2018 Prospects: Scouting the draft

SmokeyK · Post #141 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 7:13 pm

Based a bit on Wolves needs and even possible offseason trades of TEAGUE/DIENG...

1. Bagley - T. Young - D. Ayton

2. Porter - Bamba - Doncic (I haven’t seen a game)- W. Carter

3. Jackson - Mikal B. - Miles

4.T. Brown - Brissett

5. Sexton - S. G. A. (Pg) -Knox - M. Robinson

6. Williams - Vanderbilt - Trent - Milton

7. Fernando - MCCoy - Gafford

8. Walker

9. Sims

10. Wiley - Bolden

11. Metu - Preston - Alexander - Diallo

12. Musa - Duval - Vick - A. Holiday

13. Khyrie Thomas - B. Brown

14. Shamaet

15.Brown - Johnson

16. Carr

17. Wilder - Graham

18. Melton

19. Wagner

20. Adams - Brunson

21. Hudson

22. J. Williams - Oseetkowski

23. (Hard to gauge Int’ Players get #23) N’Doye - Marinkovic - Simanic - Bonga

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SmokeyK · Post #142 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 7:15 pm

Trent looks good as a 2way player. Doesn’t seem to have the best handle/paging I. Pressure situations

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SmokeyPaw · Post #143 » by **SmokeyPaw** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:44 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:
shangrila wrote:One guy I've been watching recently, probably more of a candidate for our 2nd pick than the OKC, is Jevon Carter from West Virginia.

He's a 6-2 guard, without real PG skills but obviously lacking the height for SG. He shoots it well, passes within the offence, rebounds well for a guard. But the thing that's drawn my attention is his defence. He's aggressive, has great instincts and has an amazing motor. For context, WV plays a pressing defence that puts full court pressure on ball handlers. He's currently at around 32mpg and no other guard has cracked 25mpg for WV over the years they've been pressing. Hell, only 2 times have other players played 35 minutes or more in a single game. Carter? He's topped that mark 20 times in the last 2 years.

I know PG (or combo or whatever) isn't exactly a need for the team. But I doubt there's anyone else in the draft that would fit what Thibs wants from his players (defence, smart play and conditioning).
He could be a guy that could be a nice fit next to Butler since he can play off the ball while Jimmy handles.

Nice article on Kevin carter and tree young matchup.
https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/08/film-room-trae-young-vs-jevon-carter-matchup/

shrink · Post #144 » by **shrink** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 6:27 pm

The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
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14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

SmokeyK · Post #145 » by **SmokeyK** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 8:27 pm

shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
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14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

If they fell into the lottery what’s the protection on the pick next year?

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Post #146 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 8:29 pm

SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
--------------------
14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

If they fell into the lottery what’s the protection on the pick next year?

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It becomes a 2nd round pick.

Merc_Porto · Post #147 » by **Merc_Porto** » Mon Feb 5, 2018 8:36 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
--------------------
14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

If they fell into the lottery what’s the protection on the pick next year?

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It becomes a 2nd round pick.

No. Next year is the same protection. Lottery protected until 2020.

SmokeyK · Post #148 » by **SmokeyK** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:29 am

shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
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14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

Do you think the Wolves move up?

I think the Wolves need to get the best defensive player in this draft at the 3 or trade for one doesn’t have to be a 3-d guy just defensive. Everthything else would be a plus.

We need to find a:
Artest/Rodman/Dumars/Pippen/Worthy defensive junkyard dog type of player!

If we can’t trade for Dra.Green, Leonard, Barnes, Ariza, Butler type in today’s game

In sample size that’s why I wanted Winslow.

I think the best way to beat the Warriors would be defense.

Curry - Butler
Thompson - Wiggins
Durant -Green Leonard Barnes Ariza Butler 2.0
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Kat

Having Barnes or somehow getting Green when playing Warrior works for us with a bit of a chip.

Who’s going to be the best defensive player in this draft?

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SmokeyK · Post #149 » by **SmokeyK** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:54 am

SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
--------------------
14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

Do you think the Wolves move up?

I think the Wolves need to get the best defensive player in this draft at the 3 or trade for one doesn’t have to be a 3-d guy just defensive. Everthything else would be a plus.

We need to find a:
Artest/Rodman/Dumars/Pippen/Worthy defensive junkyard dog type of player!

If we can’t trade for Dra.Green, Leonard, Barnes, Ariza, Butler type in today’s game

In sample size that’s why I wanted Winslow.

I think the best way to beat the Warriors would be defense.

Curry - Butler
Thompson - Wiggins
Durant -Green Leonard Barnes Ariza Butler 2.0
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Kat

Having Barnes or somehow getting Green when playing Warrior works for us with a bit of a chip.

Who’s going to be the best defensive player in this draft?

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Jordan works:

Curry - Butler/Wiggins Teagues/Jones
Thompson - Wiggins/Butler Crawford/Hunt
Durant - Kat/Gibson/Patton
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Jordan/Kat/Patton

We’d win in rbs...

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SmokeyK · Post #150 » by **SmokeyK** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:57 am

SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:The Roberson injury is big, and OKC dropped another. They are rapidly dropping back into the pack. Here's the standings on Feb 5.

30 GSW 41-12
29 HOU 38-13
28 BOS 39-15
27 TOR 36-16
26 SAS 34-21
25 MIN 34-22

24 CLE 30-21
23 WAS 30-22
22 MIL 29-23
21 IND 30-24
20 OKC 30-24
19 POR 29-24
18 MIA 29-24
17 NOP 28-24
16 DEN 28-25

15 PHI 25-25
--------------------
14 LAC 26-25

OKC is only 1.5 games seperated from the 16th or 24th pick! Heck 2.5 games puts them in the lottery, and we wouldn't get the pick this year!

Do you think the Wolves move up?

I think the Wolves need to get the best defensive player in this draft at the 3 or trade for one doesn’t have to be a 3-d guy just defensive. Everthything else would be a plus.

We need to find a:
Artest/Rodman/Dumars/Pippen/Worthy defensive junkyard dog type of player!

If we can’t trade for Dra.Green, Leonard, Barnes, Ariza, Butler type in today’s game

In sample size that’s why I wanted Winslow.

I think the best way to beat the Warriors would be defense.

Curry - Butler
Thompson - Wiggins
Durant -Green Leonard Barnes Ariza Butler 2.0
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Kat

Having Barnes or somehow getting Green when playing Warrior works for us with a bit of a chip.

Who’s going to be the best defensive player in this draft?

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Jordan works:

Curry - Butler/Wiggins Teagues/Jones
Thompson - Wiggins/Butler Crawford/Hunt
Durant - Kat/Gibson/Patton
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Jordan/Kat/Patton

We’d win in rbs...

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Carter, Bamba(maybe), Bridges, could all end up being the best defensive player in draft and can fit on the Wolves... Maybe Williams,Porter?

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SmokeyK · Post #151 » by **SmokeyK** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 6:17 am

SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:Do you think the Wolves move up?

I think the Wolves need to get the best defensive player in this draft at the 3 or trade for one doesn’t have to be a 3-d guy just defensive. Everthything else would be a plus.

We need to find a:
Artest/Rodman/Dumars/Pippen/Worthy defensive junkyard dog type of player!

If we can’t trade for Dra.Green, Leonard, Barnes, Ariza, Butler type in today’s game

In sample size that’s why I wanted Winslow.

I think the best way to beat the Warriors would be defense.

Curry - Butler
Thompson - Wiggins
Durant -Green Leonard Barnes Ariza Butler 2.0
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Kat

Having Barnes or somehow getting Green when playing Warrior works for us with a bit of a chip.

Who’s going to be the best defensive player in this draft?

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Jordan works:

Curry - Butler/Wiggins Teagues/Jones
Thompson - Wiggins/Butler Crawford/Hunt
Durant - Kat/Gibson/Patton
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Jordan/Kat/Patton

We’d win in rbs...

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Carter, Bamba(maybe), Bridges, could all end up being the best defensive player in draft and can fit on the Wolves... Maybe Williams,Porter?

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Butler # 30,
Pierce #10,
Giannis #15,
D. Green #35,
Artest #16,
Rodman #57,
Ariza #42,
M. Gasol #48,
Kemp #17,
Jordan Bell # 38.
Whiteside #33
D. Jordan #35

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SmokeyK · Post #152 » by **SmokeyK** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 6:29 am

SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
Jordan works:

Curry - Butler/Wiggins Teagues/Jones
Thompson - Wiggins/Butler Crawford/Hunt
Durant - Kat/Gibson/Patton
Green -Gibson/Patton
C - Jordan/Kat/Patton

We’d win in rbs...

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Carter, Bamba(maybe), Bridges, could all end up being the best defensive player in draft and can fit on the Wolves... Maybe Williams,Porter?

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Butler # 30,
Pierce #10,
Giannis #15,
D. Green #35,
Artest #16,
Rodman #57,
Ariza #42,
M. Gasol #48,
Kemp #17,
Jordan Bell # 38.
Whiteside #33
D. Jordan #35

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George #10
K. Leonard #15

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shrink · Post #153 » by **shrink** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:13 am

... Gobert 24? This is a good point - the best defensive players often come later in the draft, perhaps even with the OKC pick.

We have three shots at finding that defensive SF. The OKC pick, the 2018 MLE, and/or Bjelica re-signs, and gets more skill at SF.

shrink · Post #154 » by **shrink** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:20 am

Amusing who has 25 losses ...!

42-13 GSW
40-13 HOU
35-21 SAS
34-23 MIN

31-25 OKC (#21)
30-25 POR
29-25 DEN
28-25 NOP
27-25 LAC

26-28 UTA

Post #155 » by **Klomp** » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:38 am

shrink wrote:... Gobert 24? This is a good point - the best defensive players often come later in the draft, perhaps even with the OKC pick.

Exactly.

It's guys who maybe don't have the highest offensive upside who slip, but guys who many times got to where they are because of hard work on both ends of the court. Someone like Bruce Brown has always been appealing to me.

Another name that has caught my name for the first time tonight is Jacob Evans. 41% 3-point shooter (4.5 3PApg), and over 1 block and 1 steal per game.

Watch on YouTube

SmokeyK · Post #156 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:28 am

shrink wrote:Amusing who has 25 losses ...!

42-13 GSW
40-13 HOU
35-21 SAS
34-23 MIN

31-25 OKC (#21)
30-25 POR
29-25 DEN
28-25 NOP
27-25 LAC

26-28 UTA

Currently going to Bulls Troy Brown...

: Troy Brown (Oregon, SG/SF, Freshman)

The Bulls can add another wing in Brown, who's interchangeable at the 2 and 3 with 6'7" size, playmaking skills (.968 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler) and familiarity working off the ball (30.5 percent of offense out of spot-ups). He needs to improve his shooting, but he's still making a three-pointer per game, and he's shown he can defend multiple positions.

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SmokeyK · Post #157 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:48 am

SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:Amusing who has 25 losses ...!

42-13 GSW
40-13 HOU
35-21 SAS
34-23 MIN

31-25 OKC (#21)
30-25 POR
29-25 DEN
28-25 NOP
27-25 LAC

26-28 UTA

Currently going to Bulls Troy Brown...

: Troy Brown (Oregon, SG/SF, Freshman)

The Bulls can add another wing in Brown, who's interchangeable at the 2 and 3 with 6'7" size, playmaking skills (.968 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler) and familiarity working off the ball (30.5 percent of offense out of spot-ups). He needs to improve his shooting, but he's still making a three-pointer per game, and he's shown he can defend multiple positions.

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Keita Bates-Diop (Ohio State, SF/PF, Junior)

Breakout star Bates-Diop hasn't slowed down, having just gone for 35 points and 13 rebounds against Illinois on Sunday. He's developed into a complete three-level scorer, knocking down 1.8 threes per game and torching defenses from the mid-range and elbows. He's a late-bloomer at 21 years old, but Bates-Diop's tools and production could be too enticing for Portland to pass up.

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SmokeyK · Post #158 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:49 am

SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
shrink wrote:Amusing who has 25 losses ...!

42-13 GSW
40-13 HOU
35-21 SAS
34-23 MIN

31-25 OKC (#21)
30-25 POR
29-25 DEN
28-25 NOP
27-25 LAC

26-28 UTA

Currently going to Bulls Troy Brown...

: Troy Brown (Oregon, SG/SF, Freshman)

The Bulls can add another wing in Brown, who's interchangeable at the 2 and 3 with 6'7" size, playmaking skills (.968 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler) and familiarity working off the ball (30.5 percent of offense out of spot-ups). He needs to improve his shooting, but he's still making a three-pointer per game, and he's shown he can defend multiple positions.

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Keita Bates-Diop (Ohio State, SF/PF, Junior)

Breakout star Bates-Diop hasn't slowed down, having just gone for 35 points and 13 rebounds against Illinois on Sunday. He's developed into a complete three-level scorer, knocking down 1.8 threes per game and torching defenses from the mid-range and elbows. He's a late-bloomer at 21 years old, but Bates-Diop's tools and production could be too enticing for Portland to pass up.

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Shake Milton (SMU, PG/SG, Junior)

Milton will miss time with a hand injury, but he's made a noticeable jump through 22 games, and the 18.0 points and 4.4 assists could already be enough. Shooting over 42 percent from three for the third consecutive season, Milton has also become a more complete scorer, particularly off the ball (32.6 percent of offense). He's generating 1.339 points per possession out of spot-ups, where he's converting his drives to the basket (43.8 percent) and runners (6-of-10)

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shangrila · Post #159 » by **shangrila** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:50 am

Can you stop spamming posts? It's getting annoying when half a page of posts is nothing but you replying to yourself.

SmokeyK · Post #160 » by **SmokeyK** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:51 am

SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:
SmokeyK wrote:Currently going to Bulls Troy Brown...

: Troy Brown (Oregon, SG/SF, Freshman)

The Bulls can add another wing in Brown, who's interchangeable at the 2 and 3 with 6'7" size, playmaking skills (.968 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler) and familiarity working off the ball (30.5 percent of offense out of spot-ups). He needs to improve his shooting, but he's still making a three-pointer per game, and he's shown he can defend multiple positions.

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Keita Bates-Diop (Ohio State, SF/PF, Junior)

Breakout star Bates-Diop hasn't slowed down, having just gone for 35 points and 13 rebounds against Illinois on Sunday. He's developed into a complete three-level scorer, knocking down 1.8 threes per game and torching defenses from the mid-range and elbows. He's a late-bloomer at 21 years old, but Bates-Diop's tools and production could be too enticing for Portland to pass up.

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Shake Milton (SMU, PG/SG, Junior)

Milton will miss time with a hand injury, but he's made a noticeable jump through 22 games, and the 18.0 points and 4.4 assists could already be enough. Shooting over 42 percent from three for the third consecutive season, Milton has also become a more complete scorer, particularly off the ball (32.6 percent of offense). He's generating 1.339 points per possession out of spot-ups, where he's converting his drives to the basket (43.8 percent) and runners (6-of-10)

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: Daniel Gafford (Arkansas, PF/C, Freshman)

Gafford has drawn attention for his activity above the rim, specifically easy baskets and shot-blocking. He's also flashed a budding post game with quick moves and wiggle playing back-to-the-basket. Gafford is a project, but the Bucks aren't looking at any obvious contributors for 2018-19.

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