old school 34 wrote:
Jedzz...I can see both sides on the rights of the 2-way guys after their first deal. I tend to think that if you don't incentivise the teams to develop these types by giving them some rfa controls...less teams will even use this as an option, maybe? It will be interesting how it evolves...JMac is really the first guy that's really gone down this path...in an attempt to skip that typical next contract for the 2-way success stories...interested to see how if it changes....but can't agree that:
1. Wolves did anything wrong here...most teams would've offered the same deal...remember, the 2-way contract still was his choice....you can say both offers sucked...but he did choose this path.
2. Can't agree with the choice of using the word....slavery. You can argue all you want about definitions, myself personally that's just is a word reserved for something way worse & just becomes to casual & wreckless to be in some way making that comp.
Last point though....specific to your point about him not being tradeable....could he not be traded technically in a sign & trade deal still ultimately? We can convert him @ any point, have an open roster spot....never seen something exactly like this...but in theory...I think it could be done if so desired, I think (maybe in sign & trade deal...do both teams become hard capped)?
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I'll work backwards on this post a bit while our Wolves are sucking again against Portland atm.
Your last point, Actually paying him leads creedence to his actual talent. This league is so shallow. Placing him on Twoway for second season in a row just robs him of the respect he deserved for what he showed last season. Nobody takes notice around the league, his own coach doesn't even respect him. Everyone knows minutes come with Money in this league. He only played last year because of significant injury. But his play proved more worthy. That whole entire idea that they could use this situation to keep yet another guard on this team this cheaply while it leaving another roster spot open for...WHO...is just a joke. This is typical wizbang Timberwolves "I win benig a crafty GM" garbage. Why? Because it was useless to do it with another guard given the roster. He also becomes a valueless player in trades for matching reasons and it betrays his playing value at the same time, he's not an asset now.
2. I'll disagree. You can use the exploitation term that urinestain used if that works better for you. I don't really care. But it is just wrong.
1. Wolves never do anything wrong, I know. Many, many examples already in the short lifespan of the Two Way deals option of players earning a REAL nba deal starting off Two Way entrance. Doesn't matter if it's a large or small deal, but this should be the entire point of having this option. To find usable talent you keep and turn into real players. The point absolutely should not be
to have a slave class of cheaper yet players that POBO/GMs can exploit like fodder repeatedly each year. Since it costs the team virtually nothing to do so, they can keep giving two new players a shot each season at minutes in the big league. This gives them a great chance to see if they can play at this level or not. If they can't, you move on. What Rosas is doing with him is straight up wrong.
They don't need to "develop" players with two way deals. They can actually do that letting the players stay in the Gleague. Just try for a second understanding that. Allowing them to RFA a gleague player they've already tested with a Two Way is creating longer term slave class. To call it anything else is looking the other way and it's wrong. Players in the Gleague without a real NBA deal or two way in place should be accessible by any team willing to test them on their roster. For a comparison, the NFL employs ways to allow this type of thing while also helping to make sure a player found by team X and placed in practice squad isn't stolen from another team just to be placed on their practice squad and slaved there. If Team Y nabs your practice squad player they must place them on their real team roster, but they can. The player this way has an avenue available to him to earn a real roster spot somewhere. But if Rosas can RFA such a player for multiple years, that player has no ability to improve his station.