Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Dewey]

I'm thinking Minnesota wouldn't mind moving the number one for a player or package of players that could help them sooner. How much would Orlando value the first pick and Okeke though? Would something like this even be considered by Orlando or is this an overpay?

Orlando out/Minnesota in: Gordon, Iwundo, rights to Chuma Okeke, and the 15th pick

Orlando in/Minnesota out: number 1 pick, James Johnson, Jared Vanderbilt, and Jake Layman

I would say a package around the #17 is a better fit for this player talent level in a trade package ... I like the concept but the #1 just does not fit this conversation IMO.

[Klomp]

Trade 2:

#1, Layman, Spellman, Evans to Knicks for #8, 2021 top 5 protected, 2021 Dallas pick.

I just want to use this proposal to say that I think this offseason may be the time to capitalize on Jake Layman's contract and the value it may hold. If we wait until the trade deadline or next offseason, I fear other teams will look at him as nothing more than an expiring contract (and not a super valuable one at that). I know those two sentences sound conflicting to those who only read words on the screen and don't take time to truly understand contracts, but it's how I see it.

That said, I personally like him a lot as a player and I think the team does too. Just saying that if there's a time to trade him, I think it would be this offseason.

[shrink]

I think our first trade should be to turn James Johnson into a big TPE from GSW. This prevents us from trading for intriguing players like Myles Turner or Aaron Gordon, but Johnson is not worth $16 mil, so this raises the trade value of the team. I can’t see us trading Johnson for anything of more value.

After that, I’d like to see us use the TPE in deals that eat other team’s money for assets. It’s possible we could see a team want to help their finances for 2020-21 because of losses from Covid. However, I think the greatest rewards would be for taking on two year deals. Lots of teams will be jockeying to increase their cap space for a very nice free agency class. If we take a two year deal, inheriting up to $36 mil, that should be good for a very nice asset.

[shrink]

Trade 2:

#1, Layman, Spellman, Evans to Knicks for #8, 2021 top 5 protected, 2021 Dallas pick.

I just want to use this proposal to say that I think this offseason may be the time to capitalize on Jake Layman's contract and the value it may hold. If we wait until the trade deadline or next offseason, I fear other teams will look at him as nothing more than an expiring contract (and not a super valuable one at that). I know those two sentences sound conflicting to those who only read words on the screen and don't take time to truly understand contracts, but it's how I see it.

That said, I personally like him a lot as a player and I think the team does too. Just saying that if there's a time to trade him, I think it would be this offseason.

I like him a lot too, and his willingness to make cuts should help. However, I think he needs to play a little to show GM’s he’s over the injury before his trade value rises.

[SO_MONEY]

I think our first trade should be to turn James Johnson into a big TPE from GSW. This prevents us from trading for intriguing players like Myles Turner or Aaron Gordon, but Johnson is not worth $16 mil, so this raises the trade value of the team. I can’t see us trading Johnson for anything of more value.

After that, I’d like to see us use the TPE in deals that eat other team’s money for assets. It’s possible we could see a team want to help their finances for 2020-21 because of losses from Covid. However, I think the greatest rewards would be for taking on two year deals. Lots of teams will be jockeying to increase their cap space for a very nice free agency class. If we take a two year deal, inheriting up to $36 mil, that should be good for a very nice asset.

I think that is a trade of last resort, not the first trade we should make.

[Jedzz]

Wolves need a forward like Jerami Grant/Crowder type.

James Johnson is almost perfect for us, but he doesn't fit the timeline.

So when that timeline some day gets here, they can go find one then. Like this coming year, Crowder should possibly be available even though I'm sure he wants to stay with Heat. There will be someone then, whenever that mystical timeline is.

[shrink]

I think our first trade should be to turn James Johnson into a big TPE from GSW. This prevents us from trading for intriguing players like Myles Turner or Aaron Gordon, but Johnson is not worth $16 mil, so this raises the trade value of the team. I can’t see us trading Johnson for anything of more value.

After that, I’d like to see us use the TPE in deals that eat other team’s money for assets. It’s possible we could see a team want to help their finances for 2020-21 because of losses from Covid. However, I think the greatest rewards would be for taking on two year deals. Lots of teams will be jockeying to increase their cap space for a very nice free agency class. If we take a two year deal, inheriting up to $36 mil, that should be good for a very nice asset.

I think that is a trade of last resort, not the first trade we should make.

It is such an increase in trade value.

For example, a sign-and-trade for Jerami Grant with penny-pinching DEN is a lot more appealing to them with #17 (we absorb the salary), rather than Johnson’s $16 mil deal and #17.

Grant is a complimentary type player, an excellent one, but not a guy that’s getting a $20 mil deal, especially this year. I could see him opting out of his $9 mil PO for a deal starting at $15 or $16, and DEN doing a sign and trade.

[SO_MONEY]

I think our first trade should be to turn James Johnson into a big TPE from GSW. This prevents us from trading for intriguing players like Myles Turner or Aaron Gordon, but Johnson is not worth $16 mil, so this raises the trade value of the team. I can’t see us trading Johnson for anything of more value.

After that, I’d like to see us use the TPE in deals that eat other team’s money for assets. It’s possible we could see a team want to help their finances for 2020-21 because of losses from Covid. However, I think the greatest rewards would be for taking on two year deals. Lots of teams will be jockeying to increase their cap space for a very nice free agency class. If we take a two year deal, inheriting up to $36 mil, that should be good for a very nice asset.

I think that is a trade of last resort, not the first trade we should make.

It is such an increase in trade value.

For example, a sign-and-trade with DEN for Jerami Grant is a lot more appealing to them with #17, rather than Johnson’s $16 mil deal and #17.

Maybe, but it assumes Grant could be fit into it, on top of that I wouldn't pay him that much. Nah. Trading Johnson to GS is about the last trade I would make in the order of operations. Johnson is valuable to us in the same way he is valuable to GS, perhaps more so as he is the only salary ballast we have.

[IceManBK1]

Idk guys Jae Crowder seems kinda trash. Missed a lot of open 3s in this series. Might b the only guy within our budget though

[Neeva]

Idk guys Jae Crowder seems kinda trash. Missed a lot of open 3s in this series. Might b the only guy within our budget though

His defense is bad as well.

[IceManBK1]

Idk guys Jae Crowder seems kinda trash. Missed a lot of open 3s in this series. Might b the only guy within our budget though

His defense is bad as well.

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

[Neeva]

Idk guys Jae Crowder seems kinda trash. Missed a lot of open 3s in this series. Might b the only guy within our budget though

His defense is bad as well.

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

if wolves get him and draft Edwards/Ball there is no need for Beasley and one of Culver or Okogie. maybe trade Beasley for Gordon?

[IceManBK1]

His defense is bad as well.

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

if wolves get him and draft Edwards/Ball there is no need for Beasley and one of Culver or Okogie. maybe trade Beasley for Gordon?

We can get gordon regardless what we do at the SG position. JJ, Culver+17 will be enough. I hope we keep Beasley as 6th man though.

Dlo
Edwards
Harris
Gordon
Towns

Deepen the bench and we're good.

[Neeva]

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

if wolves get him and draft Edwards/Ball there is no need for Beasley and one of Culver or Okogie. maybe trade Beasley for Gordon?

We can get gordon regardless what we do at the SG position. JJ, Culver+17 will be enough. I hope we keep Beasley as 6th man though.

Dlo
Edwards
Harris
Gordon
Towns

Deepen the bench and we're good.

That’s not enough that is simply too much Rosass pass if orlando asks for that... sign a cheaper pf instead Jones Jr?

[jscott]

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

if wolves get him and draft Edwards/Ball there is no need for Beasley and one of Culver or Okogie. maybe trade Beasley for Gordon?

We can get gordon regardless what we do at the SG position. JJ, Culver+17 will be enough. I hope we keep Beasley as 6th man though.

Dlo
Edwards
Harris
Gordon
Towns

Deepen the bench and we're good.

Take out Culver and I’d consider it. With Culver that’s an easy pass for me.

[Jedzz]

Idk guys Jae Crowder seems kinda trash. Missed a lot of open 3s in this series. Might b the only guy within our budget though

His defense is bad as well.

We need to go after Joe Harris he's a light out shooter from 3. No teams dare to leave him open.

Why? All you Beasley to 6th man people can't make two three pt wizards into 6th men.

I would like them to go after Joe Harris to continue stocking up shooters for this Rosas/Ryan offense. Wonder if they could get a sign/trade if they offer up Johnson and one of the later picks. Wolves have to start skating around this cap thing.

[shrink]

I saw an interesting fan trade on another site. I’m modifying it, It still doesn’t fit financially, and I still wouldn’t do it if it did, but it might make for an interesting discussion.

MIN GIVES: Towns and Russell
MIN GETS: Jaylen Brown, Theis, Isaac, Fultz, #15, #16, picks, Aminu

BOS GIVES: Jaylen Brown, Kemba Walker, Theis, #16, picks
BOS GETS: Towns and Russell

ORL GIVES: Isaac, Fultz, Aminu, #15
ORL GETS: Kemba

First, I don’t do this because it’s too hard for a team like MIN to find a star like Towns, and he’s locked in for years. However, if we wanted to rebuild, some deal like this actually gives us multiple spots to find a new star, plus clears he way for Wiseman.

BOS moves forward younger, with Towns, Tatum and Russell, and ORL tries to win now, finally adding a star, who can help their offense.

[Baseline81]

I saw an interesting fan trade on another site. I’m modifying it, It still doesn’t fit financially, and I still wouldn’t do it if it did, but it might make for an interesting discussion.

MIN GIVES: Towns and Russell
MIN GETS: Jaylen Brown, Theis, Isaac, Fultz, #15, #16, picks, Aminu

BOS GIVES: Jaylen Brown, Kemba Walker, Theis, #16, picks
BOS GETS: Towns and Russell

ORL GIVES: Isaac, Fultz, Aminu, #15
ORL GETS: Kemba

First, I don’t do this because it’s too hard for a team like MIN to find a star like Towns, and he’s locked in for years. However, if we wanted to rebuild, some deal like this actually gives us multiple spots to find a new star, plus clears he way for Wiseman.

BOS moves forward younger, with Towns, Tatum and Russell, and ORL tries to win now, finally adding a star, who can help their offense.

I understand your interests in hypothetical trades, but to suggest Rosas deals Russell and Towns without giving the duo a full season together seems a little too far-fetched.

[shangrila]

If anyone cares, here's an update from that Hawks insider;

Indy/Minny

It seems like a major breakdown has happened with Indy/Minny due to the inclusion of T.J. Warren. Seems like they do not want to move him if they move Turner and it doesn't seem up for discussion. This one hurt Minny because the LaMelo Ball trade up market is now nil for the value Minny sees as proper value and it seems like they will be stuck at #1. He said, watch for them to look at Deni, Obi, Anthony, LaMelo, Oyneka, and Tyrese.

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/431653-ask-supes/page/195/#comments

Which just sucks. Turner/Warren would have been amazing but it's that last part that gets me. We might be overvaluing this pick and good god do I not want to be the team that winds up with Ball, even if it's only short term.

[_AIJ_]

If anyone cares, here's an update from that Hawks insider;

Indy/Minny

It seems like a major breakdown has happened with Indy/Minny due to the inclusion of T.J. Warren. Seems like they do not want to move him if they move Turner and it doesn't seem up for discussion. This one hurt Minny because the LaMelo Ball trade up market is now nil for the value Minny sees as proper value and it seems like they will be stuck at #1. He said, watch for them to look at Deni, Obi, Anthony, LaMelo, Oyneka, and Tyrese.

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/431653-ask-supes/page/195/#comments

Which just sucks. Turner/Warren would have been amazing but it's that last part that gets me. We might be overvaluing this pick and good god do I not want to be the team that winds up with Ball, even if it's only short term.

I would do that deal with Warren/Turner in a heartbeat. idk why Indiana would do it though.