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Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:06 pm
by Rondo2Hondo
I admit, I haven't watched many Timberwolves games since Rubio went down, up until then I had watched all of them, and I have been a hardcore Boston fan all my life. I did however catch the Thunder game last night.
What is up with Williams? He looks so doughy and goofy. I was high in this kid in college, but there's something about him I can't put my finger on, but it scares me. Like he might be the illegitimate son of Tim Thomas or Terry Mills.
I never call a guy a bust before the end of his 3rd season, it's just not right, but Williams just doesn't seem to have it. Al Harrington might be his ceiling. Speaking of Harrington, the 2008-09 Warriors cut Harrington loose so they could play Randolph more minutes. In both cases, if Anthony Randolph outworks you in practice and on the court, you're probably not the type of guy to keep around.
I love watching the Timberwolves, and I am kind of sick of seeing this guy put up horrid performances. I wish we could somehow put his skill set into Thomas Robinson's body with Robinson's brain, too.
How do you guys feel about this kid?
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:35 pm
by lazfa199
He has been really disappointing, but as you said its too early to call him a bust and give up on him. The best thing would have been to trade that pick but it is what it is and we have to try to make it work. I just wish last year draft class could have been this year draft class with us having the second pick again.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:43 pm
by Tirion
He's really out of shape.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:35 pm
by Little Digger
lazfa199 wrote:The best thing would have been to trade that pick.
Should have had to patience to wait on Valanciunas
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:05 pm
by jade_hippo
Wait... what exactly did DW do to show he was a bust? I'm not sure what your expectations are for a rookie who gets inconsistent burn during a season with no training camps and limited practice, but other than the strictly ISO scorer rookies, I expected little from this whole class. He's top 10 in scoring and rebounding among rookies and only plays 20min. Can you please explain the out of shape thing? I haven't caught that at all.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:13 pm
by Klomp
jade_hippo wrote:Wait... what exactly did DW do to show he was a bust? I'm not sure what your expectations are for a rookie who gets inconsistent burn during a season with no training camps and limited practice, but other than the strictly ISO scorer rookies, I expected little from this whole class. He's top 10 in scoring and rebounding among rookies and only plays 20min. Can you please explain the out of shape thing? I haven't caught that at all.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:51 pm
by Stebo_SSK
How is he a bust? He is playing on team where they are still trying to find roles for certain players. They dont have a true SG, they dont know who they want to play full time at SF and we know that DWill is a PF/SF hybrid. The times I did catch a Twolves game he looked good in high transitiong games.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:57 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
hopefully he has a year 1 to year 2 progression like he did in college. We've at least seen a smattering of good games, so the skills are there.
Another theory is that Kevin Love continues to inexplicably improve each year as our rookies somehow get worse from day 1...it's highly probable that he has some sort of mutant absorbing ability and we need to continue to feed him increases in power with fresh lottery picks. We'll be able to test the theory next year as we won't have a lotto pick; if Love doesn't improve or gets worse, then we might need to bring in Senator Kelly to stop the mutant madness. Pekovic is a little suspicious too...
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:16 pm
by marty264
Devilzsidewalk wrote:hopefully he has a year 1 to year 2 progression like he did in college. We've at least seen a smattering of good games, so the skills are there.
Another theory is that Kevin Love continues to inexplicably improve each year as our rookies somehow get worse from day 1...it's highly probable that he has some sort of mutant absorbing ability and we need to continue to feed him increases in power with fresh lottery picks. We'll be able to test the theory next year as we won't have a lotto pick; if Love doesn't improve or gets worse, then we might need to bring in Senator Kelly to stop the mutant madness. Pekovic is a little suspicious too...
This just made my day.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:32 pm
by Calinks
Devilzsidewalk wrote:hopefully he has a year 1 to year 2 progression like he did in college. We've at least seen a smattering of good games, so the skills are there.
Another theory is that Kevin Love continues to inexplicably improve each year as our rookies somehow get worse from day 1...it's highly probable that he has some sort of mutant absorbing ability and we need to continue to feed him increases in power with fresh lottery picks. We'll be able to test the theory next year as we won't have a lotto pick; if Love doesn't improve or gets worse, then we might need to bring in Senator Kelly to stop the mutant madness. Pekovic is a little suspicious too...
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:14 pm
by Narf
I foresee an off season thread comparing Wolves players to mutants
JJ Barea as Toad?
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:32 am
by LBCsun49
would you trade derrick williams to the hornets for Ariza and there 2nd lotto 2012 1st round pick?
this would give you Ariza for SF and Jeremy Lamb as a possible draft or Austin Rivers for the hornets pick
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:40 am
by LordBaldric
LBCsun49 wrote:would you trade derrick williams to the hornets for Ariza and there 2nd lotto 2012 1st round pick?
this would give you Ariza for SF and Jeremy Lamb as a possible draft or Austin Rivers for the hornets pick
I would.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:53 am
by touchedbyPek
It's risky, but I would probably do it too. The pick could turn out to be something special, or we could package the pick and other assets to maybe move up even further. Derrick doesn't fit the squad here. He will never get enough minutes behind Love. Unless he goes more for being a SF, he just doesn't fit here. But I do believe he will be a solid starter in this league, averaging 17/8 maybe? But that's as a PF.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:00 am
by Calinks
Williams has been a let down but keep in mind. No training camp, few practices. Basketball players are made in the off-season. If a deal comes along that look great, pull the trigger. Otherwise, let's see what kind of player he is next season.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:12 am
by AQuintus
LBCsun49 wrote:would you trade derrick williams to the hornets for Ariza and there 2nd lotto 2012 1st round pick?
this would give you Ariza for SF and Jeremy Lamb as a possible draft or Austin Rivers for the hornets pick
Ariza's contract and our pick (the 10th or so)? Hell no.
Ariza's contract and New Orleans pick (3rd right now)? Sure.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:12 pm
by Klomp
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_9IrKLrY0[/youtube]
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:50 pm
by Krapinsky
AQuintus wrote:LBCsun49 wrote:would you trade derrick williams to the hornets for Ariza and there 2nd lotto 2012 1st round pick?
this would give you Ariza for SF and Jeremy Lamb as a possible draft or Austin Rivers for the hornets pick
Ariza's contract and our pick (the 10th or so)? Hell no.
Ariza's contract and New Orleans pick (3rd right now)? Sure.
I'd consider that if they took Darko back. I don't know that I'd take Lamb with that pick though.
I'd try to package our picks and get Beal, Barnes, or MKG. I'd take Rivers over Lamb. He's too laid back for my liking.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:00 pm
by Grits n Gravy
nice video
i really hope he studies the game a bit during the off season and comes back with the mentality to go in then out. i really think he settles far to often for long jumpers he could get in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. if he could come back with some seblance of a post game - just a jump hook and a counter move it would take his offensive game to another level. he's already outstanding at getting the initial blow by of his man at the mid range/mid post but need to improve his decision making and skill level after the blow by. improving as kev has at that mid post tim duncanesque would make him pretty much unguardable for opposing 4's. it's been a pretty rough year for DW but the tools are obvious. if he can add a few more pieces to his game and more importantly increase his understanding level he should be good.
Re: Derrick Williams - what's goin' on?
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:37 pm
by AQuintus
Krapinsky wrote:I'd try to package our picks and get Beal, Barnes, or MKG. I'd take Rivers over Lamb. He's too laid back for my liking.
Honestly, I'm not even sure if I'd take Barnes with the Utah pick.