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A concern I have with Avdija is that he is very right-hand dominant, is uncomfortable shooting off of the catch, and his free-throw shooting is a problem that generally suggests difficulty in adjusting the NBA shooting wise.

Domejandro wrote:A concern I have with Avdija is that he is very right-hand dominant, is uncomfortable shooting off of the catch, and his free-throw shooting is a problem that generally suggests difficulty in adjusting the NBA shooting wise.

I think there is hope he can improve that shot. It doesn’t need to be broken and reformed. He used to have this weird leg kick out that seems to be corrected so hopefully if we were to draft him he could improve.

Domejandro wrote:A concern I have with Avdija is that he is very right-hand dominant, is uncomfortable shooting off of the catch, and his free-throw shooting is a problem that generally suggests difficulty in adjusting the NBA shooting wise.

These are legit concerns. At this time, I don't really see that legit 1 in this draft, all have concerns. If we can actually flip that pick and a player for legit starter, it is a win

Mattya wrote:

Domejandro wrote:A concern I have with Avdija is that he is very right-hand dominant, is uncomfortable shooting off of the catch, and his free-throw shooting is a problem that generally suggests difficulty in adjusting the NBA shooting wise.

I think there is hope he can improve that shot. It doesn’t need to be broken and reformed. He used to have this weird leg kick out that seems to be corrected so hopefully if we were to draft him he could improve.

--10th on his own team in FG%. 44% (4 attempts per game) Omri Caspi was 1st with 64%
--10th in 3pt % with 28% on 2 attempts per game.
--16th in FT% at 56% on less than 1 attempt per game. Omri Caspi was 15th with a true 56%, not rounded up. Amari Stoudemire was 1st @100% by hitting 4 of 4 in 6 games.

Deni played 26 games and averaged 4 pts. 30 assists total.

All numbers rounded up.

Let's talk 2nd round. Immanuel Quickley back up PG....buy or sell? 6'3 190, 6'8 wingspan, seems like good passer, decent athlete, good shooter...go!

Norseman79 wrote:Let's talk 2nd round. Immanuel Quickley back up PG....buy or sell? 6'3 190, 6'8 wingspan, seems like good passer, decent athlete, good shooter...go!

I don't really consider him a PG...

I just read they are planning a consolation tournament for the 8 non playoff teams. They mentioned maybe using lottery odds as an incentive, I think it would be interesting to give the winner the top pick. Would that be enough incentive for teams to play their best players, I think it would be wide open unless GS played both Curry and Thompson.

Klomp wrote:

Norseman79 wrote:Let's talk 2nd round. Immanuel Quickley back up PG....buy or sell? 6'3 190, 6'8 wingspan, seems like good passer, decent athlete, good shooter...go!

I don't really consider him a PG...

Got ya, I was just reading up on draft websites and they have him listed as one. What is your reasoning Klomo, you usually have good takes

Norseman79 wrote:

Klomp wrote:

Norseman79 wrote:Let's talk 2nd round. Immanuel Quickley back up PG....buy or sell? 6'3 190, 6'8 wingspan, seems like good passer, decent athlete, good shooter...go!

I don't really consider him a PG...

Got ya, I was just reading up on draft websites and they have him listed as one. What is your reasoning Klomo, you usually have good takes

He usually doesn't seem to care who is being proposed as a PG. Wiggins, Culver... Only height advantages. If he's a good passer and shooter i wouldn't be sure why he doesn't like Quickley at PG but maybe it's height.

I don't think we need another as long as we have DLo and Mclaughlin. But a second round pick would'nt hurt.

Fargofan5 wrote:I just read they are planning a consolation tournament for the 8 non playoff teams. They mentioned maybe using lottery odds as an incentive, I think it would be interesting to give the winner the top pick. Would that be enough incentive for teams to play their best players, I think it would be wide open unless GS played both Curry and Thompson.

If that was the case they certainly would play Curry/Thompson, AND WIGGINS!

It would definitely make it a fun tourney to follow,for sure it would be better than the summer leagues.

Jedzz wrote:He usually doesn't seem to care who is being proposed as a PG. Wiggins, Culver... Only height advantages. If he's a good passer and shooter i wouldn't be sure why he doesn't like Quickley at PG but maybe it's height.

You have no idea what I do or don't care about because I don't think you actually read my posts...at least you don't read them enough to understand them.

Can he initiate offense on some possessions at the NBA level? Probably. Does that make him an NBA caliber point guard, even as just a backup? Not likely. In all likelihood, he will be an off-the-bench off-ball shooter. His shooting is good enough to make him a first round draft pick. Is it good enough for him to establish a long NBA career, or will he go the way of college shooters Grayson Allen, John Jenkins and RJ Hunter who were all drafted in the first round because of their jumpers? Only time will tell.

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Jedzz wrote:He usually doesn't seem to care who is being proposed as a PG. Wiggins, Culver... Only height advantages. If he's a good passer and shooter i wouldn't be sure why he doesn't like Quickley at PG but maybe it's height.

You have no idea what I do or don't care about because I don't think you actually read my posts...at least you don't read them enough to understand them.

Can he initiate offense on some possessions at the NBA level? Probably. Does that make him an NBA caliber point guard, even as just a backup? Not likely. In all likelihood, he will be an off-the-bench off-ball shooter. His shooting is good enough to make him a first round draft pick. Is it good enough for him to establish a long NBA career, or will he go the way of college shooters Grayson Allen, John Jenkins and RJ Hunter who were all drafted in the first round because of their jumpers? Only time will tell.

I know the 3 is there, but sounds like the defense is as well. If he is backing up DLo and playing with Culver, wouldn't they be a good pai?

Norseman79 wrote:I know the 3 is there, but sounds like the defense is as well. If he is backing up DLo and playing with Culver, wouldn't they be a good pai?

It's possible. It certainly depends on how the staff wants to structure the roster and depth chart and how it decides to order its needs heading into the offseason.

My personal opinion is that they should bring in a third guard to act as a 6th man who can essentially back up both Russell and Beasley in a combo guard role (Edwards, Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Maxey, Anthony all fall into this category at varying degrees). In this situation, the fourth guard is McLaughlin to round out the perimeter rotation. In this scenario, I wouldn't see Quickley as much more than 5th in the rotation among the PG/SG group, and would probably spend most of the season in Iowa. He could maybe be the fourth guard if they decide McLaughlin is the third guard because they go forward-heavy early, but I don't believe that's the plan.

The "SF" spot to me right now seems to be more heavily defense-focused based on how rotations ran after the trades and is where Culver and Okogie slot in. If drafted, Okoro would fall into this category, and possibly Vassell. If someone is drafted in the first round, I believe they'd trade either Culver or Okogie unless they like Culver's offensive growth enough to move him to that third PG/SG slot.

At the PF position, we've seen guys who could maybe slot in at SF on other teams. Covington was that way before traded. Hernangomez was that way before the Wolves traded for him. Layman slots in here too somewhat. Shooting is important, but I believe the most important ability is defensive versatility, having the quickness to switch onto the perimeter in a switch-heavy scheme 1-4. This is the role guys like Avdija, Achiuwa, Williams and the Beys would slot into.

The center position is pretty self-explanatory, and also pretty filled. I think they like Reid as Towns' backup. If they decided for more defense to complement the offense-heavy guys already here, could choose Okongwu or Wiseman, but I think that'd only happen if they fell to the Brooklyn pick.

Klomp wrote:

Jedzz wrote:He usually doesn't seem to care who is being proposed as a PG. Wiggins, Culver... Only height advantages. If he's a good passer and shooter i wouldn't be sure why he doesn't like Quickley at PG but maybe it's height.

You have no idea what I do or don't care about because I don't think you actually read my posts...at least you don't read them enough to understand them.

Can he initiate offense on some possessions at the NBA level? Probably. Does that make him an NBA caliber point guard, even as just a backup? Not likely. In all likelihood, he will be an off-the-bench off-ball shooter. His shooting is good enough to make him a first round draft pick. Is it good enough for him to establish a long NBA career, or will he go the way of college shooters Grayson Allen, John Jenkins and RJ Hunter who were all drafted in the first round because of their jumpers? Only time will tell.

Geting a little defensive here. My intention wasn't to make fun of you. Only stating that it didn't make much sense to read you saying you didn't see that player being likely capable of even playing backup PG, given how thoroughly you defended why the team was going to choose to develop Culver as a PG. Not just as a developing player with uncertain yet position who might need the Gleague first, but an offense initiating, playmaking NBA PG starter that was too valuable and good to be placed in the Gleague. Oh yes I remember our dicusssions on that, and how you believed he was a better choice to play this season and it was better for Nowell to get stashed in G. Based on what exactly I never quite heard enough good reasoning for. Lot's of imagined hope I presumed. Although because I did read your posts I know height advantage and the versitility that brings was a big part of things you went deep into. Lot's of claims about playmaking I remember. I also assumed most people figured he had to be a PG or at least a combo creating guard, since there was really no proof his shooting was ever going to be NBA starting level and here he was a top 6 pick and the Wolves needed a PG. Then your insistance lately that Maxey, Quickly's teammate as surefire option for our top pick in the draft. Becuase why? Because his college coach allowed him to lead at PG for one year? Quickly might well have proof for being a better basketball player for the NBA level. He had a good offensive/defensive rating last season, he wasn't just a good college shooter.

Take that speech and stick Culver's or Maxey's name in instead of Quickly. At least when it comes to the statement/question about likelihood of him initiating offense in the NBA or being an NBA caliber point guard. If there is actually college level proof of Quickly's decent passing ability, good athlete, good shooter as Norseman stated, this might already make him somewhat more likely to succeed at the next level at holding down a position than Culver was. At least from the perspective of a second round pick and backup PG as was Norseman's proposal. But you can't even entertain the idea of that soft ceiling? Why? Because it's questionable whether he gets the predraft hype like Maxey is getting?

I don't even know much about Quickly aside from his numbers. Just his numbers, Norseman's suggestions about his ability, and that many places list him as coming into this draft as a PG. RealGM even lists him as a PG. Must all be clueless, because Klomp doesn't see even backup PG as a possibility in this instance. So glad you cleared that up. I see you soon on a high horse when the draft, I mean hype game, backs your theory. Of course three years later nobody ever gleams about their staunch draft predictions on these players.

I doubt we'll take him because we have JMac in a similar role, but I think this kid is going to have a long successful career. He would be a interesting pick in the 2nd if we went that route.

Is howard even getting drafted? He is really small and this is a PG heavy draft. Playing well in the ncaa tournament would have helped someone like him.

Neeva wrote:Is howard even getting drafted? He is really small and this is a PG heavy draft. Playing well in the ncaa tournament would have helped someone like him.

He'll probably be a second round pick, if I had to guess

Klomp wrote:I doubt we'll take him because we have JMac in a similar role, but I think this kid is going to have a long successful career. He would be a interesting pick in the 2nd if we went that route.

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Jedzz wrote:What do you guys think about Markus Howard? Could he transcend his size by leading with shooting? Not sure what could be said as a weakness offensively anyway. Size obviously defensively, but he doesn't have a terrible defensive rating in college.

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Interesting now that I've questioned your last years thoughts on height that you come back with this suggestion. But we are the only two I know of to bring up his name during this break that I know of at least.