stuck behind an all star.

beas is REALLY starting to buy into being a team player - sharing the ball, giving real effort defensively and trying to to the intangibles like rebounding hard and trying to contest shots.

Peezo · Post #11 » by **Peezo** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:47 am

I said Beasley simply because of the uncertainty of his contract this offseason. He'll be a RFA but one that is probably more coveted than many because of his scoring potentia, age, and seemingly reasonable asking price. While I agree that his value is somewhat low right now, I feel the opposite will be true when he can be signed to a deal by a team in need of his scoring. I'm also worried with the new 3 day waiting period we will be more susceptible to losing him if he is tendered quickly.

DWill has clear talent and is on a rookie deal. You shouldn't trade that before he has had at least one full season. I want to keep him almost as much as I'd like to keep Pek.

I love Beas, but if I had to trade one, I'm sticking with the cheaper option for more guaranteed years.

urinesane · Post #12 » by **urinesane** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:48 am

I say Williams mainly because I don't think he can play the 3 well, so may as well take advantage of his value instead of having him backup Love.

Yes We Kahn · Post #13 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:18 am

Grits n Gravy wrote:i'll be devastated if we trade beas so i voted williams....3 factors
- i love beas and still 100% believe in him
- trade value - at this moment i think williams has quite a bit more
- finally - fit, beas is much more of a true small forward and williams is and will continue to be for the near future a 4, stuck behind an all star.

beas is REALLY starting to buy into being a team player - sharing the ball, giving real effort defensively and trying to to the intangibles like rebounding hard and trying to contest shots.

I'm happy there is at least one other person out there that shares my belief in beas. I really have a lot of faith in him. He does seem to be making changes to his game to benefit the team and these things don't happen overnight. I understand that his contract will be ending, so time isn't unlimited, but I would really be disappointed to see us trade him for a late pick "just so we got something for him." I know there is a lot for him to work on still, but I have to say you've got to be crazy to think that a late first rounder has more potential in this league than beas does at this very moment. We can sit here and name players who have been steals later in drafts, but this is definitely the exception and not the rule. For every Afflalo, there are 10 Ellingtons.

None of this is a knock on Derrick. I think he will be a good player in this league. Would I be ecstatic if he remained with the wolves, developed into a 3, and blossomed? Of course. But at this moment, if I had to choose, I would trade him because of fit, trade value, and losing the dunk contest.

shangrila · Post #14 » by **shangrila** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 am

It's Beasley. Have faith all you want, but 3 and a half years of mediocre play is fairly damning evidence when looking at his future. Could he turn it around? Sure, but so could Wes, and everyone seems eager to dump him for a half eaten bagel.

I mean, even his improvements are mediocre. He puts effort in on the defensive end now...and he's still a ball watching turnstyle. He's not a black hole but he still takes long jumpers like he's Kobe Bryant. Now, I like him as a person as much as the next guy, but this team went through years of clinging to players that just weren't very good because "we liked them". Remember Foye? McCants? Craig Smith?

Same thing with Beasley; you're hoping he can change at that fundamental level, but that's nearly impossible. And I might be in the minority here, but I'm tired of sitting around and waiting for a miracle, especially when we've unexpectedly had two (and maybe four, if you want to include Pek and Adelman) fall right in our laps.

Saltine · Post #15 » by **Saltine** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:10 am

Considering both of them are in all the advertisements the Wolves have been showing for the past couple months, with Rubio and Love, I doubt either goes anywhere. You may recall, in December, it was just Love, Rubio and Williams, since January Beas has been in them as well. Teams rarely spend cash promoting players that are leaving. Notably absent, everyone else.

Yes We Kahn · Post #16 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:14 pm

shangrila wrote:It's Beasley. Have faith all you want, but 3 and a half years of mediocre play is fairly damning evidence when looking at his future. Could he turn it around? Sure, but so could Wes, and everyone seems eager to dump him for a half eaten bagel.

Really?? Comparing his game to Wes doesn't do him any justice.

Beasley Career: 15.5 PPG, 45%, 36% 3PT, 5.8 RPG
Wes Career: 8 PPG, 39%, 32% 3PT, 3 RPG

You can disagree with me and want to trade Beasley all you want, but don't say things that have absolutely no merit. Beasley has things to work on, but he is not working from the level of Wesley Johnson.

shangrila · Post #17 » by **shangrila** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:20 pm

Read it again. I didn't compare their games at all.

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN · Post #18 » by **BIRDMAN BIRDMAN** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:32 pm

Beasley sucks more. No promise at all. This dude is nothing but all potential.

Rather keep Williams.

thinktank · Post #19 » by **thinktank** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:08 pm

1. Fit
2. Value

Both of these point to keeping Beasley.

It's pretty simple. Billy Beane would say that if we sign Beasley to a reasonable offer next year, that would be a value boon for our team. And that's with his numbers exactly where they are right now.

I'm glad so many people think Williams can develop into a guy that can be successful at two positions. That means we'll be able to trade him for a better SG than I thought.

Post #20 » by **Klomp** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:26 pm

The small market thinking is rearing its ugly head again. Why do we always have to trade the guy who is better? Just because he may get more on the open market doesn't make the trade better value for us.

Are these the same people who said this offseason that we should keep Williams and trade Love?

Who should we part ways with?