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With the deadline gone it'll be a good idea to see what kind of cap figure we can expect for the offseason.

Players under contract:
Kevin Love - $13,668,750(via coon, krapinsky pointed this out in another thread)
Martell Webster - $5,712,000($600k guaranteed until July 1st)
Darko Milicic - $5,228,000
Brad Miller - $5,104,000($848,000 guaranteed, fully guaranteed if not waived before june 30th)
Derrick Williams - $4,809,840
Nikola Pekovic - $4,837,200
Jose Juan Barea - $4,493,500
Wes Johnson - $4,285,560
Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000
Ricky Rubio - $3,741,120
Wayne Ellington - $2,083,042
Malcolm Lee - $762,195

Total = $58,725,207

Capholds for free agents:
Michael Beasley - $12,524,694
Anthony Randolph - $7,278,078
Anthony Tolliver - $2,665,000

Total(salaries + capholds) = $81,192,979

Waiving Martell Webster, Brad Miller, and Tolliver's caphold...would still leave us at $69,159,979. (plus I didn't factor in capholds for roster spots, I wasn't sure of what the number was, I believe around $500k, so add $1m to that.)

Amnestying Darko, waiving ARs hold(I doubt we would do that, Kahn still seems to like his potential), waiving Beasley's hold puts us at $44,129,207, again not adding in capholds for roster spots...so adding around $1.5m to that leaves us with $45,629,207 in committed salary if we just flat out cut Martell and Brad Miller. Waiving the capholds of AR/Beasley(giving up bird rights to match a contract), and amnestying Darko.

Who could we target with roughly $15m in caproom?

I thought Miller was retiring. Wouldn't he come off the books completely then?

funkatron101 wrote:I thought Miller was retiring. Wouldn't he come off the books completely then?

Not sure, that would be helpful though.

I highly doubt Webster's team option is declined. Miller also has a team option but I'm fairly certain he will be let go. I also doubt we keep AR, Tolliver, or Beasley. I think with keeping Webster that will leave us with what, 9-10 million? We could always offer a contract to Mayo, as I doubt the Grizzlies will match a higher salary contract since they have so much money tied up to their starters.

moss_is_1 wrote:Who could we target with roughly $15m in caproom?

Batum

funkatron101 wrote:

moss_is_1 wrote:

funkatron101 wrote:I thought Miller was retiring. Wouldn't he come off the books completely then?

Not sure, that would be helpful though.

Swan song: Former Bull Brad Miller is hoping to return from May 2011 microfracture surgery to repair his left knee in the next two weeks. Miller, who spent pregame catching up with close friend Joakim Noah and others, said he plans to retire after this season.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012 ... icky-rubio

I haven't found a clear answer but I'm pretty sure the salary still counts on the books after a player retires. My guess is he will retire, they will waive him before his final season becomes fully guaranteed, and they will hire him as an assistant of some sort.

C.lupus wrote:I haven't found a clear answer but I'm pretty sure the salary still counts on the books after a player retires.

99% sure it does.

What will likely happen is we'll officially waive him and then he'll retire, so his $848,000 will be on the books next year.

Klomp wrote:

C.lupus wrote:I haven't found a clear answer but I'm pretty sure the salary still counts on the books after a player retires.

99% sure it does.

What will likely happen is we'll officially waive him and then he'll retire, so his $848,000 will be on the books next year.

I believe it counts the year following retirement, then is off the books the year following that (2 years later). I can recall reading this when Roy was contemplating retirement and POR was on the fence as what to do as far as using the amnesty clause.

From how I interpret Coon, if the Timberwolves expected Miller to honor his contract and he plain said that he'd rather retire than play it out, he would be allowed to retire without us paying him and without it counting against our cap. If the Wolves aren't willing to risk Miller actually playing for his full contract amount, their only option seems to be to pay the partially guaranteed amount.

Got the complete list from HoopsWorld (players with asterisk are eligible for Restricted FA status)
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Point Guard

Deron Williams, New Jersey Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, New Jersey Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted*
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Houston Rockets – $3.4 million – Player Option ($3.4 million)
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, L.A. Lakers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)

Shooting Guard

Eric Gordon, New Orleans Hornets – $3.8 million – Restricted ($5.1 million Qualifying Offer)
O.J. Mayo, Memphis Grizzlies – $5.6 million – Restricted ($7.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
Landry Fields, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Nick Young, L.A. Clippers – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.2 million)
Louis Williams, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Early Termination Option ($5.4 million)
J.R Smith, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – Player Option ($2.6 million)
Mickael Pietrus, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Courtney Lee, Houston Rockets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Rudy Fernandez, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeShawn Stevenson, New Jersey Nets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Damion James, New Jersey Nets – $1.2 million – Unrestricted*
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Shannon Brown, Phoenix Suns – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Utah Jazz – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Terrence Williams, Houston Rockets – $2.4 million – Unrestricted*
Jodie Meeks, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
James Anderson, San Antonio Spurs – $1.5 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Carroll, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($3.5 million)
Brandon Rush, Golden State Warriors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Alonzo Gee, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Tracy McGrady, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Jerry Stackhouse, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Willie Green, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kapono, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Sasha Pavlovic, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Cory Higgins, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Travis Leslie, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Keith Bogans, New Jersey Nets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Phoenix Suns – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward

Gerald Wallace, New Jersey Nets – $10.5 million – Player Option ($10.5 million)
Nic Batum, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Green, Boston Celtics – $4.5 million – Restricted ($7.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chase Budinger, Houston Rockets – $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Wilson Chandler, Denver Nuggets – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns – $6.5 million – Unrestricted
Sam Young, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Barnes, L.A. Lakers – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.7 million – Team Option ($7.5 million)
Anthony Tolliver, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Donte’ Greene, Sacramento Kings – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Bill Walker, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Devin Ebanks, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Dahntay Jones, Indiana Pacers – $2.7 million – Player Option ($2.9 million)
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Eduardo Najera, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Detroit Pistons – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Dominic McGuire, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wright, Golden State Warriors – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Trey Thompkins, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, New York Knicks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Toronto Raptors – $1.2 million – Unrestricted

Power Forward

Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Bass, Boston Celtics – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, L.A. Clippers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
J.J. Hickson, Sacramento Kings – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Elton Brand, Philadelphia 76ers – $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.2 million)
Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers – $15.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.0 million – Player Option ($3.1 million)
Jason Thompson, Sacramento Kings – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Marreese Speights, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
D.J. White, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Randolph, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Renaldo Balkman, New York Knicks – $1.7 million – Unrestricted
Ronny Turiaf, Denver Nuggets – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
Troy Murphy, L.A. Lakers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats – $9.0 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Boston Celtics – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Darrell Arthur, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Louis Amundson, Indiana Pacers – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
Jason Maxiell, Detroit Pistons – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.0 million)
Jordan Hill, L.A. Lakers – $2.9 million – Unrestricted*
Craig Brackins, Phildelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted*
Chris Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Caracter, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cook, Denver Nuggets – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Player Option ($1.2 million)
Luke Harangody, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Vladimir Radmanovic, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ivan Johnson, Atlanta Hawks – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Dallas Mavericks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Vernon Macklin, Detroit Pistons – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Reggie Evans, L.A. Clippers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, New Jersey Nets – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Lavoy Allen, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Lance Thomas, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*

Center

Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted

I'd love to give Tracy McGrady a shot at SG, sign KG for the veteran minimum and extend with Beasley if the price is good.
Along with these players, we should build a package around Barea, Milicic and a future pick to get a solid SG.

Torben wrote:I'd love to give Tracy McGrady a shot at SG, sign KG for the veteran minimum and extend with Beasley if the price is good.
Along with these players, we should build a package around Barea, Milicic and a future pick to get a solid SG.

I agree on KG. That would be a dream come true. Have him come back for a year or two to finish his career where it started, have him mentor the young team, take Love and D-Will under his wing.

But TMac? No way. He's been done for years.


And I don't think Barea, Darko and a pick are good enough to get an average SG let alone a solid SG. But I wish.

kmgarnett21 wrote:

Torben wrote:I'd love to give Tracy McGrady a shot at SG, sign KG for the veteran minimum and extend with Beasley if the price is good.
Along with these players, we should build a package around Barea, Milicic and a future pick to get a solid SG.

I agree on KG. That would be a dream come true. Have him come back for a year or two to finish his career where it started, have him mentor the young team, take Love and D-Will under his wing.

But TMac? No way. He's been done for years.


And I don't think Barea, Darko and a pick are good enough to get an average SG let alone a solid SG. But I wish.

Remember when McGrady and some other players protested practice? I would rather not see anyone potentially undermine Adelman especially when they don't have any talent to justify the risk.

Think the Grizzles could use a player like Barea? I was reading that they have interest in Gilbert Arenas for his scoring and playoff experience. Wonder if Kahn still has interest in Mayo and could pull off a S&T to send Barea + own pick back. Not that Mayo would be my first option, but if Batum is a lock to stay in Portland (almost certain he is), I think he could go in that direction.

I'd make a run at Gordon but wouldn't max him. Some team will though if we don't.

moss_is_1 wrote:waiving ARs hold(I doubt we would do that, Kahn still seems to like his potential),

It seems to me like a no-brainer that we'll be waiving his $7M+ cap hold and not offering him his $4M+ QO. I could see us maybe eventually offering him a deal in unrestricted free agency, but it would be a budget deal and only after we've decided we have no better use for the cap space.

moss_is_1 wrote:Who could we target with roughly $15m in caproom?

I'd trade Ridnour to a team with cap space. We don't need him and Barea.
KG 1year 7mil, Kirilenko 3years 18mil, Delonte West 2years 8mil, Cardinal vet min, and Collins for vet min.

Rubio/Barea
West/Lee/Ellington
Kirilenko/Johnson
Love/Williams/Cardinal
Pekovic/KG/Collins

We would have the best front court in the league when including back ups, one of the best benches, and top notch perimeter defense.

Watching Rockets-Clippers and man is Courtney Lee impressive. Creates his own shots, sinks some 3's, doesn't chuck shots and is great defensively. Really want us to go for him in the off-season. Would suit us nicely.

how about a couple potential value options:
OJ Mayo and Jeff Green? I'm thinking 6 - 7 mil a year to start w/ standard raises, 2 yr contracts with a player option for the 3rd year. These are 2 guys that could be making more, but probably won't b/c of circumstances. Wolves can offer them what nobody else can: starting spots and Ricky Rubio to help them reach their full potential so that in 2 years they can opt out and try to land a big contract, or the security to opt in at a decent salary that 3rd year

^^ Lee is someone who I've always thought was underrated. Good defender, athletic, good shooter and still fairly young.

I'm not sure on Jeff Green. He seems to be a tweener. He's not very good at SF or PF, seems like he may not even be a better player then Marvin Williams really.