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You have to admit though that Gordon was seen as the face as the magic a few years ago and as“untouchable” and is not anymore.

This draft is seen as weak at the top but there are many intriguing prospects in the late teens. I am treating the 17th as the wolves 2021 pick (since they currently do not own any) so will be happy with Terrell/Maxey/Pokusevski at 17 who will probably need a few years to develop.
The 2021 draft seems stronger at the top and then a major drop off after the lottery.

“Interest” in a player is not value. Rosas reportedly has talked to all 29 teams before the deadline, often many many times. Our best local sportswriter said that Aaron Gordon was discussed. However, he quickly went on to say that Rosas talks about so many players, that there is no steam to those discussions. He also mentioned that other teams spread the meeting around, to try to drum up interest, so expect a lot of players linked to MIN.

Every few years, we have a guy like you pop up, claiming that everybody is biased about players on his team. Believe me, we are not taking the time to collide against your favorite players. If you don’t want other people’s opinions, I would suggest not straying from the Magic fan board, where you can all pat yourselves on the back agreeing with how valuable all your guys are, as you roll to another .500 record (yike 33-40 this year) and a quick exit from the playoffs.

shrink wrote:“Interest” in a player is not value. Rosas reportedly has talked to all 29 teams before the deadline, often many many times. Our best local sportswriter said that Aaron Gordon was discussed. However, he quickly went on to say that Rosas talks about so many players, that there is no steam to those discussions. He also mentioned that other teams spread the meeting around, to try to drum up interest, so expect a lot of players linked to MIN.

Every few years, we have a guy like you pop up, claiming that everybody is biased about players on his team. Believe me, we are not taking the time to collide against your favorite players. If you don’t want other people’s opinions, I would suggest not straying from the Magic fan board, where you can all pat yourselves on the back agreeing with how valuable all your guys are, as you roll to another .500 record (yike 33-40 this year) and a quick exit from the playoffs.

I didn't say everyone was biased against the Magic. I said one poster, Texas Chuck, admits he is biased against AG.

I notice you don't have any proof for your claims nor against the fact that several teams are reported to be connected to AG, so I am going to end it here.

If you decide to move away from personal and team based attacks and towards discussion and facts, hit me up.

Again, “connected” to a player is no indication of specific value. Not sure how you think “connected” or “interested” must mean “higher than 17.”

I will add though that here at RealGM, we all have our own ideas on trade value, and my ideas don’t always agree with everyone else’s. And that’s fine - in fact, it sometimes is better than fine, because we have different discussions on our reasoning to arrive at our opinion. Heck, you can see it right in this thread - even within our fanbase, we embrace lots of different opinions of AaronGordon’s value and fit. I will say though that in all the years I’ve been here, all the differences I’ve had, that I have never dismissed anyone’s opinion by calling them “biased,” or claim that a board full of people “aren’t neutral.” That’s disrespecting those posters, and the time they took to post.

I apologize if I came on too strong, but that’s what wound me up.

shrink wrote:Again, “connected” to a player is no indication of specific value. Not sure how you think “connected” or “interested” must mean “higher than 17.”

I will add though that here at RealGM, we all have our own ideas on trade value, and my ideas don’t always agree with everyone else’s. And that’s fine - in fact, it sometimes is better than fine, because we have different discussions on our reasoning to arrive at our opinion. Heck, you can see it right in this thread - even within our fanbase, we embrace lots of different opinions of AaronGordon’s value and fit. I will say though that in all the years I’ve been here, all the differences I’ve had, that I have never dismissed anyone’s opinion by calling them “biased,” or claim that a board full of people “aren’t neutral.” That’s disrespecting those posters, and the time they took to post.

I apologize if I came on too strong, but that’s what wound me up.

You still aren't representing what I said correctly, so I will say it again:

I don't think the whole of the boards are wholly biased, I said they are less likely to be representative or accurate compared to that of the professionals.

Ducklett wrote:

shrink wrote:Again, “connected” to a player is no indication of specific value. Not sure how you think “connected” or “interested” must mean “higher than 17.”

I will add though that here at RealGM, we all have our own ideas on trade value, and my ideas don’t always agree with everyone else’s. And that’s fine - in fact, it sometimes is better than fine, because we have different discussions on our reasoning to arrive at our opinion. Heck, you can see it right in this thread - even within our fanbase, we embrace lots of different opinions of AaronGordon’s value and fit. I will say though that in all the years I’ve been here, all the differences I’ve had, that I have never dismissed anyone’s opinion by calling them “biased,” or claim that a board full of people “aren’t neutral.” That’s disrespecting those posters, and the time they took to post.

I apologize if I came on too strong, but that’s what wound me up.

You still aren't representing what I said correctly, so I will say it again:

I don't think the whole of the boards are wholly biased, I said they are less likely to be representative or accurate compared to that of the professionals.

Right...and you are representative of the professionals. Okay. Got it.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:

shrink wrote:Again, “connected” to a player is no indication of specific value. Not sure how you think “connected” or “interested” must mean “higher than 17.”

I will add though that here at RealGM, we all have our own ideas on trade value, and my ideas don’t always agree with everyone else’s. And that’s fine - in fact, it sometimes is better than fine, because we have different discussions on our reasoning to arrive at our opinion. Heck, you can see it right in this thread - even within our fanbase, we embrace lots of different opinions of AaronGordon’s value and fit. I will say though that in all the years I’ve been here, all the differences I’ve had, that I have never dismissed anyone’s opinion by calling them “biased,” or claim that a board full of people “aren’t neutral.” That’s disrespecting those posters, and the time they took to post.

I apologize if I came on too strong, but that’s what wound me up.

You still aren't representing what I said correctly, so I will say it again:

I don't think the whole of the boards are wholly biased, I said they are less likely to be representative or accurate compared to that of the professionals.

Right...and you are representative of the professionals. Okay. Got it.

I didn't say that either. That is why I spoke to what I read from professionals. You guys are being silly.

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:
You still aren't representing what I said correctly, so I will say it again:

I don't think the whole of the boards are wholly biased, I said they are less likely to be representative or accurate compared to that of the professionals.

Right...and you are representative of the professionals. Okay. Got it.

I didn't say that either. That is why I spoke to what I read from professionals. You guys are being silly.

Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
Right...and you are representative of the professionals. Okay. Got it.

I didn't say that either. That is why I spoke to what I read from professionals. You guys are being silly.

Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

Professional sports writers, commentators, and scouts aren't going to tell us what is going on? Woah! You may want to contact ESPN and tell them WOJ is conning them of money!

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:
I didn't say that either. That is why I spoke to what I read from professionals. You guys are being silly.

Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

Professional sports writers, commentators, and scouts aren't going to tell us what is going on? Woah! You may want to contact ESPN and tell them WOJ is conning them of money!

I said my piece. You have demonstrated you are not providing the valued opinions by high human capital individuals I referenced and as such you are not worth anything further.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

Professional sports writers, commentators, and scouts aren't going to tell us what is going on? Woah! You may want to contact ESPN and tell them WOJ is conning them of money!

I said my piece. You have demonstrated you are not providing the valued opinions by high human capital individuals I referenced and as such you are not worth anything further.

Don't play the law, play the man. Shocker you go to personal insults. Sincerely, I am shocked.

Ducklett wrote:[ The worst offender of this is Texas Chuck. And he free admits his bias against AG in pretty much every thread. .

Bias? If you mean I am clear in all the Gordon threads that I don't see him as particularly valuable, then sure guilty.
I don't think you understand what bias is. Me not liking a player as much as you isn't bias. It's simply a different evaluation.

But appreciate the shout out I guess.

I’m with Chuck on this.

Not liking a player is not bias.

It is a difference of opinion.

Neeva wrote:Gordon is a player on steep decline in value, I don’t see that changing without a change of scenery.

Yes, he is. He's good, not great.

Neeva wrote:Gordon is a player on steep decline in value, I don’t see that changing without a change of scenery.

YES! He is. I like him but I wouldn't give much. Okogie, maybe Culver but the money won't match up.

Would rather sign DJJr if free agency than trade the assets Magic fans are demanding for Gordon.

Nick K wrote:

Neeva wrote:Gordon is a player on steep decline in value, I don’t see that changing without a change of scenery.

YES! He is. I like him but I wouldn't give much. Okogie, maybe Culver but the money won't match up.

Fultz is a non-shooter, that's why I think a non-shooters Okogie/Culver have little value to ORL, while they have a lot of value as defenders for us. I think Nowell might fit a lot better in ORL.

minimus wrote:

Nick K wrote:

Neeva wrote:Gordon is a player on steep decline in value, I don’t see that changing without a change of scenery.

YES! He is. I like him but I wouldn't give much. Okogie, maybe Culver but the money won't match up.

Fultz is a non-shooter, that's why I think a non-shooters Okogie/Culver have little value to ORL, while they have a lot of value as defenders for us. I think Nowell might fit a lot better in ORL.

Not including Nowell in a Gordon deal, high hopes for him. #17 and JJ + future protected 2nd is as high as I go. They can also have Evans if they want...not that they would. It is up to them.

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Ducklett wrote:
I didn't say that either. That is why I spoke to what I read from professionals. You guys are being silly.

Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

Professional sports writers, commentators, and scouts aren't going to tell us what is going on? Woah! You may want to contact ESPN and tell them WOJ is conning them of money!

For the record , I'm a MN fan...like AG's game and would be open to making a deal for him.

I see both arguments...Magic have done him no favors & there's plenty of questions about him as well just drive, etc?

But I do think, however most MN fans are going to be extremely upset if we make a deal for him...cause I think it will cost significantly more than what most would prefer to pay. Small ball 4s or big bodied wings (@ least on the defensive side) with that kind of athleticism...just won't come cheap....fool's gold trade--maybe? But the price will be significant imo?

I'm probably now leaning more towards being the 3rd team in helping facilitate & getting some marginal win.

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old school 34 wrote:

Ducklett wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
Professionals are not going to tell you, the public or for the most part other professionals what they really think, that is their job. You're being silly. You have no idea what anyone thinks just the same as the rest of us, but information can be gauged and weighted and insights gleaned by public perception especially those individuals with high level human capital and corresponding experience.

Professional sports writers, commentators, and scouts aren't going to tell us what is going on? Woah! You may want to contact ESPN and tell them WOJ is conning them of money!

For the record , I'm a MN fan...like AG's game and would be open to making a deal for him.

I see both arguments...Magic have done him no favors & there's plenty of questions about him as well just drive, etc?

But I do think, however most MN fans are going to be extremely upset if we make a deal for him...cause I think it will cost significantly more than what most would prefer to pay. Small ball 4s or big bodied wings (@ least on the defensive side) with that kind of athleticism...just won't come cheap....fool's gold trade--maybe? But the price will be significant imo?

I'm probably now leaning more towards being the 3rd team in helping facilitate & getting some marginal win.

Sent from my SM-G973U using RealGM mobile app

I strongly disagree. I don't think he has much value. Relatively speaking. He absolutely can get a pick just outside the lottery, but not much more than that. To me that is a pretty good return for a guy like him. And if you add an expiring to match and maybe a future second you are in the ballpark of what any team would offer. The question is if ORL trades him or not. I could see it either way.