Trade Ideas thread

[andyhop]

Hypothetical question......

What would Chicago need to add for you to be okay with a Ricky Rubio for Rajon Rondo swap?

A Butler for Lavine swap

Then see if you can interest someone like the Knicks who value bad point guards with name recognition to take him on

[shrink]

I think only $3 mil of Rondo's $13.7 mil next year is guaranteed. Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf has some history of hating to waste money buying out players, so we may be able to get some trade value, but at this point, it's not an expensive buy out for either team.

I actually andyhop is right - the asset that CHI has that is interesting is only Butler. Taj is gone (and a free agent), Mirotic has been bad despite every opportunity (and is a free agent), Portis has been bad (until the playoffs), Feliciano, Canaan, Zipser are a lottle intrigueing, but do we need more youth? Unfortunately, if the Bulls were trading Jimmy, they would be looking for win-later players, not Rubio.

[Krapinsky]

If Chicago gets out of the first round I wonder if they will go the other way and try to add another player to their veteran core by trading their first rounder.

[C.lupus]

Hypothetical question......

What would Chicago need to add for you to be okay with a Ricky Rubio for Rajon Rondo swap?

Significantly more than they would add.

[C.lupus]

I think only $3 mil of Rondo's $13.7 mil next year is guaranteed. Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf has some history of hating to waste money buying out players, so we may be able to get some trade value, but at this point, it's not an expensive buy out for either team.

I actually andyhop is right - the asset that CHI has that is interesting is only Butler. Taj is gone (and a free agent), Mirotic has been bad despite every opportunity (and is a free agent), Portis has been bad (until the playoffs), Feliciano, Canaan, Zipser are a lottle intrigueing, but do we need more youth? Unfortunately, if the Bulls were trading Jimmy, they would be looking for win-later players, not Rubio.

Butler and Lopez are the only two I'm interested in, maybe Portis and Valentine but they seem more like lateral move type players. I think the odds of Thibs and GarPax doing a deal are pretty slim anyway.

[Klomp]

I'll be honest, when I initially posed that question I forgot Mirotic was a FA. Had thought about something like the pick and him, plus Rondo.

There probably isn't a good fit.

[shrink]

I would not do Rondo and #16 for Rubio at this point, unless we had some sort of three way trade lined up. I think Rubio is important to us winning next year, and we really don't need either the pick, or the extra cap space. Other teams can really use that package though, so it's not impossible if CHI gets past the first round and wants to try to win next year.

As much as I love what Rubio brings to this team and don't want to see him traded, I have to admit that that's not a horrible price, considering the league is filling up with starting point guards. I'm not sure what teams would trade vet help for that. I'd hate losing Rubio though.

[Krapinsky]

I would not do Rondo and #16 for Rubio at this point, unless we had some sort of three way trade lined up. I think Rubio is important to us winning next year, and we really don't need either the pick, or the extra cap space. Other teams can really use that package though, so it's not impossible if CHI gets past the first round and wants to try to win next year.

As much as I love what Rubio brings to this team and don't want to see him traded, I have to admit that that's not a horrible price, considering the league is filling up with starting point guards. I'm not sure what teams would trade vet help for that. I'd hate losing Rubio though.

I think you may have stumbled into something there, Shrink. I am also for keeping Rubio, but *If* the Wolves were to grab Smith or Fox in the draft then this would be a logical Rubio trade I could halfheartedly support.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If the Celtics lose in the 1st round, I wonder if they have a fire sale and build around fultz or ball.

I'd see if we can snag horford for space and maybe dieng ( if that's possible). Kat needs another grounded mentor in his life to fill the void left by kg. Horford and Kat have history.

He's also a couple years younger than Millsap.

[minimus]

If the Celtics lose in the 1st round, I wonder if they have a fire sale and build around fultz or ball.

I'd see if we can snag horford for space and maybe dieng ( if that's possible). Kat needs another grounded mentor in his life to fill the void left by kg. Horford and Kat have history.

He's also a couple years younger than Millsap.

Horford inability to rebound hurts BOS, but I doubt that BOS will start firesale with Horford, but if they want to, I'd offer package with Dieng, Dunn and our pick immediately. Horford and KAT will be very good combination of talent and experience.

[Krapinsky]

Hypothetical question......

What would Chicago need to add for you to be okay with a Ricky Rubio for Rajon Rondo swap?

Significantly more than they would add.

If we drafted Smith or Fox (or landed a top 3 pick and got Ball or Fultz), then I'd be resigned to the fact that Rubio should be traded sooner than later (if anything, for Rubio's own sanity) and I think expiring Rondo + 16 is just about as good of a deal as we could expect since it gives us an asset and a vet point guard to ease the transition.

[Mattya]

If the Celtics lose in the 1st round, I wonder if they have a fire sale and build around fultz or ball.

I'd see if we can snag horford for space and maybe dieng ( if that's possible). Kat needs another grounded mentor in his life to fill the void left by kg. Horford and Kat have history.

He's also a couple years younger than Millsap.

Horford inability to rebound hurts BOS, but I doubt that BOS will start firesale with Horford, but if they want to, I'd offer package with Dieng, Dunn and our pick immediately. Horford and KAT will be very good combination of talent and experience.

That is awful.

[Killboard]

If the Celtics lose in the 1st round, I wonder if they have a fire sale and build around fultz or ball.

I'd see if we can snag horford for space and maybe dieng ( if that's possible). Kat needs another grounded mentor in his life to fill the void left by kg. Horford and Kat have history.

He's also a couple years younger than Millsap.

Horford inability to rebound hurts BOS, but I doubt that BOS will start firesale with Horford, but if they want to, I'd offer package with Dieng, Dunn and our pick immediately. Horford and KAT will be very good combination of talent and experience.

That is awful.

He is pretty good, but his contract isnt. 28M a year and let us with the same problems against mobile PF's since him and Kat are better suited to play C's.

[Mattya]

Horford inability to rebound hurts BOS, but I doubt that BOS will start firesale with Horford, but if they want to, I'd offer package with Dieng, Dunn and our pick immediately. Horford and KAT will be very good combination of talent and experience.

That is awful.

He is pretty good, but his contract isnt. 28M a year and let us with the same problems against mobile PF's since him and Kat are better suited to play C's.

He is good, but he is not worth our pick, Dunn, and Dieng.

[shrink]

Hypothetical question......

What would Chicago need to add for you to be okay with a Ricky Rubio for Rajon Rondo swap?

If we drafted Smith or Fox (or landed a top 3 pick and got Ball or Fultz), then I'd be resigned to the fact that Rubio should be traded sooner than later (if anything, for Rubio's own sanity) and I think expiring Rondo + 16 is just about as good of a deal as we could expect since it gives us an asset and a vet point guard to ease the transition.

I agree that the price is reasonable for us, and if CHI knocks out Boston, they may be interested in a more win-now approach, if they can add some shooting. Garpax was willing to get a mediocre scorer in Rondo, so maybe Rubio wouldn't look awful to them, especially since he doesn't have Rondo's personal baggage.

For us, I would consider simply waiving Rondo too, to get he cap space, and sign a cheaper, one year vet PG to help our rookie transition.

Lastly, it is a very real scenario that we come out of the next NBA draft with a point guard, who has star potential. If a team cam grab a potential star, you do it, and worry about fit later - and this would be especially true for the Wolves, where this would hopfully be their last lottery pick in a while. But fit is a real concern, since we have 3 NBA point guards on the team right now. At least 1-2 would have to go, and that's not an easy decision.

1. Trading Rubio would create the largest drag for our win now team. Not only is he easily the best point guard of the four, the young stars call him the team leader. They have learned to expect the ball in great situations, in places where only Rubio can see. His low attempts (but not "no attempts!") give them more reps. Losing Rubio hurts their development, and the chances for team success.

2. Trading Dunn is problematic from a value standpoint, where we bought high and must sell low. I believe it takes point guards a few years to develop, but other teams aren't going to give that much credence in their trade offers. Moreover, Dunn's defense is something the team can use, especially when he is paired with LaVine or Tyus. We may have to reevaluate his ceiling, but his floor is still an nba player.

3. Trading Tyus is easiest, but not without it's pitfalls. He is young. He is cheap. He is popular with ticket-buying fans. He can run an offense. He makes clutch plays. He is exactly the type of back-up PG that helps the roster. We just have other options that need minutes, and his limited minutes on a poor minnesota team would lead for lower trade offers than he deserves.

4. Trading Fultz, Ball, Smith or Fox would get us back full trade value, but you should never trade away a potential star without a long look. Stars are too rare, and too valuable.

It seems to me that the two most likely guys to be trade would be Tyus and Dunn, and we will get pennies on the dollar for both. Unfortunately, if they stay here and never see any game time, we won't see their trade value increase..

[GopherIt!]

If Thibs drafts a pg, Rubes will want out.

[Biggsohnasty]

If Thibs drafts a pg, Rubes will want out.

Eh he probably already wants out. He'd live

[Killboard]

If Thibs drafts a pg, Rubes will want out.

Eh he probably already wants out. He'd live

Sure, thats probably why he had a career second half of season.

[karch34]

I know this is the forum where ideas are largely unrealistic but dang the amount of times I see people post on guys like Porzingis, Butler and Crowder makes me cringe. Those guys aren't getting traded. They just aren't. Butler might get dealt - but the Bulls won't trade with Thibs. Crowder will only get traded if it yields a Butler type needle-mover.

I agree Porzingis is highly unlikely, but he doesn't appear to be happy so there's a possibility. I don't see us having the pieces to do it, even though I have no idea what the Knicks are doing for the last 20 years, but I wouldn't count it out.

Butler to us isn't likely either due to Thibs, but barring a significant run I think Chicago blows things up.

I don't see Crowder in the same category as the other two though. Boston would move him for a difference maker, but he'd be the veteran/contract piece of a deal and not the main guy.

[rugbyrugger23]

To Magic: #6 + Booker

To Nets: Dunn + Aldrich

To Wolves: Gordon + Hezonja + RHJ + #22

Wolves get Gordon next to Towns. Debated plenty here.

Thibs gets a defensive specialist in RHJ who can start or come off bench (depending on LaVine and Wiggins situation).

Take flyer Hezonja can take over in Bazz off bench role and what #22 can become--probably a defensive C/PF type.

C: Towns | Dieng | #22
F: Gordon | Dieng | Bjelica
F: Wiggins | RHJ | Hezonja
G: LaVine | Wiggins | Hezonja
G: Rubio | Jones | Vet PG

OR

C: Towns | Dieng | #22
F: Gordon | Dieng | Bjelica
F: RHJ | Wiggins | Hezonja
G: Wiggins | LaVine | Hezonja
G: Rubio | Jones | Vet PG