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Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:08 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
We all know that Adelman locked him up in his doghouse and threw the keys out. So what are the realistic trade options to get something usefull for Darko's dead weight salary.
I'd try to pawn Darko to Denver for Birdman. Andersen is a good shotblocker and an ideal backup for Pek, he brings energy to the game. His temperament in the opposite of Darko. Why would Denver do it? I think they do it bacause of the salaries. Birdman is like 4.5 and 4.8 for next 2 seasons while Darko is 5 and only 1.8 guaranteed. So Denver get 3 more mil to their capspace in a year. Neither Birdman nor Darko are important pieces for them as the have enough centers on the roster.
So are there any other option that work?
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:09 pm
by phonzadellika
I love that trade.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:28 pm
by Worm Guts
Amnesty. That's the only acceptable option.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:30 pm
by Klomp
Worm Guts wrote:Amnesty. That's the only acceptable option.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:34 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
Klomp wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Amnesty. That's the only acceptable option.
Then his 11 mil contract becomes fully guaranteed. I think Taylor will make Kahn explore every opportunity before amnesty for Milicic.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:44 pm
by Worm Guts
I don't know if that's true but I don't care. It's only an extra 3 million over what we'd pay anyway, and I'd rather clear up the space and make a run at an impact free agent than take on someone like Chris Andersen.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:52 pm
by Krapinsky
Turnover_21 wrote:Klomp wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Amnesty. That's the only acceptable option.
Then his 11 mil contract becomes fully guaranteed. I think Taylor will make Kahn explore every opportunity before amnesty for Milicic.
Again with this baloney. Source please?
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:29 pm
by Klomp
Krapinsky wrote:Turnover_21 wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Amnesty. That's the only acceptable option.
Then his 11 mil contract becomes fully guaranteed. I think Taylor will make Kahn explore every opportunity before amnesty for Milicic.
Again with this baloney. Source please?
I think what he is saying is that amnestied players will be owed the entire total of their remaining contract, not just what is partially guaranteed. Darko would have $5,670,000 owed to him in the 2013-14 season, not just the $1,755,000 that is guaranteed. Regardless, it would come off the salary cap.
I think Turnover_21 is only questioning if Taylor would be willing to spend the remaining $3,915,000 that is not guaranteed.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:39 pm
by C.lupus
I think a negotiated buyout is the best and most likely option with Darko.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:41 pm
by Worm Guts
A negotiated buyout still counts against the cap. If we we're going to make a run at anybody decent in the offseason (and maybe we won't) clearing Darko's entire salary is important.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:07 pm
by C.lupus
Yeah but a $4 million buyout over two years still knocks $3 million off the cap next year and it saves Taylor about $7 million versus the amnesty option. Just seems more likely to happen to me.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:28 pm
by Worm Guts
It might be more realistic, but it's still worse.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:40 pm
by C.lupus
Sorry, I didn't word that first post very well. By "best" I was thinking best compromise but that isn't how that post came out. Obviously the best option for Darko would be amnesty so he can go home and collect $11 million. The best option for cap space is amensty as well. The best option for Taylor's pockets is a trade but nobody is going to want him. So the "best" option, considering all viewpoints, is a buyout. That's what I meant.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:45 pm
by Krapinsky
Klomp wrote:Krapinsky wrote:Turnover_21 wrote:
Then his 11 mil contract becomes fully guaranteed. I think Taylor will make Kahn explore every opportunity before amnesty for Milicic.
Again with this baloney. Source please?
I think what he is saying is that amnestied players will be owed the entire total of their remaining contract, not just what is partially guaranteed.
Darko would have $5,670,000 owed to him in the 2013-14 season, not just the $1,755,000 that is guaranteed. Regardless, it would come off the salary cap.
I think Turnover_21 is only questioning if Taylor would be willing to spend the remaining $3,915,000 that is not guaranteed.
Yeah, and I'm asking for someone to back that up, because i don't believe that's true. Both Turnover_21 and Backwards Fran have now said that.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:14 pm
by Krapinsky
Regardless of the answer, I'm an agreement with Big Worm. Buy out should not be in option. The only player worth using the amnesty card on would be Darko. It's a valuable card. A few million that we could save on a buyout should not defer Kahn/Taylor from assembling the best roster possible next season. To do that we need Darko's available cap space. We have a franchise caliber player just beginning to hit is stride. Those opportunities are few and far between.
With a team that is still below .500 the Wolves have improved attendance more than any other team. It's time for Taylor to show his appreciation and spend for the smart basketball move. If it means we have to sell are second round picks for cash, so be it.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:21 pm
by phonzadellika
Thinking beyond the cap for a minute, the reason I like the trade is because I think Birdman is a pretty reasonable backup to Pek for the money. Assuming we get rid of Darko and Miller retires, and assuming Adelman continues to despise Randolph (who might end up gone in the off-season as well) who do we have to back-up Pek at C? Tolliver? Even if we keep Randolph his QO is about what we would pay for Birdman.
If you want to argue against the trade because you don't like Birdman and you think we can get someone comparable for cheaper, I can buy that, but I'd also like to hear what you think we should do as far as having someone back-up Pek.
I want the cap-space as much as anyone but we can't be playing Tolliver at the 5 for 15 minutes a night for an entire season; we'd get killed.
Edit: Also, not convinced that anyone actually is interested in trading for Darko at this point unless we're taking a worse contract in return. I'm just a fan of trading him for a more productive back-up C if possible.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:25 pm
by Worm Guts
Our backup center is a secondary concern for me. Clear some space and make a run at Gordon or Batum or whoever. Play Love at center for a few minutes a game or sign somebody from the NBDL if you have to.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:51 pm
by phonzadellika
Axing Beas/AR/Miller/Webster/and Tolliver from the roster opens up enough cash to make a serious offer.
Not sure that Taylor will amnesty anyone yet...he seems like he might still be going cheap on this team.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:14 pm
by moss_is_1
Krapinsky wrote:Regardless of the answer, I'm an agreement with Big Worm. Buy out should not be in option. The only player worth using the amnesty card on would be Darko. It's a valuable card. A few million that we could save on a buyout should not defer Kahn/Taylor from assembling the best roster possible next season. To do that we need Darko's available cap space. We have a franchise caliber player just beginning to hit is stride. Those opportunities are few and far between.
This. We have to use the amnesty. There would be no point in not using it, and Darko is the only person that we could use it on. Brad Miller / Webster would be dumb to amnesty since they are partially guaranteed so little, and we can't use it on Barea since we signed him after the CBA.
Re: Darko trade challenge (Darko for Birdman)
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:26 pm
by C.lupus
Ideal situation would be to work out a buyout for, say $4 million, then amnesty him hoping nobody will claim him (not a huge risk), then, when he clears waivers, finalize the buyout. win-win. Don't know if that is legal, though.