Available Options to Ricky

[Jammer]

If the rumors about Ricky Rubio being available are true, there are 4 "affordable" options since Ricky's 14.25 Million salary would be added to the Wolves 11.6 million of cap space (stlll leaves room for qualifying offer to Shabazz Muhammad and $4.328 Room MLE).

Jeff Teague 6/10/1988 (29) 6' 0.25" without shoes
82 games 32.4 mpg 15.3 ppg on 11.1 shots
4 rpg
7.8 apg
1.23 steals
2.6 turnovers
2 fouls
35.7% three's
47.5% two's
87% Free Throws

George Hill 5/14/1986 (31) 6' 1.25" without shoes
49 games 31.5 mpg 16.9 ppg on 12.4 shots
3.4 rpg
4.2 apg
1.02 steals
1.7 turnovers
2.3 fouls
40.3% three's
52.3% two's
80% Free Throws

Jrue Holiday 6/12/1990 6' 3.25" without shoes (wants team to sign his brother (for minimum, I guess) at SG)
67 games 32.7 mpg 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots
3.9 rpg
7.3 apg
1.4 steals
2.9 turnovers
2 fouls
35.6% three's
49.8% two's
71% Free Throws

Ricky Rubio 10/21/1990 (will be 27 in October) No Official Measurement. Listed at 6' 4"
75 games 32.9 mpg 11.1 ppg on 8.7 shots
4.1 rpg
9.1 apg
1.71 steals
2.6 turnovers
2.7 fouls
30.6% three's
44.3% two's
89% Free Throws

Derrick Rose 10/4/1988 (will be 29 in October with 4 Knee Surgeries) 6' 1.5" without shoes
64 games (one was AWOL to visit family after he was benched) 32.5 mpg 18 ppg on 15.3 shots
3.8 rpg
4.4 apg
0.69 steals
2.3 turnovers
1.3 fouls
21.7% threes
48.7% two's
87% Free Throws

The One guy I don't want is Rose. Besides his surgical history, he's a high volume shooter who only passes when he's smothered.

But Teague, Hill or Holiday would in fact be upgrades if any of them would sign with the Wolves.

Teague has the same agent as Rubio and rookie Justin Patton.

[Ethomasp31]

If the rumors about Ricky Rubio being available are true, there are 4 "affordable" options since Ricky's 14.25 Million salary would be added to the Wolves 11.6 million of cap space (stlll leaves room for qualifying offer to Shabazz Muhammad and $4.8 Room MLE).

Jeff Teague 6/10/1988 (29) 6' 0.25" without shoes
82 games 32.4 mpg 15.3 ppg on 11.1 shots
4 rpg
7.8 apg
1.23 steals
2.6 turnovers
2 fouls
35.7% three's
47.5% two's
87% Free Throws

George Hill 5/14/1986 (31) 6' 1.25" without shoes
49 games 31.5 mpg 16.9 ppg on 12.4 shots
3.4 rpg
4.2 apg
1.02 steals
1.7 turnovers
2.3 fouls
40.3% three's
52.3% two's
80% Free Throws

Jrue Holiday 6/12/1990 6' 3.25" without shoes (wants team to sign his brother (for minimum, I guess) at SG)
67 games 32.7 mpg 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots
3.9 rpg
7.3 apg
1.4 steals
2.9 turnovers
2 fouls
35.6% three's
49.8% two's
71% Free Throws

Ricky Rubio 10/21/1990 (will be 27 in October) No Official Measurement. Listed at 6' 4"
75 games 32.9 mpg 11.1 ppg on 8.7 shots
4.1 rpg
9.1 apg
1.71 steals
2.6 turnovers
2.7 fouls
30.6% three's
44.3$ two's
89% Free Throws

Derrick Rose 10/4/1988 (will be 29 in October with 4 Knee Surgeries) 6' 1.5" without shoes
64 games (one was AWOL to visit family after he was benched) 32.5 mpg 18 ppg on 15.3 shots
3.8 rpg
4.4 apg
0.69 steals
2.3 turnovers
1.3 fouls
21.7% threes
48.7% two's
87% Free Throws

The One guy I don't want is Rose. Besides his surgical history, he's a high volume shooter who only passes when he's smothered.

But Teague, Hill or Holiday would in fact be upgrades if any of them would sign with the Wolves.

Teague has the same agent as Rubio and rookie Justin Patton.

I don't think any of those guys are upgrades to Ricky Rubio. At best they may be equivalent to Rubio.

[TheDominator273]

If the rumors about Ricky Rubio being available are true, there are 4 "affordable" options since Ricky's 14.25 Million salary would be added to the Wolves 11.6 million of cap space (stlll leaves room for qualifying offer to Shabazz Muhammad and $4.8 Room MLE).

Jeff Teague 6/10/1988 (29) 6' 0.25" without shoes
82 games 32.4 mpg 15.3 ppg on 11.1 shots
4 rpg
7.8 apg
1.23 steals
2.6 turnovers
2 fouls
35.7% three's
47.5% two's
87% Free Throws

George Hill 5/14/1986 (31) 6' 1.25" without shoes
49 games 31.5 mpg 16.9 ppg on 12.4 shots
3.4 rpg
4.2 apg
1.02 steals
1.7 turnovers
2.3 fouls
40.3% three's
52.3% two's
80% Free Throws

Jrue Holiday 6/12/1990 6' 3.25" without shoes (wants team to sign his brother (for minimum, I guess) at SG)
67 games 32.7 mpg 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots
3.9 rpg
7.3 apg
1.4 steals
2.9 turnovers
2 fouls
35.6% three's
49.8% two's
71% Free Throws

Ricky Rubio 10/21/1990 (will be 27 in October) No Official Measurement. Listed at 6' 4"
75 games 32.9 mpg 11.1 ppg on 8.7 shots
4.1 rpg
9.1 apg
1.71 steals
2.6 turnovers
2.7 fouls
30.6% three's
44.3$ two's
89% Free Throws

Derrick Rose 10/4/1988 (will be 29 in October with 4 Knee Surgeries) 6' 1.5" without shoes
64 games (one was AWOL to visit family after he was benched) 32.5 mpg 18 ppg on 15.3 shots
3.8 rpg
4.4 apg
0.69 steals
2.3 turnovers
1.3 fouls
21.7% threes
48.7% two's
87% Free Throws

The One guy I don't want is Rose. Besides his surgical history, he's a high volume shooter who only passes when he's smothered.

But Teague, Hill or Holiday would in fact be upgrades if any of them would sign with the Wolves.

Teague has the same agent as Rubio and rookie Justin Patton.

I don't think any of those guys are upgrades to Ricky Rubio. At best they may be equivalent to Rubio.

Add in expected salary for them and they are a downgrade over Ricky

[Slim Tubby]

If the rumors about Ricky Rubio being available are true, there are 4 "affordable" options since Ricky's 14.25 Million salary would be added to the Wolves 11.6 million of cap space (stlll leaves room for qualifying offer to Shabazz Muhammad and $4.8 Room MLE).

Jeff Teague 6/10/1988 (29) 6' 0.25" without shoes
82 games 32.4 mpg 15.3 ppg on 11.1 shots
4 rpg
7.8 apg
1.23 steals
2.6 turnovers
2 fouls
35.7% three's
47.5% two's
87% Free Throws

George Hill 5/14/1986 (31) 6' 1.25" without shoes
49 games 31.5 mpg 16.9 ppg on 12.4 shots
3.4 rpg
4.2 apg
1.02 steals
1.7 turnovers
2.3 fouls
40.3% three's
52.3% two's
80% Free Throws

Jrue Holiday 6/12/1990 6' 3.25" without shoes (wants team to sign his brother (for minimum, I guess) at SG)
67 games 32.7 mpg 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots
3.9 rpg
7.3 apg
1.4 steals
2.9 turnovers
2 fouls
35.6% three's
49.8% two's
71% Free Throws

Ricky Rubio 10/21/1990 (will be 27 in October) No Official Measurement. Listed at 6' 4"
75 games 32.9 mpg 11.1 ppg on 8.7 shots
4.1 rpg
9.1 apg
1.71 steals
2.6 turnovers
2.7 fouls
30.6% three's
44.3$ two's
89% Free Throws

Derrick Rose 10/4/1988 (will be 29 in October with 4 Knee Surgeries) 6' 1.5" without shoes
64 games (one was AWOL to visit family after he was benched) 32.5 mpg 18 ppg on 15.3 shots
3.8 rpg
4.4 apg
0.69 steals
2.3 turnovers
1.3 fouls
21.7% threes
48.7% two's
87% Free Throws

The One guy I don't want is Rose. Besides his surgical history, he's a high volume shooter who only passes when he's smothered.

But Teague, Hill or Holiday would in fact be upgrades if any of them would sign with the Wolves.

Teague has the same agent as Rubio and rookie Justin Patton.

I don't think any of those guys are upgrades to Ricky Rubio. At best they may be equivalent to Rubio.

I agree completely plus we'd have to spend more of our cap on the new guys. I definitely could see Thibs signing Rose to a bargain deal to share time with Rubio but I really don't want that guy in our locker room.

[packforfreedom]

Hill has a somewhat fitting profile, but is the oldest. I was never high on Teague, I always liked Holiday but Rubio is a better playmaker and a better defender and it'd be comical (in a bad way) to trade Rubio for shooting, only to get someone with a 5% better percentage from deep, who is worse in everything else than the Rubster. Derrick Rose doesn't even belong in that group and I don't want him anywhere near my team. Not as a player and not as a person.

[Note30]

Inferior choices to Ricky should be the name of this thread.

[TheProdigy]

Hill has a somewhat fitting profile, but is the oldest. I was never high on Teague, I always liked Holiday but Rubio is a better playmaker and a better defender and it'd be comical (in a bad way) to trade Rubio for shooting, only to get someone with a 5% better percentage from deep, who worse in everything else than the Rubster. Derrick Rose doesn't even belong in that group and don't want him anywhere near my team. Not as a player and not as a person.

Pretty sure Holiday is better at attacking the rim. Not sure if Rubio is the superior defender either. He's probably a better help defender but Holiday is much better at keeping the uber athletic pg's in front of him.

[packforfreedom]

yeah Holiday is better attacking the rim, but the narrativ is, that we need more shooting from our PG. And I'm pretty confident, that Rubio is better defender than Holiday.

[rugbyrugger23]

I think Bledsoe should be on list (unless this is FA only list). Take into consideration his age, contract, shooting, and ability to play both guard spots. He may not be "ideal" but only Thibs truly know who is. He has a vision (seems Rubio is not in it) and if Bledsoe fits, I like him better than the contracts on this list.

His contract would allow another max FA (with Aldrich gone) or keep cap space for multiple holes.

Could also do Aldrich and Dudley swap if either team wants to (and Thibs doesn't want the pure cap space from Aldrich).

[Maefteda]

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Holiday is a good defender and can switch onto bigger guys.

I still prefer Rubio because of cost and injury history, but Holiday is my favorite alongside Mills if we trade Rubes.

[minimus]

To be honest I'd like to have someone like Jamal Murray if we trade Rubio. Obviously, it won't happen.

[Jammer]

If the rumors about Ricky Rubio being available are true, there are 4 "affordable" options since Ricky's 14.25 Million salary would be added to the Wolves 11.6 million of cap space (stlll leaves room for qualifying offer to Shabazz Muhammad and $4.8 Room MLE).

Jeff Teague 6/10/1988 (29) 6' 0.25" without shoes
82 games 32.4 mpg 15.3 ppg on 11.1 shots
4 rpg
7.8 apg
1.23 steals
2.6 turnovers
2 fouls
35.7% three's
47.5% two's
87% Free Throws

George Hill 5/14/1986 (31) 6' 1.25" without shoes
49 games 31.5 mpg 16.9 ppg on 12.4 shots
3.4 rpg
4.2 apg
1.02 steals
1.7 turnovers
2.3 fouls
40.3% three's
52.3% two's
80% Free Throws

Jrue Holiday 6/12/1990 6' 3.25" without shoes (wants team to sign his brother (for minimum, I guess) at SG)
67 games 32.7 mpg 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots
3.9 rpg
7.3 apg
1.4 steals
2.9 turnovers
2 fouls
35.6% three's
49.8% two's
71% Free Throws

Ricky Rubio 10/21/1990 (will be 27 in October) No Official Measurement. Listed at 6' 4"
75 games 32.9 mpg 11.1 ppg on 8.7 shots
4.1 rpg
9.1 apg
1.71 steals
2.6 turnovers
2.7 fouls
30.6% three's
44.3$ two's
89% Free Throws

Derrick Rose 10/4/1988 (will be 29 in October with 4 Knee Surgeries) 6' 1.5" without shoes
64 games (one was AWOL to visit family after he was benched) 32.5 mpg 18 ppg on 15.3 shots
3.8 rpg
4.4 apg
0.69 steals
2.3 turnovers
1.3 fouls
21.7% threes
48.7% two's
87% Free Throws

The One guy I don't want is Rose. Besides his surgical history, he's a high volume shooter who only passes when he's smothered.

But Teague, Hill or Holiday would in fact be upgrades if any of them would sign with the Wolves.

Teague has the same agent as Rubio and rookie Justin Patton.

I don't think any of those guys are upgrades to Ricky Rubio. At best they may be equivalent to Rubio.

Add in expected salary for them and they are a downgrade over Ricky

Teague and Hill are probably upgrades due to their superior shooting. But you may be right in that if Teague and Hill are looking to go to the highest bidder, then you can probably count them out.

Holiday is questionable, as 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots is not that efficient, and Holiday's durability is a question.
Rose is an absolute no at this point of his career. He was always a high volume shot taker, which this team doesn't need (not with KAT, Wiggins and Butler), and he was never a pass first guard ever.

And I was just listing the options, I'm not advocating trade given cap space.

Ricky is a likeable guy, fits in great. Could upset the chemistry irreparably to bring in Hill or Teague. There are always issues, besides the luxury tax issues in the future if Teague and Hill are looking for the Big Payday they never got compared to the high lottery picks that they have outperformed.

And Teague and Hill are definately looking for the Big Payday since they never had one before.

[jpatrick]

I think Lowry, Beverly, and Bledsoe are possible but probably unlikely options as well.

[kmgarnett21]

I'd prefer Beverly or Mills over any of these options.

[DaKid]

I really don't think Rubio is going anywhere unless the wolves get a great offer. These rumors aren't coming from anyone here and thus I don't believe them. I'm sure our fo is listening to offers for him but this is just more of the same old unknowing sources.

I'm looking forward to the news that we signed Griffin or ibaka.

[MN7725]

I don't think any of those guys are upgrades to Ricky Rubio. At best they may be equivalent to Rubio.

Add in expected salary for them and they are a downgrade over Ricky

Teague and Hill are probably upgrades due to their superior shooting. But you may be right in that if Teague and Hill are looking to go to the highest bidder, then you can probably count them out.

Holiday is questionable, as 15.4 ppg on 13.3 shots is not that efficient, and Holiday's durability is a question.
Rose is an absolute no at this point of his career. He was always a high volume shot taker, which this team doesn't need (not with KAT, Wiggins and Butler), and he was never a pass first guard ever.

And I was just listing the options, I'm not advocating trade given cap space.

Ricky is a likeable guy, fits in great. Could upset the chemistry irreparably to bring in Hill or Teague. There are always issues, besides the luxury tax issues in the future if Teague and Hill are looking for the Big Payday they never got compared to the high lottery picks that they have outperformed.

And Teague and Hill are definately looking for the Big Payday since they never had one before.

Big Payday might not be available anymore

Lowe and Windhorst did a good breakdown of FA market on Lowe's last podcast
Russel/Fultz trades along with how the draft played out was legit game changer

[Jammer]

Good Point. You (and their podcast, I guess) are saying that the "desperate teams" (Philly, LA, Sacramento, Dallas and now the Knicks) all landed someone they see as their future point guard. So, the bidding for someone like Teague or Holiday may cause them to stay with their incumbent teams, possibly). Interesting development, but New York certainly needs guards. I don't see this rookie Ntilikina stepping in and getting the job done.

[slinky]

For me, its not just Ricky vs new PG. Its Ricky and any assets traded for him vs. new PG. I am hoping at the very least Thibs recognizes that Rubio is worth more than a salary dump.

So while I get we can't take back too much salary, holding out hope that while perhaps not equaling out to Ricky's value...we at least have positive assets coming in(cheap bench potential, picks, etc.), in addition to whichever new PG we decide to overpay.

[MN7725]

Good Point. You (and their podcast, I guess) are saying that the "desperate teams" (Philly, LA, Sacramento, Dallas and now the Knicks) all landed someone they see as their future point guard. So, the bidding for someone like Teague or Holiday may cause them to stay with their incumbent teams, possibly). Interesting development, but New York certainly needs guards. I don't see this rookie Ntilikina stepping in and getting the job done.

It could turn out that Utah-Hill, Tor-Lowry, LAC-CP3, Indy-Teague, NOP-Holiday just do what it takes to keep their FAs since some of them flat out can't replace them if they leave, especially NOP and Tor

But overall, the FA market was killed by who ended up with their potential future PGs, no doubt

Helps Wolves in FA, but hurts them in trading Rubio

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Wolves salary dumped Rubio (get nothing of value) if that's what it took to bring in a Lowry in FA, that's how loaded PG is in the league now

[MN7725]

For me, its not just Ricky vs new PG. Its Ricky and any assets traded for him vs. new PG. I am hoping at the very least Thibs recognizes that Rubio is worth more than a salary dump.

So while I get we can't take back too much salary, holding out hope that while perhaps not equaling out to Ricky's value...we at least have positive assets coming in(cheap bench potential, picks, etc.), in addition to whichever new PG we decide to overpay.

The timing is the problem

If the Wolves get an agreement with a FA PG they feel would be upgrade of at least the fit, they might be forced to do a salary dump of Rubio just to get it done immediately and still be able to go after other FAs

Like on July 1 they have an agreement with Lowry, they can't wait a week to see how other PGs shake out and what teams might actually be looking to trade Rubio for value.

They would miss out on other FAs, one's that might be looking to join the new super team

(Or maybe Taj and Korver would be patient and wait it out since Thibs has equity with them)