Re: Trade Talk (Part Two)
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:36 am
I’d do that only if Culver works out at PG and the pick is not unprotected not sure Booker makes the wolves a playoff team:/
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Neeva wrote:I’d do that only if Culver works out at PG and the pick is unprotected not sure Booker makes the wolves a playoff team:/
minimus wrote:I think the main concern should be Booker defense as he is close to awfull defender right now. Maybe we can mitigate this, and he can follow СJ McCollum/Dame/Harden/Beal path and be at least average defender.
minimus wrote:Booker is another KAT buddy. Would you do Wiggins, Okogie, FRP for Booker on 5yrs contracts? I would do it.
KAT/Bell/Dieng
Vonleh/Layman/KBD
RoCo/KBD/Layman
Booker/Culver/Nowell
Culver/Teague/Wallace
shrink wrote:minimus wrote:Booker is another KAT buddy. Would you do Wiggins, Okogie, FRP for Booker on 5yrs contracts? I would do it.
KAT/Bell/Dieng
Vonleh/Layman/KBD
RoCo/KBD/Layman
Booker/Culver/Nowell
Culver/Teague/Wallace
Booker is interesting. He just signed a five year deal, so he has no leverage to request a trade. He’s also worth more to PHX than other teams, because he is their star right now, so he sells tickets as their best player. If he was traded elsewhere, he would not have either quality, but PHX wouldn’t give that up without being compensated for it. If PHX tried a rebuild around Ayton (21) and Bridges (22), Booker is also 22, so it’s difficult to see what package it would take.
Here, it would take value simply to get off Wiggins contract. Let’s say it’s only one 1st, even though it could make that pick non-lottery. For value, I just can’t see the Suns trading Booker for Okogie, and maybe not even Culver, in this draft with only two major prospects.
minimus wrote:
Booker is another KAT buddy. Would you do Wiggins, Okogie, FRP for Booker on 5yrs contracts? I would do it.
KAT/Bell/Dieng
Vonleh/Layman/KBD
RoCo/KBD/Layman
Booker/Culver/Nowell
Culver/Teague/Wallace
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:Booker is another KAT buddy. Would you do Wiggins, Okogie, FRP for Booker on 5yrs contracts? I would do it.
KAT/Bell/Dieng
Vonleh/Layman/KBD
RoCo/KBD/Layman
Booker/Culver/Nowell
Culver/Teague/Wallace
Yes I would do that.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:Booker is another KAT buddy. Would you do Wiggins, Okogie, FRP for Booker on 5yrs contracts? I would do it.
KAT/Bell/Dieng
Vonleh/Layman/KBD
RoCo/KBD/Layman
Booker/Culver/Nowell
Culver/Teague/Wallace
Yes I would do that.
I think getting an all star level wing is a must in our situation. I believe that first phase of Rosas work is to gather as much as possible assets on cheap contracts. The second phase is trade for a star. This or next season it should happen via trade. Unless Culver/Wiggins/Nowell becomes a legit star next two seasons. Teague and Dieng contracts as expiring salary fillers and cheap assets. Okogie, KBD, Layman, Nowell, Reid, Culver all might be traded in right situation.
shangrila wrote:minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Yes I would do that.
I think getting an all star level wing is a must in our situation. I believe that first phase of Rosas work is to gather as much as possible assets on cheap contracts. The second phase is trade for a star. This or next season it should happen via trade. Unless Culver/Wiggins/Nowell becomes a legit star next two seasons. Teague and Dieng contracts as expiring salary fillers and cheap assets. Okogie, KBD, Layman, Nowell, Reid, Culver all might be traded in right situation.
It would cost us Culver at absolute minimum. He's their Towns, you're not getting him for scraps.
theGreatRC wrote:shangrila wrote:minimus wrote:
I think getting an all star level wing is a must in our situation. I believe that first phase of Rosas work is to gather as much as possible assets on cheap contracts. The second phase is trade for a star. This or next season it should happen via trade. Unless Culver/Wiggins/Nowell becomes a legit star next two seasons. Teague and Dieng contracts as expiring salary fillers and cheap assets. Okogie, KBD, Layman, Nowell, Reid, Culver all might be traded in right situation.
It would cost us Culver at absolute minimum. He's their Towns, you're not getting him for scraps.
I'd give up anyone not named KAT for another young start like Booker/DLO/Beal/guys who fit in that young star category.
The problem is our talent outside of KAT is not impressive. It'd probably take Culver + Josh + a pick minimum which you do 10/10 times
Crazy-Canuck wrote:theGreatRC wrote:shangrila wrote:It would cost us Culver at absolute minimum. He's their Towns, you're not getting him for scraps.
I'd give up anyone not named KAT for another young start like Booker/DLO/Beal/guys who fit in that young star category.
The problem is our talent outside of KAT is not impressive. It'd probably take Culver + Josh + a pick minimum which you do 10/10 times
Beal yes, but i think booker and dlo are overrated.
minimus wrote:The more I think about our current roster, more I think that it is constructed for DLo trade. Addition of Russell will allow us to use defensive minded players in our roster. I do think that same Ty Wallace could make impact as defensive minded wing in our rotation. Wallace, Okogie, Bell, Vonleh, Culver, KBD, Graham can all get minutes if Russell and KAT take care of our scoring and creating for others.
I might overlook Tyrone Wallace signing but he has high potential as a versatile defender at PG/SG/SF. Lack of size at PG has been an issue last season. Russell/Wallace/Nowell is a good solution to this problem. No more Teague-Rose, Rose-Tyus, Teague-Tyus struggles.
Unless GSW ask too much something like Teague, RoCo, FRP should be our initial offer. Steep price but 3.5yrs of team control.
KAT/Vonleh/Dieng + Reid
Bell/Layman/KBD
Layman/KBD/Graham + Martin
Wiggins/Culver/Okogie + Nowell
Russell/Wallace/Napier + McLaughlin
Macwolf527 wrote:minimus wrote:The more I think about our current roster, more I think that it is constructed for DLo trade. Addition of Russell will allow us to use defensive minded players in our roster. I do think that same Ty Wallace could make impact as defensive minded wing in our rotation. Wallace, Okogie, Bell, Vonleh, Culver, KBD, Graham can all get minutes if Russell and KAT take care of our scoring and creating for others.
I might overlook Tyrone Wallace signing but he has high potential as a versatile defender at PG/SG/SF. Lack of size at PG has been an issue last season. Russell/Wallace/Nowell is a good solution to this problem. No more Teague-Rose, Rose-Tyus, Teague-Tyus struggles.
Unless GSW ask too much something like Teague, RoCo, FRP should be our initial offer. Steep price but 3.5yrs of team control.
KAT/Vonleh/Dieng + Reid
Bell/Layman/KBD
Layman/KBD/Graham + Martin
Wiggins/Culver/Okogie + Nowell
Russell/Wallace/Napier + McLaughlin
That's been my thought from the time Russell was signed by Golden State. No one believes that stuff the Warrior's brass was putting forth about keeping Russell. Especially now that Draymond has been signed to an extension along with Thompson. They're at $119m with just those 4 players. I believe your offer listed above is the starting point for a deal, but I anticipate the Wolves will try to do some other things with Teague and Dieng before a deal with GSW goes down. The only assets I will sign off on at this point to be part of the deal is Covington and a future first round pick, but I'm not altogether sure the pick will be ours, which is where moving Teague and Dieng could come into play. A move to acquire additional assets for them seems reasonable since they don't really fit out timeline. You've had one big man go down yesterday with the Cousin's injury. If a couple more post players on playoff bound teams bite the bullet, a market could develop for Gorgui around the league.
minimus wrote:Macwolf527 wrote:minimus wrote:The more I think about our current roster, more I think that it is constructed for DLo trade. Addition of Russell will allow us to use defensive minded players in our roster. I do think that same Ty Wallace could make impact as defensive minded wing in our rotation. Wallace, Okogie, Bell, Vonleh, Culver, KBD, Graham can all get minutes if Russell and KAT take care of our scoring and creating for others.
I might overlook Tyrone Wallace signing but he has high potential as a versatile defender at PG/SG/SF. Lack of size at PG has been an issue last season. Russell/Wallace/Nowell is a good solution to this problem. No more Teague-Rose, Rose-Tyus, Teague-Tyus struggles.
Unless GSW ask too much something like Teague, RoCo, FRP should be our initial offer. Steep price but 3.5yrs of team control.
KAT/Vonleh/Dieng + Reid
Bell/Layman/KBD
Layman/KBD/Graham + Martin
Wiggins/Culver/Okogie + Nowell
Russell/Wallace/Napier + McLaughlin
That's been my thought from the time Russell was signed by Golden State. No one believes that stuff the Warrior's brass was putting forth about keeping Russell. Especially now that Draymond has been signed to an extension along with Thompson. They're at $119m with just those 4 players. I believe your offer listed above is the starting point for a deal, but I anticipate the Wolves will try to do some other things with Teague and Dieng before a deal with GSW goes down. The only assets I will sign off on at this point to be part of the deal is Covington and a future first round pick, but I'm not altogether sure the pick will be ours, which is where moving Teague and Dieng could come into play. A move to acquire additional assets for them seems reasonable since they don't really fit out timeline. You've had one big man go down yesterday with the Cousin's injury. If a couple more post players on playoff bound teams bite the bullet, a market could develop for Gorgui around the league.
Yes, we are like a loaded gun now. Technically Gupta can execute even complex trade, Rosas has good reputation around league and we have multiple cheap assest to operate: Bell, Vonleh, Layman, KBD, Okogie, Graham, Napier, Culver, Nowell, Reid + picks. I doubt that there might be a market for Dieng, but I think that there are some GMs are not as smart as Rosas. So there is always hope.
Macwolf527 wrote:Solely on visual performance, I would think this too, but Dieng's PER by year is not exactly terrible. He was at 18.17 in limited minutes last year. He's not the type of player that will move the needle, but he won't hurt you, and in cases of unexpected injuries, that's what teams are looking for to save their playoff hopes. We have to remember that with every passing moment, he's one step closer to being an expiring deal. He's not going to poison your locker room and he's a consistent shooter from 12-15 feet, so he will not clog the lane. He has value on a veteran team.
minimus wrote:https://youtu.be/AQr54Toq5eA
If Russell can learn some of these tricks in GSW he will reach a new level as defender
minimus wrote:The more I think about our current roster, more I think that it is constructed for DLo trade. Addition of Russell will allow us to use defensive minded players in our roster. I do think that same Ty Wallace could make impact as defensive minded wing in our rotation. Wallace, Okogie, Bell, Vonleh, Culver, KBD, Graham can all get minutes if Russell and KAT take care of our scoring and creating for others.
I might overlook Tyrone Wallace signing but he has high potential as a versatile defender at PG/SG/SF. Lack of size at PG has been an issue last season. Russell/Wallace/Nowell is a good solution to this problem. No more Teague-Rose, Rose-Tyus, Teague-Tyus struggles.
Unless GSW ask too much something like Teague, RoCo, FRP should be our initial offer. Steep price but 3.5yrs of team control.
KAT/Vonleh/Dieng + Reid
Bell/Layman/KBD
Layman/KBD/Graham + Martin
Wiggins/Culver/Okogie + Nowell
Russell/Wallace/Napier + McLaughlin