TheDominator273 wrote:Jedzz wrote:Worm Guts wrote:
From the few games I watched him in the tournament, he can shoot off the dribble and from very deep. That’s where I’m getting the Lillard/Curry comparison although he’s nowhere near that category in terms of talent. Magee is more of a spot up shooter.
From what I heard Magee takes a lot of heat for shooting from anywhere at anytime. Yet he makes them at a high clip so that's where the complaints end. Thanks for explaining on Edwards.
Do you see, or have you seen, Edwards hoisting his team on his back ala Lillard? Now something like that kind of will and determination is a draftable trait in my book that I can't learn about them until someone that watched them reports it.
Edwards dropped 42 on Virginia in the tournament so yes he has put his team on his back. The difference between Magee and Edwards is shot creation and playmaking. Magee can't create for himself or others while Edwards can/does. Both are brutal defenders, but Edwards having a more complete game is why he is gaining steam as a late 1st round pick and has more upside than Magee who will be lucky to have a Doug McDermott type of career.
I appreciate the information on Edwards. I am starting to see the distinction and difference between a point guard like Edwards and a shooting guard like Magee. I do believe that Edwards has that creation ability for himself and determination to carry a team is a draftable trait. If the team can find he has shown that multiple times and thinks that is who he is capable of being at NBA levels than I would support a pick like that. Edwards sounds like an offensive PG. While Magee could likely be an off ball SG, ala Kevin Martin capable of 4.2 to 4.5 three pt attempts per game. Hopefully with a better conversion rate.
McDermott is a similarly capable shooter to Magee, though by size they are not quite in the same class. McDermott is 6-8 and more of a small forward/wing, but he has maintained a >.400 three pt shot in the NBA. That shooting is very important. Less important is how his specific teams have used him, as he's only taking 2.7 to 3 three pt shots per game. I do look at the Timberwolves makeup and what they have been asking from shooting guards and small forwards here, namely Wiggins and Okogie, and I see the Wolves asking these guys not to create much, but to take shots when they are served up to them. Cutting and slashing hasn't looked like what they are asking from them. The problem with this has been the fact none of them have been consistent shooters enough to make good on this role offensively. So that's why I see Magee as good for this team as it's been, as he would likely improve on that shot taking from that role, improve spacing this way, and so his role is a lot less about creating here. I don't think he's too small to be a shooting guard. James Harden is a 6-5 SG, albeit a ball dominant and sometimes point centric one. He doesn't make less because his defense stinks.
A ball dominant point guard who can also shoot well, in the lillard type or other, would likely change what this team has been doing. That type of guard, an offensive point guard, with a more complete game would change a lot of things as they have been. But also in this case, the team would need players capable of being a threat off-ball, and making good on the remaining off ball shots which then help increase spacing for a diminutive offensive point and an offensive Center. It would almost be paramount that you had players that could. I think there always is a role for off ball shooters on most teams.
Would you mind seeing a combined Edwards and Magee back court off the bench? This sounds like it would be closer to Rose/Okogie than it would be to Tyus/Wiggins.
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