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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1041 » by Narf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:22 am

rugbyrugger23 wrote:Also, if you don't take that sentence out of context, it was from a thread about trading for Irving (if I remember correctly). And I said Middleton is my target -- more so than Irving.

Middleton and Wiggins have closer value than Wolves board will admit. But to say once again Wiggins > Middleton.

Since Wiggins is not getting traded (outside of RGM discussion) I will hold out hope he can improve, change his stripes, and accept his 3rd fiddle role. If he can be more Butler and less Rudy Gay, Wolves will have a juggernaut of a team in the West.

It's not just the Wolves board that values Wiggins higher, it's every board. There's doubters everywhere, but the majority clearly values Wiggins higher. So you are lacking objectivity, not everyone else.

21 year olds almost always improve their outside shooting.
21 year olds almost always improve their defense.
21 year olds almost always get bigger and stronger and add some muscle mass.
21 year olds almost always figure out complex team play better as they get older.

Wiggins will very very likely become better defensively and shoot better, and Middleton is in his prime as a very good #4 option while Wiggins was a below average #2 option 4 years away from his prime.

And one last thing that I forgot to mention in my last post, Wiggins will now be guarded by SGs instead of SFs and he's already shown an ability to post up SGs efficiently. It's not just his defense that should look better switching to SG even if he doesn't improve, his offense is also better suited vs smaller SGs.

I agree that on the court Middleton is better this second. I do not agree that Wiggins won't improve significantly from age 21 to age 22 (yes yes his birthday was October 29th that's not really relevant).
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1042 » by mplsfonz23 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:50 pm

Narf wrote:I agree that on the court Middleton is better this second. I do not agree that Wiggins won't improve significantly from age 21 to age 22 (yes yes his birthday was October 29th that's not really relevant).

Sorry Narf, His birthday is the EXACT same date as my son. Feb 21st 1995. He is 22 turning 23 at seasons end.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1043 » by Jingles2 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:04 pm

Would we want Lamarcus Aldridge? Is he worth Dieng, Aldrich and maybe a pick? He supposedly wants out of San Antonio and I don't think he has a ton of trade value. Would the Spurs do it without the pick? Would they even do it with a future pick?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8dgz5gj
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1044 » by LibertyPrime » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:17 pm

Jingles2 wrote:Would we want Lamarcus Aldridge? Is he worth Dieng, Aldrich and maybe a pick? He supposedly wants out of San Antonio and I don't think he has a ton of trade value. Would the Spurs do it without the pick? Would they even do it with a future pick?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8dgz5gj


It's an interesting thought but if Aldridge can't flourish as a second option behind Kawhi, I don't think he'll be any happier as a fourth option behind KAT/Butler/Wiggy. Plus, the frontcourt defense between LMA and KAT would be spectacularly bad.

re LMA: Kind of amazes me that moving to a team close to home, that has a history of winning and the league's best coach/front office combination, didn't improve his attitude or outlook above that of the sourpuss he was in Portland.

I think he's just a fundamentally unhappy guy; a star-level player with superstar ambitions but without the super-star talent to get him there. I'd like a PF with his talent and without his attitude.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1045 » by mplsfonz23 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:42 pm

Jingles2 wrote:Would we want Lamarcus Aldridge? Is he worth Dieng, Aldrich and maybe a pick? He supposedly wants out of San Antonio and I don't think he has a ton of trade value. Would the Spurs do it without the pick? Would they even do it with a future pick?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8dgz5gj


I personally think LA is done. At 32-33 he doesn't fit the long term plan. Plus he has a player option after this year. I don't think he's going to opt out so that's 22 mil on the books. Keep Deing, see if Cole has anything left in trade value, and just role with what we have. How many players are actually left from last season. Seems like a rebuild but with better players. Howd that happen? :o
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1046 » by Jingles2 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:50 pm

LibertyPrime wrote:
Jingles2 wrote:Would we want Lamarcus Aldridge? Is he worth Dieng, Aldrich and maybe a pick? He supposedly wants out of San Antonio and I don't think he has a ton of trade value. Would the Spurs do it without the pick? Would they even do it with a future pick?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8dgz5gj


It's an interesting thought but if Aldridge can't flourish as a second option behind Kawhi, I don't think he'll be any happier as a fourth option behind KAT/Butler/Wiggy. Plus, the frontcourt defense between LMA and KAT would be spectacularly bad.

re LMA: Kind of amazes me that moving to a team close to home, that has a history of winning and the league's best coach/front office combination, didn't improve his attitude or outlook above that of the sourpuss he was in Portland.

I think he's just a fundamentally unhappy guy; a star-level player with superstar ambitions but without the super-star talent to get him there. I'd like a PF with his talent and without his attitude.


I agree with most of that, but one thing I think would be a big bonus is that he only has two years left on his deal, instead of the 4 Dieng has. The 2nd year might be an option, not sure. I guess i wouldnt do it if we had to send a pick, but straight up I think i would. Wiggins is getting the max and next summer we're going to max Towns, so havin Aldridge and Gibson coming off the books at the same time will give us plenty of money for that.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1047 » by walk with me » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:31 pm

Spurs wouldn't accept a deal that doesn't include Wiggins
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1048 » by Narf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:05 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
Narf wrote:I agree that on the court Middleton is better this second. I do not agree that Wiggins won't improve significantly from age 21 to age 22 (yes yes his birthday was October 29th that's not really relevant).

Sorry Narf, His birthday is the EXACT same date as my son. Feb 21st 1995. He is 22 turning 23 at seasons end.
Just sayin.

Dang I must have been on someone else's player tab, I knew he turned 23 at the end of the season which is why I mentioned it. I was on autopilot lol

My point was he's only 3.6 years younger than Middleton not 4, but the expected improvement over the next 4 years is still the same. Ah well.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1049 » by Narf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:53 pm

walk with me wrote:Spurs wouldn't accept a deal that doesn't include Wiggins

The Spurs would give us a 1st to take LMA and give them Dieng. They do not want him.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1050 » by walk with me » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:16 pm

Narf wrote:
walk with me wrote:Spurs wouldn't accept a deal that doesn't include Wiggins

The Spurs would give us a 1st to take LMA and give them Dieng. They do not want him.


lol based on what? Cmon man, gimmie a break.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1051 » by Pass_the_rock » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:03 pm

walk with me wrote:
Narf wrote:
walk with me wrote:Spurs wouldn't accept a deal that doesn't include Wiggins

The Spurs would give us a 1st to take LMA and give them Dieng. They do not want him.


lol based on what? Cmon man, gimmie a break.


you're so 2010. Melo...LMA....what's next? Deron Williams? :lol:
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1052 » by walk with me » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:12 pm

Pass_the_rock wrote:
walk with me wrote:
Narf wrote:The Spurs would give us a 1st to take LMA and give them Dieng. They do not want him.


lol based on what? Cmon man, gimmie a break.


you're so 2010. Melo...LMA....what's next? Deron Williams? :lol:


I'm not suggesting we should get LMA but what news is out there to make me believe that we could potentially have LMA for dieng and a first?
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1053 » by Narf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:24 pm

walk with me wrote:I'm not suggesting we should get LMA but what news is out there to make me believe that we could potentially have LMA for dieng and a first?

LMA played terrible, is paid like a superstar, is not a superstar, and asked out of the Spurs.

His TS% the last 4 years were .507, .528, .565 and .532. He scored 17.3 points on 14.6 FGAs with 7.3 rebounds and below average defense last year. He's 32, starting the big decline, and unhappy being paid $21 million on the Spurs.

The eff you mean Dieng and a first? It's Dieng for LMA and a first, and San Antonio fans will tell you so. The Spurs are better with him on the bench, and his best role is a super 6 big man off the bench at this point.

www.82games.com/1617/16SAS13.HTM#onoff
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1054 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:48 pm

After what the Cavs got for Irving, Bulls fans must be pissed for what they got for Butler.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1055 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:27 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:After what the Cavs got for Irving, Bulls fans must be pissed for what they got for Butler.

this is just absolutely unheard of. From a foe also! DA was hesitant to give the bulls anything worthy for a better player in Butler
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1056 » by theGreatRC » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:34 am

That's an absolutely filthy trade for the Cavs. I had to take a shower cause I felt so dirty. IT, Crowder AND the 2018 nets pick for Kyrie who wanted out?! DAMN

Even if they don't re-sign IT, they still get a potential #1 pick for him..****
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1057 » by walk with me » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:45 am

Narf wrote:
walk with me wrote:I'm not suggesting we should get LMA but what news is out there to make me believe that we could potentially have LMA for dieng and a first?

LMA played terrible, is paid like a superstar, is not a superstar, and asked out of the Spurs.

His TS% the last 4 years were .507, .528, .565 and .532. He scored 17.3 points on 14.6 FGAs with 7.3 rebounds and below average defense last year. He's 32, starting the big decline, and unhappy being paid $21 million on the Spurs.

The eff you mean Dieng and a first? It's Dieng for LMA and a first, and San Antonio fans will tell you so. The Spurs are better with him on the bench, and his best role is a super 6 big man off the bench at this point.

www.82games.com/1617/16SAS13.HTM#onoff


Stop with the stats if you can't use them... dieng doesn't do anything to help the spurs. Neither does that pick.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1058 » by LibertyPrime » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:48 am

Jingles2 wrote:
I agree with most of that, but one thing I think would be a big bonus is that he only has two years left on his deal, instead of the 4 Dieng has. The 2nd year might be an option, not sure. I guess i wouldnt do it if we had to send a pick, but straight up I think i would. Wiggins is getting the max and next summer we're going to max Towns, so havin Aldridge and Gibson coming off the books at the same time will give us plenty of money for that.


Very good point.
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1059 » by Nidsmy » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:59 am

The celtics got caught up in "sweepstakes".

Kyrie is not worth anything close to what they gave up.

My thought process, though, is "nice job new cavs GM"....

More than impressive to fleece a team like that...
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Re: Trade talk 2017-18 

Post#1060 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:05 am

ok after the smoke has settled, if ainge has one more move up his sleeve(brow), this is all forgotten about and he cashed in those Bklyn picks for KI & Brow

KI
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GH
Brow
Horford

Is nasty.

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