The Jeff Teague Era !

[DaKid]

Anyone else go on nba2k after every game and start a new franchise just to trade teague and dieng.

[theGreatRC]

Anyone else go on nba2k after every game and start a new franchise just to trade teague and dieng.

All. The. Time.

I always trade Jeff to the Jazz

[MN7725]

Dieng per 36:
13.4/9.2/2.1, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, .564 TS%, hustles like crazy and does whatever role you ask him even to the detriment to his own stats. Takes charges and above average D.

The f*** you mean he barely passes for an NBA player? Because he had 2 bad games?

Yep, he is so amazing that we couldn't find any takers for him. Dieng is easily the worst investment Thibs has made.

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

All fans can go by is what is reported

[Klomp]

Yep, he is so amazing that we couldn't find any takers for him. Dieng is easily the worst investment Thibs has made.

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

Read on Twitter

That last part being the key point. Minnesota doesn't want to send out a 1st. Meaning teams WOULD be willing to take him, but we wouldn't if it required us also losing a pick.

[MN7725]

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

Read on Twitter

That last part being the key point. Minnesota doesn't want to send out a 1st. Meaning teams WOULD be willing to take him, but we wouldn't if it required us also losing a pick.

Right, but that just sort of confirms FargoWolf's point

Having to attach an asset to a player that was given an extension is pretty bad under any circumstances for a team, if that reporting is accurate

[Klomp]

The NBA economy changed. That doesn't mean you sell when value is at his absolute lowest. Every year that goes by, a team will be a little more willing to trade for a guy like that. There are certain contracts that are 100% untradeable, even with picks. Minnesota doesn't have any of those on the roster.

[FargoWolf]

Dieng per 36:
13.4/9.2/2.1, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, .564 TS%, hustles like crazy and does whatever role you ask him even to the detriment to his own stats. Takes charges and above average D.

The f*** you mean he barely passes for an NBA player? Because he had 2 bad games?

Yep, he is so amazing that we couldn't find any takers for him. Dieng is easily the worst investment Thibs has made.

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

What did I make up? As you can see it was all out there in the media.

With Patton waiting in the wings, Dieng and his bloated contract don't have a lot of value for the franchise.

[Narf]

Yep, he is so amazing that we couldn't find any takers for him. Dieng is easily the worst investment Thibs has made.

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

What did I make up? As you can see it was all out there in the media.

With Patton waiting in the wings, Dieng and his bloated contract don't have a lot of value for the franchise.

The media reports directly refuted what you said. Teams offered us something of value for Dieng and a first. Not raw cap space.

So what was the offer? A good veteran wing on a bad team for Dieng and OKCs first? An expiring?

Thibs didn't tell the media the offers he got. You don't know sh*t about what offers were made and turned down. Clearly Dieng is better than a guy like Robin Lopez, who's incapable of rebounding as a center and has a year left. How would you or Krawczynski know if Chicago offered a straight swap and we said no? You wouldn't. Thibs wouldn't bust them out like that.

Most trade offers are never known. And I've said all year (as have others) that Dieng will have more value in the offseason. So why sell low now if you're Thibs?

[Crazy-Canuck]

How do you know we didn't have any takers for Dieng?

Oh right, you don't. It shows a lack of integrity to make things up and call them facts.

No one met our value for Dieng. That doesn't mean no one made an offer. We don't know anything about what the Wolves FO really tried to do or didn't try to do.

What did I make up? As you can see it was all out there in the media.

With Patton waiting in the wings, Dieng and his bloated contract don't have a lot of value for the franchise.

The media reports directly refuted what you said. Teams offered us something of value for Dieng and a first. Not raw cap space.

So what was the offer? A good veteran wing on a bad team for Dieng and OKCs first? An expiring?

Thibs didn't tell the media the offers he got. You don't know sh*t about what offers were made and turned down. Clearly Dieng is better than a guy like Robin Lopez, who's incapable of rebounding as a center and has a year left. How would you or Krawczynski know if Chicago offered a straight swap and we said no? You wouldn't. Thibs wouldn't bust them out like that.

Most trade offers are never known. And I've said all year (as have others) that Dieng will have more value in the offseason. So why sell low now if you're Thibs?

They dont want dieng. They want the 1st as the cost of having to take dieng.

[PharmD]

We don't need teague to do more, we need him to do less.

Him and dieng barely pass for nba players these days.

Dieng per 36:
13.4/9.2/2.1, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, .564 TS%, hustles like crazy and does whatever role you ask him even to the detriment to his own stats. Takes charges and above average D.

The f*** you mean he barely passes for an NBA player? Because he had 2 bad games?

Yep, he is so amazing that we couldn't find any takers for him. Dieng is easily the worst investment Thibs has made.

I dunno, there's a lot of competition for that honor. Cole Aldrich, Gorgui Dieng, Jordan Hill, Jeff Teague, maybe even *gulp* Andrew Wiggins. Basically every contract Thibs has signed has negative value.

[Narf]

What did I make up? As you can see it was all out there in the media.

With Patton waiting in the wings, Dieng and his bloated contract don't have a lot of value for the franchise.

The media reports directly refuted what you said. Teams offered us something of value for Dieng and a first. Not raw cap space.

So what was the offer? A good veteran wing on a bad team for Dieng and OKCs first? An expiring?

Thibs didn't tell the media the offers he got. You don't know sh*t about what offers were made and turned down. Clearly Dieng is better than a guy like Robin Lopez, who's incapable of rebounding as a center and has a year left. How would you or Krawczynski know if Chicago offered a straight swap and we said no? You wouldn't. Thibs wouldn't bust them out like that.

Most trade offers are never known. And I've said all year (as have others) that Dieng will have more value in the offseason. So why sell low now if you're Thibs?

They dont want dieng. They want the 1st as the cost of having to take dieng.

I can't tell if you're lying on purpose or just enjoy bitching irrationally and can't tell reality. Either way I'm tired of having to correct it over and over. If you want to bitch, do it with something resembling reality.

There's at least 2 dozen players with far worse contracts than Dieng. Every single team in the NBA with one would trade them for Dieng. Not just the Mozgov's of the league either, there are good players on bad contracts. Teague is overpaid by $4 mil a year, for instance. He's a fine player at $15 mil, not so fine at $19 mil.

Dieng is worth $10 million by any measure. His defensive stats the last 3 years and career TS% and rebounding rate and age dictate a minimum value of $10 mil even if he's not playing that well now.

What good players you ask? Harrison Barnes is not worth the nearly $50 mil he's making after this year. He's a good player, maybe worth $17 mil a year, being paid $24 mil a year. So Barnes is overpaid $7 mil a year right now, Dieng is overpaid less than that a year. Dallas might not make that trade, but Minnesota might not make it either. And unlike Wiggins, Barnes isn't a 22 year old with significant potential left. He's in his prime now, Wiggins can (and should) still improve significantly.

Don't like Barnes as an example? Look at his teammate. You really think Dallas wouldn't trade us Parsons for Dieng in a heartbeat?

You think they didn't offer Parsons for Dieng when Thibs called?

Of course they did. Other teams made offers for Dieng, Thibs said no. Thibs made offers for other players for Dieng, teams said no. It's obviously false that no one was willing to give us anything for Dieng. There are clearly worse contracts who would fit on our bench as a scoring wing, like Parsons.

I can make a list of contracts where players are overpaid more than Dieng is overpaid (and therefore more negative than Dieng). So can the rest of you. So stop willfully ignoring reality just so you can whine more.

[PharmD]

Man, i disagree with so much of that post.

1) That there are some guys in the NBA with WORSE contracts than Gorgui doesn't make Gorgui not a negative asset. You don't have to be the most negative asset to be a negative asset. Yes, Memphis would trade us Chandler Parsons for him. So what?

2) Jeff Teague would not be 'a fine player at 15M'.

3) Gorgui is not 'worth 10M by any measure'.

[TheZachAttack]

Read on Twitter

That last part being the key point. Minnesota doesn't want to send out a 1st. Meaning teams WOULD be willing to take him, but we wouldn't if it required us also losing a pick.

Right, but that just sort of confirms FargoWolf's point

Having to attach an asset to a player that was given an extension is pretty bad under any circumstances for a team, if that reporting is accurate

I think you have to though. I would attach 2019-20 1st round pick + Gorgui for matching salary expirings and a 2nd rounder or something similiar.

Sucks though.

[AirP.]

Dieng is worth $10 million by any measure. His defensive stats the last 3 years and career TS% and rebounding rate and age dictate a minimum value of $10 mil even if he's not playing that well now.

6.3 pts and 4.5 rebounds, those aren't worth $10 million. If he were starting, then he's worth the money he's currently getting but his role has changed and he's not worth anything near $10 million for this team how it's constructed. Don't get what he COULD do and what he actually does confused. Even as a backup for injuries, the dropoff is so great from Towns to whoever the backup that it doesn't really matter come playoff time that there's no reason to waste money at that position.

[life_saver]

Great performance from Teague yesterday....I really like him when he is more aggressive like he was yesterday....I hope we see more of this version of Teague

[Narf]

Man, i disagree with so much of that post.

1) That there are some guys in the NBA with WORSE contracts than Gorgui doesn't make Gorgui not a negative asset. You don't have to be the most negative asset to be a negative asset. Yes, Memphis would trade us Chandler Parsons for him. So what?

2) Jeff Teague would not be 'a fine player at 15M'.

3) Gorgui is not 'worth 10M by any measure'.

No one would offer us anything for Dieng without us throwing in a first round pick.

Of course Memphis would trade Parsons for him.

Pick one.

[Domejandro]

That Jon Krawczynski tweet says that nobody has interest in Gorgui, and Minnesota has no interest in trading a first to get out of his deal. Nowhere does it suggest that teams would trade for him IF a first was attached, that is combining two relatively unrelated statements to suggest something that might not even be there.

[Killboard]

That Jon Krawczynski tweet says that nobody has interest in Gorgui, and Minnesota has no interest in trading a first to get out of his deal. Nowhere does it suggest that teams would trade for him IF a first was attached, that is combining two relatively unrelated statements to suggest something that might not even be there.

Dump Gorgui doesnt make sense at this point, since even without his salary we would be over the cap and unable to sign any free agent other than MLE or Minimum players. Its better "do your job" and pick someone who can contribute over his rookie deal (hopefully not a Justin Patton).
In two years, when KAT and Jimmy extensions kick in, we should move Gorgui who will have 2 more years (and hopefully the salary increase will help a little too).

The worst thing about G contract was not get a Team Option when we paid for him nicely.

[Killboard]

Dieng is worth $10 million by any measure. His defensive stats the last 3 years and career TS% and rebounding rate and age dictate a minimum value of $10 mil even if he's not playing that well now.

6.3 pts and 4.5 rebounds, those aren't worth $10 million. If he were starting, then he's worth the money he's currently getting but his role has changed and he's not worth anything near $10 million for this team how it's constructed. Don't get what he COULD do and what he actually does confused. Even as a backup for injuries, the dropoff is so great from Towns to whoever the backup that it doesn't really matter come playoff time that there's no reason to waste money at that position.

Is Thibs who is to blame, since he was already in charge when Gorgui extension was negotiated. By paying G that money he made the decision of make of him a starter next to Towns, then the next offseason he went with other overpay in Taj (who, as Gorgui has done a great job when playing good minutes). Taj has been better than G next to Towns, but you cant pay both 30M to G and Taj to play them 50 minutes combined, and then have almost 2 borderline unplayable backup wings.

[AirP.]

Dieng is worth $10 million by any measure. His defensive stats the last 3 years and career TS% and rebounding rate and age dictate a minimum value of $10 mil even if he's not playing that well now.

6.3 pts and 4.5 rebounds, those aren't worth $10 million. If he were starting, then he's worth the money he's currently getting but his role has changed and he's not worth anything near $10 million for this team how it's constructed. Don't get what he COULD do and what he actually does confused. Even as a backup for injuries, the dropoff is so great from Towns to whoever the backup that it doesn't really matter come playoff time that there's no reason to waste money at that position.

Is Thibs who is to blame, since he was already in charge when Gorgui extension was negotiated. By paying G that money he made the decision of make of him a starter next to Towns, then the next offseason he went with other overpay in Taj (who, as Gorgui has done a great job when playing good minutes). Taj has been better than G next to Towns, but you cant pay both 30M to G and Taj to play them 50 minutes combined, and then have almost 2 borderline unplayable backup wings.

Somewhat but at that time most people seemed to think it was a solid contract, some mentioned it was at a discount(unlike some of the contracts given out at that time).

Read on Twitter

Luckily it's been floated that Dieng is available and has been for some time so we do know that Thibs does understand that how Dieng is now utilized isn't worth that contract. I don't think he's the only player that will be available this summer, could be another big change off season for Minnesota.