Trade Talk

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On this historic day, when a trade may be made that alters the franchise’s history, I christen the new Trade Talk thread!

[AirP.]

In the Blazers calls with Minnesota, it was made clear that neither Damian Lillard nor CJ McCollum would be part of the discussions.

Also to note, Jusuf Nurkic, whom the Blazers re-signed during the offseason, would not be in any trade scenario. Nurkic is ineligible to be traded until Jan. 15th.

The Blazers have had a long interest in Butler, which has been widely known and reported on, and a deal for the All-Star forward would mean they are taking a chance that he could become be a one year rental.

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/trail-blazers-engage-minnesota-timberwolves-potential-jimmy-butler-deal

Also from late in the other thread.

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Richardson is a starter, Whiteside moves Towns to PF though when he's on the court(starting or off the bench). Not a horrible thing, Towns can handle PF on the offensive end and what Towns lacks on defense at the PF Whiteside makes up as a better rim protector at this point then Towns.

Good rim protection could help this team an incredible amount.

[Pillendreher]

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[Rashodamus]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

[karch34]

I'd take on the crap show that would be Thompson or Smith if Sexton was included.

Way better than a Portland offer without McCollum or Miami offer without Winslow.

[Tukkerwolf]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

Your description is the definition of Covington. A relatively young 3&d player. One of the best wing defenders around and when utilized properly a great shooter.

[AirP.]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

Everything but his contract is a good fit. Next season(2019-2020) Minnesota would be paying 3 players 80-85 million dollars or Towns, Wiggins and Porter, I'm not sure how good that core is outside of Towns nor how you're going to put anything good around. People were angry about the bench last year and there will be even less money to put towards it moving forward.

Also, your timeline is Towns, you can pick up vets now for a few years for better quality play and you can pick up vets later for better quality play then this continuous treadmill of wasting years "developing" and never having an end result. You keep bringing in young talent and hope some of them develop into good players, you don't just create a whole franchise expecting every 1st round player to develop into a starter.

[Howard Cosell]

Pat Riley wants to get a deal done for Jimmy Butler.

I consider Miami Heat growing favorite to get this trade done.

[KGdaBom]

I'd take on the crap show that would be Thompson or Smith if Sexton was included.

Way better than a Portland offer without McCollum or Miami offer without Winslow.

Why would we want Winslow?

[karch34]

I'd take on the crap show that would be Thompson or Smith if Sexton was included.

Way better than a Portland offer without McCollum or Miami offer without Winslow.

Why would we want Winslow?

Young defensive wing with upside.

[KGdaBom]

I'd take on the crap show that would be Thompson or Smith if Sexton was included.

Way better than a Portland offer without McCollum or Miami offer without Winslow.

Why would we want Winslow?

Young defensive wing with upside.

I don't see any upside. he's been around long enough that he is what he is. A very limited player. I want Richardson, Bam, Olynyk, Johnson and probably a couple of others before I would be interested in Winslow.

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[Wolves21]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

From all the rumors and semi realistic ideas thrown around Porter & Convington are probably the two best talents.If you trade for Porter you do real have to think if you want close to $90M per year tied up in Towns,Wiggins & Porter.Could be worth a shot to see how those three fit together for the season and if things don't fit and where not a playoff team look to trade Wiggins for some cap space and cheaper talent moving forward in the offseason.


Now as for Convington which I've been pushing for the last few days he's a near perfect fit in terms of being a starting caliber player who's one of the best defensive players in the league that's also a 3 point threat and someone that's young enough at 27 to grow with the team and is and outstanding contract at around $12M per year.Plus he would basically offset the loss of Butler on defense and would open up the offense to be run by Towns & Wiggins and would move Wiggins over to the SG spot which I think is a better fit long term for him.

[Norseman79]

Out of starting small forwards that may be included for Butler, the best I have seen mentioned so far would go MIddleton, Porter Covington in that order....I feel like we at least need a starting 3 coming back as Wiggins needs to play the 2

[Rashodamus]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

Your description is the definition of Covington. A relatively young 3&d player. One of the best wing defenders around and when utilized properly a great shooter.

He turns 28 in a couple months and is a role player. My problem is that in 3-4 years when Towns/Wiggins are in their prime, his contract is expiring and hes 32-33. I want a guy we can potentially have through Towns/Wiggins prime if he fits, so I would probably look for no older than 25 or so. Its not that I dont like Covington, theres a reason he was 1 of the 3 I mentioned.

[AirP.]

Remember, there's a number of players who can't be traded till January 15th.
Some players that can't be moved till January 15th that could matter to Minnesota fans.

M.Smart, J.Harris, W.Barton, C.Capela, A.Bradley, M.Harrell, J.Grant, A.Gordon, J.Nurkic, VanVleet, Exum, Favors.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-january-15-3.html

[Rashodamus]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

Everything but his contract is a good fit. Next season(2019-2020) Minnesota would be paying 3 players 80-85 million dollars or Towns, Wiggins and Porter, I'm not sure how good that core is outside of Towns nor how you're going to put anything good around. People were angry about the bench last year and there will be even less money to put towards it moving forward.

Also, your timeline is Towns, you can pick up vets now for a few years for better quality play and you can pick up vets later for better quality play then this continuous treadmill of wasting years "developing" and never having an end result. You keep bringing in young talent and hope some of them develop into good players, you don't just create a whole franchise expecting every 1st round player to develop into a starter.

Towns and Wiggins arent going anywhere IMO, but arent a russ/KD kind of combo so it leaves us with few options. If Wiggins stays you have the choice of trying to add one significant piece, or filling in with youth and being full rebuild mode IMO. This is just the method which nets us a well fitting young piece. I just think Towns/Wiggins without Thibs puts us in late lotto, 13/14th pick area, where with Porter I think we could make the playoffs potentially. As far as adding talent via the draft I see little difference in those options so I prefer the one which already has a guy of Porters caliber added to the roster.

Most will say trade Wiggins but im not in that group. First I dont think you get much for him talent wise, and second I think it would make Towns unhappy. I will also say I think Wiggins has been horribly developed the last 2 seasons and believe a good coach could get much more from him. If Thibs is gone I predict Wiggins to have a strong season and next year his contract might not look good, but wont be seen as the albatross it is seen as now. If Thibs remains then im not sure, but I know he will have a better season than last.

[Rashodamus]

Remember, there's a number of players who can't be traded till January 15th.
Some players that can't be moved till January 15th that could matter to Minnesota fans.

M.Smart, J.Harris, W.Barton, C.Capela, A.Bradley, M.Harrell, J.Grant, A.Gordon, J.Nurkic, VanVleet, Exum, Favors.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-january-15-3.html

I honestly dont think theres any chance Glen lets it go that long. I dont think he lets it go to Oct 15. We would have a lot more salary matching options but in this particular case I think making it happen ASAP is the right move.

[Wolves21]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

Your description is the definition of Covington. A relatively young 3&d player. One of the best wing defenders around and when utilized properly a great shooter.

He turns 28 in a couple months and is a role player. My problem is that in 3-4 years when Towns/Wiggins are in their prime, his contract is expiring and hes 32-33. I want a guy we can potentially have through Towns/Wiggins prime if he fits, so I would probably look for no older than 25 or so. Its not that I dont like Covington, theres a reason he was 1 of the 3 I mentioned.

Well ideally we would have kept Butler for years to come and at 29 that didn't seem to be and issue with the fan base.Not saying Covington=Butler by any means but he's a years young on a much cheaper contract and can repliacte or might be even slighly better then Butler on defense.27 going on 28 isn't a bad fit for this team going forward.Kind of checks off a lot of boxes for us in terms of a starting caliber vet that helps us win now,young enough to be with the team for years to come and is a ideal fit as a 3&D guy which our team has none of right now.

[Rashodamus]

Of what we have heard I think my top choice would be Porter, for fit/age and being under contract a few more years. Covington is nice but not sure he fits our timeline as well or what we would get with him. I like Middleton but his UFA worries me and hes a couple years older than id prefer as a centerpiece. I want a useful young player who will be a rotation player for the next 2-3 years at least, starter caliber with the ability to shoot.

From all the rumors and semi realistic ideas thrown around Porter & Convington are probably the two best talents.If you trade for Porter you do real have to think if you want close to $90M per year tied up in Towns,Wiggins & Porter.Could be worth a shot to see how those three fit together for the season and if things don't fit and where not a playoff team look to trade Wiggins for some cap space and cheaper talent moving forward in the offseason.


Now as for Convington which I've been pushing for the last few days he's a near perfect fit in terms of being a starting caliber player who's one of the best defensive players in the league that's also a 3 point threat and someone that's young enough at 27 to grow with the team and is and outstanding contract at around $12M per year.Plus he would basically offset the loss of Butler on defense and would open up the offense to be run by Towns & Wiggins and would move Wiggins over to the SG spot which I think is a better fit long term for him.

Like I said in another post about Covington, hes 28 in Dec and in 3-4 years when KAT/Wiggins hit their prime I dont know if im giving him another contract. Maybe, I dont know, he could be going strong at 32 and could be reasonably priced for a few more years. I just think Porter is a significantly better player overall, not quite as good defensively but a lot better on offense. Covington is a decent shooter, Porter shot .434 and .441 from 3 the last 2 years, thats elite. He rebounds/passes as good or better and is no slouch as a defender. Hes also just as experienced and 3 years younger, theres a reason he costs more.