KGdaBom wrote:shrink wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I don't think to be an elite scorer requires being efficient. You just need to be one of the top ten in the league at something IMO to be elite at it. 21.1 gets him into a tie for 24th. IMO not elite unless one has a very loose take on the term.
Andrew Wiggins was 11th in scoring two years ago with 1933 points. Is he an elite scorer?
Was he top 10 that season? If so that season he was an elite scorer, but a very inefficient one. Now he's certainly not an elite scorer.
Well he can't be top ten if it was stated he was 11th.
This year Harden scored 2800+ pts and was #1.
Paul George was #2 with nearly 600+ less pts. 48/38/84
Paul George went from a 20th ranked scorer (1775) w/Pacers to #15 with OKC first yr, and then #2 second year (2159).
Meanwhile Westbrook went from #1(2500+) the last yr without PG, to 4th(2000+) first yr, and then to #18 (1675) this last yr.
Was Westbrook "falling off" because of age already? Or was he working around PG and helping to elevate PG? I don't know. Your thoughts?
James Harden is almost 50 days shy of 30 yrs old. In his 29th+ year of age he jumped his Points total over 600 pts. Why? Because his teamates were all getting injured and he needed to. So he not only had the opportunity for more shots, but they also needed him to. He went for 52/36/87, which really showed no drop at all in his averages irregardless the massive increase in attempts. +3.2 on threes, +1.2 on twos, and +1 on FTAs.
Westbrooks attempts dropped pretty hard when PG showed up. -3.1 on 3PAs, -2.3 on 2PAs this last yr, -1 to -4.2 FTAs since PG add.
I think what the "scoring" numbers and attempts are showing each year for these players is that it does matter who they are playing with, or not playing with, at a specific time. I'm fairly certain the same can be true for WIggins.
One difference with Wiggins and these scorers are that they have already reached actual Elite top 10 levels at some point or year. Wiggins has yet to really climb that mountain. This is what everyone already knew. They also know he's still only 24. If by some miracle Wiggins is still playing ball 6 years from now, it's possible he could be dropping 2200-2500 pt seasons. He's just not right now with those that have been around him and at his current experience level. It would be nice to have more patience if the owner didn't slap a Max on him so prematurely.