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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#41 » by SaintS » Thu Jul 4, 2019 8:30 am

All 3 years of the contract are guaranteed ?
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#42 » by packforfreedom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 10:43 am

I barely know Layman as a player. last season was his first with significant minutes. After watching some videos, I think he's aware cutter, with good hops and lenght. His shot motion looks okay. He doesn't take any midrange jumpers, which is good. His stats indicate that he's not a good passer or rebounder. Don't know about his defense. Could be some kind breakout year for him, given he gets minutes. Wouldn't want to use the MLE for him but for trade exeption I'm fine with it. At worst, he's an slightly positive asset and trade chip.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#43 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 11:13 am

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Overall, the 6-foot-9 forward is currently averaging 1.16 points per possession for Portland this season, per Synergy Sports Tech. Among all players who have finished at least 300 possessions, only eight have been more effective than Layman.


But what makes Layman so special is his prolific ability to finish near the basket. Heis averaging 1.47 points per possession on his cutters, which now ranks as the fourth-best (minimum: 60 attempts) in the NBA this season. If he is being guarded on the perimeter, he can blow by an opponent to the lane for an easy bucket.


The forward ranks in the 95th percentile on attempts within four feet of the basket, per Cleaning the Glass. He’s shooting 89-for-116 (76.7 percent) on his shots in the restricted area. Only two NBA players have been more accurate than Layman in this zone.


https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/23/portland-trail-blazers-jake-layman-scouting-report-analysis-interview/

These stats show why he was over 50% from the field despite shooting less than stellar from distance.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#44 » by Sinobas » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:52 pm

He looks like a good shooter because he's a tall skinny white guy, but his shot has a weird form, and he tends to make the bulk of them during a hot streak. If he were a good shooter, Portland would have kept him. If he suddenly gets that part of his game down though,he'll be a good rotational player.

I swear to god,the first time you see him intercept a pass and dribble it down the court for a dunk, you'll think you're watching an all-star. He looks like he could stuff his head in the rim.

He'd probably be better off as a 4 in some ways, but he's really skinny.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#45 » by Sinobas » Thu Jul 4, 2019 12:56 pm

This highlight video of Jake is more indicitive than the one with him shooting a bunch of 3s
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#46 » by Oden2 » Thu Jul 4, 2019 1:14 pm

I think layman has a shot break out and make Portland look foolish for not matching. I was hoping we’d keep him but I hope he does well in minny
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#47 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:35 pm

Sinobas wrote:He looks like a good shooter because he's a tall skinny white guy, but his shot has a weird form, and he tends to make the bulk of them during a hot streak. If he were a good shooter, Portland would have kept him. If he suddenly gets that part of his game down though,he'll be a good rotational player.

I swear to god,the first time you see him intercept a pass and dribble it down the court for a dunk, you'll think you're watching an all-star. He looks like he could stuff his head in the rim.

He'd probably be better off as a 4 in some ways, but he's really skinny.

I'm not a shooting expert, but I think his 3 point form looks real good. I don't see anything weird about it.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#48 » by packforfreedom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:59 pm

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Sinobas wrote:He looks like a good shooter because he's a tall skinny white guy, but his shot has a weird form, and he tends to make the bulk of them during a hot streak. If he were a good shooter, Portland would have kept him. If he suddenly gets that part of his game down though,he'll be a good rotational player.

I swear to god,the first time you see him intercept a pass and dribble it down the court for a dunk, you'll think you're watching an all-star. He looks like he could stuff his head in the rim.

He'd probably be better off as a 4 in some ways, but he's really skinny.

I'm not a shooting expert, but think his 3 point form looks real good. I don't see anything weird about it.


his release point is a bit low and he holds his shooting arm bends kind of sidewards so his elbow sticks out a bit, which makes it harder to shoot straight and have a repetetive shot. He doesn't have a pure shooting stroke by any means, but I think it's fluid enough to be a threat from out there.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#49 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 3:02 pm

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Sinobas wrote:He looks like a good shooter because he's a tall skinny white guy, but his shot has a weird form, and he tends to make the bulk of them during a hot streak. If he were a good shooter, Portland would have kept him. If he suddenly gets that part of his game down though,he'll be a good rotational player.

I swear to god,the first time you see him intercept a pass and dribble it down the court for a dunk, you'll think you're watching an all-star. He looks like he could stuff his head in the rim.

He'd probably be better off as a 4 in some ways, but he's really skinny.

I'm not a shooting expert, but think his 3 point form looks real good. I don't see anything weird about it.


his release point is a bit low and he holds his shooting arm bends kind of sidewards so his elbow sticks out a bit, which makes it harder to shoot straight and have a repetetive shot. He doesn't have a pure shooting stroke by any means, but I think it's fluid enough to be a threat from out there.

Doesn't look that way to me, but I'll take your word for it assuming you are a shooting expert. :D
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#50 » by packforfreedom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 3:06 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:I'm not a shooting expert, but think his 3 point form looks real good. I don't see anything weird about it.


his release point is a bit low and he holds his shooting arm bends kind of sidewards so his elbow sticks out a bit, which makes it harder to shoot straight and have a repetetive shot. He doesn't have a pure shooting stroke by any means, but I think it's fluid enough to be a threat from out there.

Doesn't look that way to me, but I'll take your word for it assuming you are a shooting expert. :D


I am not a shooting expert, but I think a know how a 'pure' jumpshot should look like. It's more important to be a good shooter than to have a good jump shot though. Having a good jump shot only makes it easier to become a good shooter.

Kevin Martin's jump shot is a nightmare for shootings coaches but it worked good enough
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#51 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 3:46 pm

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned, but I have to believe is that David Vanterpool being Layman's coach for his 3 year NBA career probably had a lot to do with Layman's selection.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#52 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 4, 2019 3:51 pm

KGdaBom wrote:One thing that I don't think has been mentioned, but I have to believe is that David Vanterpool being Layman's coach for his 3 year NBA career probably had a lot to do with Layman's selection.

That's something I've certainly noticed. Of all our additions so far, I believe Bell is the only one without a direct connection to someone on the coaching staff.

Vanterpool coached Layman and Vonleh in Portland.
Prigioni coached Napier and Graham in Brooklyn.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#53 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:00 pm

When you consider the cap spike of the past decade-plus, this isn't really all that different per-year from the deal Mark Madsen signed with us back in the day
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#54 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:05 pm

Klomp wrote:When you consider the cap spike of the past decade-plus, this isn't really all that different per-year from the deal Mark Madsen signed with us back in the day

Mark Madsen and his awesome 3 point stroke. :D :lol: .
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#55 » by Jedzz » Thu Jul 4, 2019 4:14 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:We are paying him almost 4 million a year. All the other players we got are 2 million or less. I don't see what makes him worth twice the pay the others are getting.

I think the fact that he plays a position of greater importance than the two bigs is part of it.

SF. Maybe. He's tall enough to play the PF. I know he has some potential, but so do so many other players. Here's hoping. Go Wolves.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#56 » by Dewey » Thu Jul 4, 2019 6:35 pm

Trending with 6'8" - 6'9" dudes ... 7 if we were to resign Deng for the vet minimum.
Layman ..... SF
Bell ......... PF/C
Vonleh ..... PF
KBD ........ SF/PF
Wiggins ... G/SF
RoCo ...... SF
Deng ...... G/SF

Tyus Teague Napier ... not a big fan of this group in terms of impact
Culver, Nowell, Okogie, Graham ... like this groups potential
Dieng, KAT ... adequate

Clearly looking to improve athleticism and rebounding, but still short on elite shooters. I do think Nowell could be a sleeper as a combo guard. Defensively, we could put a solid lineup on the floor. All in alliIt's quite a hodge-podge right now, and I don't know much about a handful of these guys or why they were available cheap. Might be an interesting weekend if are motivated to move any of Teague, Wiggins, Dieng and whether or not we sign Tyus...
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Post#57 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 4, 2019 7:34 pm

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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#58 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Jul 4, 2019 7:55 pm

Dewey wrote:Trending with 6'8" - 6'9" dudes ... 7 if we were to resign Deng for the vet minimum.
Layman ..... SF
Bell ......... PF/C
Vonleh ..... PF
KBD ........ SF/PF
Wiggins ... G/SF
RoCo ...... SF
Deng ...... G/SF

Tyus Teague Napier ... not a big fan of this group in terms of impact
Culver, Nowell, Okogie, Graham ... like this groups potential
Dieng, KAT ... adequate

Clearly looking to improve athleticism and rebounding, but still short on elite shooters. I do think Nowell could be a sleeper as a combo guard. Defensively, we could put a solid lineup on the floor. All in alliIt's quite a hodge-podge right now, and I don't know much about a handful of these guys or why they were available cheap. Might be an interesting weekend if are motivated to move any of Teague, Wiggins, Dieng and whether or not we sign Tyus...

Looks like the current NBA. We have a stud big to cause mismatches and then a bunch of guys to switch on the wing. Then next season try and get our future PG.
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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#59 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 4, 2019 10:25 pm

With the bench units we've had through the years, this kid will be a very welcome addition. In the past, we've gone on major slumps with the bench in the game. But this is a guy who can get hot in a hurry, as Portland fans have mentioned. In some ways, you could say it's like having Rose's scoring punch from last year but in a younger, cheaper body than Rose would've been this year.

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Re: Timberwolves sign Jake Layman (sign-and-trade w/Portland) 

Post#60 » by Slim Tubby » Thu Jul 4, 2019 10:32 pm

Layman really reminds me of a young Chase Budinger.


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