Trade Ideas thread

[Klomp]

Just because we're past the deadline for this season doesn't mean we can't discuss ideas for this offseason and beyond. Talks of trades are starting to heat up in various threads, so might as well have one dedicated place.

[drummerdevil]

Don't know how reliable ESPN's Trade Machine is. I was using it to find trades. I take it it's not too successful, as I got a perfect trade for us that stinks for the Knicks. However, here is what I got.
T'Wolves give up: Pekovic, Dunn, Dieng
Knicks give up: Derrick Rose, Kristaps Porzingis, Marshall Plumlee.
Do you see why this software sucks? I do. Anyway...

Here is why I think this is a good trade.
Derrick Rose: Obviously, we have a fine point guard already in Ricky Rubio. So I probably see him getting traded, ideally for picks or maybe a veteran. Who knows? Give me your ideas.
Kristaps Porzingis: When I look at our roster (with, of course, Zach Lavine back) the only real hole I see is at the Power Forward position. If we get Kristaps Porzingis, we get a power forward who can stretch defenses with KAT and really, can just be a great all around player.
Marshall Plumlee: you might not see the wonders of a Plumlee, but hear me out. What Marshall does during a game is talks from the bench. He sees the little things, and he tells players what they should be doing. He talks the defense through things, even when he isn't playing.

Anyway, just my poor $.02. Feel free to roast me and tell me what I'm missing. I'm always looking to learn.

[karch34]

The idea is great, but Porzingis is the Knicks franchise player (at least for the future) so while there's always a possibility of a trade the Knicks would be looking for a ransom. Dunn, Dieng, and cap space won't get it done. There's nothing in the trade machine that looks at plausibility of a trade, but it does well on the financials part.

[Grits n Gravy]

Don't know how reliable ESPN's Trade Machine is. I was using it to find trades. I take it it's not too successful, as I got a perfect trade for us that stinks for the Knicks. However, here is what I got.
T'Wolves give up: Pekovic, Dunn, Dieng
Knicks give up: Derrick Rose, Kristaps Porzingis, Marshall Plumlee.
Do you see why this software sucks? I do. Anyway...

Here is why I think this is a good trade.
Derrick Rose: Obviously, we have a fine point guard already in Ricky Rubio. So I probably see him getting traded, ideally for picks or maybe a veteran. Who knows? Give me your ideas.
Kristaps Porzingis: When I look at our roster (with, of course, Zach Lavine back) the only real hole I see is at the Power Forward position. If we get Kristaps Porzingis, we get a power forward who can stretch defenses with KAT and really, can just be a great all around player.
Marshall Plumlee: you might not see the wonders of a Plumlee, but hear me out. What Marshall does during a game is talks from the bench. He sees the little things, and he tells players what they should be doing. He talks the defense through things, even when he isn't playing.

Anyway, just my poor $.02. Feel free to roast me and tell me what I'm missing. I'm always looking to learn.

Welcome mate - first post. The trade machine simply tells you if a trade will work financially under the CBA and takes into account players salaries, team cap space and roster spots etc. Porzingis is as untouchable as any player in the league and would not be traded for anyone but a handful of players.

[Grits n Gravy]

I wonder how cheap we might be able to get Derrick Favors in the off season, especially so if Gordon Hayward leaves in free agency. He only has next year left of his contract and has had a major step back year after realizing they pretty much can't play Gobert and him together - Utah seems like they will be very willing to part with him. He'd be a great complement to KAT upfront imo and would take some of the defensive pressure and tougher assignments away from him. Is an extend and trade legal under the CBA?

[Klomp]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

[Mattya]

I wonder how cheap we might be able to get Derrick Favors in the off season, especially so if Gordon Hayward leaves in free agency. He only has next year left of his contract and has had a major step back year after realizing they pretty much can't play Gobert and him together - Utah seems like they will be very willing to part with him. He'd be a great complement to KAT upfront imo and would take some of the defensive pressure and tougher assignments away from him. Is an extend and trade legal under the CBA?

I don't know about Derrick Favors. His injuries and play this season hasn't been up to par for him. So unless the Wolves are parting with expendable assets, then I'm not really interested. The price to keep him probably isn't ideal either.

[Mattya]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

Everything I have seen from Wolves writers is that Thibs is a believer in Wiggins. I'm doubting a single season is coaching Wiggins, in which there have been stretches when Thibs has said there has been improvement in his defense, is going to make Thibs trade Wiggins for Butler. I could see Thibs still trading Rubio if he can get him assets to combine with the Wolves pick to try to get Butler. Not that I would do that either.

[Streakers33]

Wait wait.. if even the slightest idea that gordan Hayward is leaving Utah and it's not to come here with a max deal, than we failed.. he be perfect to flex as a 2/3 with Wiggins and get lavine into that sixth man.. so if u targeted favors because Hayward is leaving.. u better be targeting Hayward first.. and this would prove to towns and Wiggins that winning is on the table.. no go get him.. plus u weaken a divisional opponent , which is very very forgotten about in discussions..


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[theGreatRC]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

We say no. Wiggins is 22. He hasn't even scratched the surface and he's one of the best scorers in the game already. Problem is his consistency. Not to mention we get Wiggins much longer than Butler. Jimmy can leave after this contract is up, with Wigg we have at least another 5+ years

I still think he's going to be an all-star and a great complement to KAT personality wise and being able to defer to KAT when he has it going.

I don't know who we should trade for, but IMO this should be the list of players on our team that we should keep or trade:

Untouchables:
KAT

Keep, but willing to be moved for a GREAT piece:
Wiggins
Rubio
Zach
Belly (I feel like his value is low around the league, but he was starting to play well in Thib's system til he got hurt)
Our 1st round pick

Explore trades, but keep if the deals are low ball offers:
Gorgui
Dunn
Tyus


Trade:
Cole
Whoever we have on the team beyond this year that hasn't been named yet.

I'd let Bazz go if say a team like the Nets gives him 15M+ per season

[bringWallyBack]

My idea is Butler as well.

If the Twolves are able to get a top 5 pick I would want them to temp Chicago for a straight Butler for pick trade.

I believe the core we have is almost developed and next season is the season we finally make the playoffs and adding a player of Butler caliber would make us a much more dangerous team instead of trying to develop whoever we would draft.. If it were to happen then we can make Lavine come off the bench. In addition go for a better power forward than Dieng and have a core Lavine, Dunn and Dieng coming off the bench which would just as dangerous as the starting squad of Kat, Butler, Wiggins and Rubio, especially if he continues playing the same way as he has lately. Finally, if we are able to make this pipe dream happen then we can play the starting 5 anywhere from 25 to 30 minutes a game and the second squad around 20 to 25 minutes.

For Chicago, we can sell the idea of starting over and with the draft class being this hyped and talented then the process can go faster with a player like Ball or Jackson.


Edit: I forgot we still have Jones. We can add him to the pick or Dunn to entice a little more.

[rugbyrugger23]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

Wiggins for Porzingis. Wolves can also absorb a bad contract for value (may have to be Noah--with a Aldrich swap involved).

C: Towns/Dieng/Noah or Aldrich
F: Porzingis/Bjelica
F: 2017 1st/Bazz or ideally a 3D wing (vet)
G: LaVine/Dunn
G: Rubio/Dunn/Jones

[Merc_Porto]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

Wiggins for Porzingis. Wolves can also absorb a bad contract for value (may have to be Noah--with a Aldrich swap involved).

C: Towns/Dieng/Noah or Aldrich
F: Porzingis/Bjelica
F: 2017 1st/Bazz or ideally a 3D wing (vet)
G: LaVine/Dunn
G: Rubio/Dunn/Jones

You can add all bad contracts from New York and still is a Hell No from New York, come on man.

[rugbyrugger23]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

Wiggins for Porzingis. Wolves can also absorb a bad contract for value (may have to be Noah--with a Aldrich swap involved).

C: Towns/Dieng/Noah or Aldrich
F: Porzingis/Bjelica
F: 2017 1st/Bazz or ideally a 3D wing (vet)
G: LaVine/Dunn
G: Rubio/Dunn/Jones

You can add all bad contracts from New York and still is a Hell No from New York, come on man.

You really think the delta between Wiggins and Porzingis is that vast?

[shrink]

. Porzingis is as untouchable as any player in the league and would not be traded for anyone but a handful of players.

I agree, and he is one of those guys that have more value to the home team, and would require an overpay. When you look for trade targets, a team's best young prospect is generally too expensive to trade for, because his original team is selling season tickets, and often hope, based on that guy. Porzingas for us is just another young star - for NYK, he is their only young star.

I think players like this to avoid would be: Porzingas, Aaron Gordon, Ben SImmons, Giannis, Jokic, etc.

Guys we should look at are ones that have relatively less value to their own team. Perhaps there are personality or roster conflicts, or perhaps the team is going in a different direction. Perhaps they can't afford them. Those are the types of players where we will get the most value back for the players we trade.

[shrink]

Wiggins for Butler: who says no?

I know the general feeling is that Wiggins is untouchable, but I wonder if Thibs is starting to get fed up with his defense. He's started to make vague comments about it, so at what point does he say enough is enough?

Butler is a great target to consider. The hard part is being comfident we could convince him to sign an extension in the next 23 months. Will we be a consistent contender by then, if he is on the team? If not, the new CBA Rules would suggest we go with Wiggins, because it will be easier to lock him up longterm again and again. He's a good candidate to talk about.

[Klomp]

The reason I brought up Wiggins in a potential Butler deal is that we need to be building the depth on this team, not depleting it. That'd be my concern if discussing something with LaVine/PG/pick

[shrink]

I wonder how cheap we might be able to get Derrick Favors in the off season, especially so if Gordon Hayward leaves in free agency. He only has next year left of his contract and has had a major step back year after realizing they pretty much can't play Gobert and him together - Utah seems like they will be very willing to part with him. He'd be a great complement to KAT upfront imo and would take some of the defensive pressure and tougher assignments away from him. Is an extend and trade legal under the CBA?

Derrick Favors is a guy I'm keeping a close eye on too. Before his injuries, Favors was a very good defender, and decent offensive player with good potential for a little more growth. If he was 100%, i think our team would dramtically improve with him starting next to KAT, and Dieng as our third big.

But what makes Favors even more enticing for me is the finacial leverage we have. Utah is a small-market team who has a lot of good players, and they all need to be paid on the next two years. Gobert got his near max deal, and they hope to re-sign UFA Hayward for $35 mil max. They need UFA George Hill, who turned down a $90 mil three year extension. Favors needs to get paid in 2018 and Rodney Hood will be due, and they have many other good players. They can't afford them all.

MIN has the opposite situation. They have nearly $35 mil in cap space this year that is "use it or lose it" before they need to pay extensions for Wiggins and LaVine next summer. There aren't many great candidates for our starting PF or SF positions in free agency that would be likely to sign (though I'll happily offer Hayward the max, but I doubt he takes it). If Utah is able to keep Hayward, and maybe even Hill, they will know they can't afford to keep Favors. Moreover, we can use our cap space to renegotiate his deal, to maybe give him a little more up front while we have the money.

He's risky because of injuries, but his upside is enticing, and we may have a motivated seller. I would imagine they would want cap space, but median contract guys like Dieng or Rubio might be appealing to them as well. The Jazz will be fascinating this summer, and I hope MIN can benefit.

[Merc_Porto]

I say, make a big move for Paul George or Jimmy Butler.
This guys want win above all and there is no way they are going to leave Minnesota or any team if they see potencial to grow. They are both "stuck" in Indiana and Chicago with those rosters.

Make the pick available on draft night.

And with Butler, i would rather deal Wiggins along with the pick.
With PG, i would rather move Lavine along with the pick and most likely something else.

Rubio
Lavine
Butler

Or

Rubio
Wiggins
PG

[Grits n Gravy]

I say, make a big move for Paul George or Jimmy Butler.
This guys want win above all and there is no way they are going to leave Minnesota or any team if they see potencial to grow. They are both "stuck" in Indiana and Chicago with those rosters.

Make the pick available on draft night.

And with Butler, i would rather deal Wiggins along with the pick.
With PG, i would rather move Lavine along with the pick and most likely something else.

Rubio
Lavine
Butler

Or

Rubio
Wiggins
PG

I'd pass on both personally, especially Paul George unless there was an extension agreed to upon trading(player option after next year). I say keep the core 4 and work pieces around them.