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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1481 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jan 5, 2021 9:56 pm

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Norseman79 wrote:This organization has done enough for Kat, if he can't see that and still isn't happy, then trade his prima donna ass.


Where is this coming from? Guy say something I don't know about? Or is this in people's heads right now?


Not at all, I am referring to the people who think we need to make a trade to keep him happy, or to get him a mentor. He is beyond that and paid as such. He should be the mentor. He should be on his teammates for underperforming, including his boy DLo. Maybe he is, who knows. But to think he needs to be kept happy by trading for someone like Horford and what he costs, no thank you. You know what would make Towns happy? Winning.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1482 » by Jedzz » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:08 am

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Norseman79 wrote:This organization has done enough for Kat, if he can't see that and still isn't happy, then trade his prima donna ass.


Where is this coming from? Guy say something I don't know about? Or is this in people's heads right now?


Not at all, I am referring to the people who think we need to make a trade to keep him happy, or to get him a mentor. He is beyond that and paid as such. He should be the mentor. He should be on his teammates for underperforming, including his boy DLo. Maybe he is, who knows. But to think he needs to be kept happy by trading for someone like Horford and what he costs, no thank you. You know what would make Towns happy? Winning.


As far as I knew, these people were actually talking about trading Dlo to get Horford, because they are haters of Dlo. They, like you, have missed my ten thousand posts on this subject explaining why Dlo wasn't being allowed to play as himself and instead everyone else was being asked to initiate while he was out there instead of play off ball and move off ball to play with other PGs. Or maybe nobody believes me. They all were being point guards in their heads and honestly I doubt that's done with. Their sales work probably continues. But hopefully they enjoyed the third quarter Dlo moment last game and want more of that finally.

As for this Horford for Dlo trade they were selling lately in this thread, that's where what Towns feels comes into the equation, because we just got Dlo as one of a trio of players that might want to play together and if you trade him out already Towns will most likely start asking for his out. I believe that's why Towns comes up in this. Not that he's begging for Horford over Dlo. But both Dlo and Towns wanted more established players brought in, not a bunch of new draft rookies again. Just like Giannis is doing over in Milwaukee, they want to play with players that can already play, not project development players that nets them another 3 years of losing before it gets better.

I just wish this team could locate players that can already play from the ranks of the undrafted. Because they exist and you could build whole teams with those out there, or at least fill holes with these players ready to give you something now. If only they were both capable of finding them and then willing to play them regardless of how they entered the league. I see you Heat.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1483 » by Killboard » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:35 am

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Jedzz wrote:
Where is this coming from? Guy say something I don't know about? Or is this in people's heads right now?


Not at all, I am referring to the people who think we need to make a trade to keep him happy, or to get him a mentor. He is beyond that and paid as such. He should be the mentor. He should be on his teammates for underperforming, including his boy DLo. Maybe he is, who knows. But to think he needs to be kept happy by trading for someone like Horford and what he costs, no thank you. You know what would make Towns happy? Winning.


As far as I knew, these people were actually talking about trading Dlo to get Horford, because they are haters of Dlo. They, like you, have missed my ten thousand posts on this subject explaining why Dlo wasn't being allowed to play as himself and instead everyone else was being asked to initiate while he was out there instead of play off ball and move off ball to play with other PGs. They all were being point guards in their heads and honestly I doubt that's done with. Their sales work probably continues. But hopefully they enjoyed the third quarter Dlo moment last game and want more of that finally.

As for this Horford for Dlo trade they were selling lately in this thread, that's where what Towns feels comes into the equation, because we just got Dlo as one of a trio of players that might want to play together and if you trade him out already Towns will most likely start asking for his out. I believe that's why Towns comes up in this. Not that he's begging for Horford over Dlo. But both Dlo and Towns wanted more established players brought in, not a bunch of new draft rookies again. Just like Giannis is doing over in Milwaukee, they want to play with players that can already play, not developing to one day play right.


That's on point. People forgets like Thibodeu refused to trade Butler after he asked to be traded when the series against Houston ended. Thibs didn't do anything about it then Bulter started to act like a child, getting an Interview with national media to say he beat their teamates in a practice? Cmon. He throwed his teamates under the bus because the front office didn't care about his supermax extension coming in. Jimmy is a great player, he found good partners in Bam and Spoelstra. Funny thing is Butler&Bam won the same % of games last year when both played than KAT&Butler when both played that season, and against a harder conference.

But yes, Dlo isn't looking good. And he knows it. KAT knows it. The FO knows it. He looks non chalant out there like if he does not care. But that's not the case. He does. He has been talking to his teamates in game constantly, and after games he has kept all doors in. The wolves are very young, the youngest roster in the league. They lost his all star player (who got injured for trying to posterize Gobbert in a non called foul - soft ?-), lost their best defender, Juancho and Layman (two of the others relatively experienced players) aren't finding any rythm. Ed davis who was brought in to be a calming presence hasnt played in almost two years.

And yet, Dlo is getting all the blame. Yes, he has played really bad. But the notion he is this bad is outrageous. It's a combination of youth, injuries and bad form from their experienced players which is making the team look bad. And throw coaching inexperience on it as well.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1484 » by Jedzz » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:40 am

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1485 » by Norseman79 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:27 am

I have no prob with DLo, I have no prob with a majority of the roster, there is no excuse for it to not be more competitive...except coaching, rotations, and style of play
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1486 » by Guidus88 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 9:16 am

Neeva wrote:
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Wolveswin wrote:Wiggins would really help OKC and Presti tank...

OKC: Horford + Pokusevski + Return of 2021 Warriors 1st + As many owed 1sts as Rosas can get from Presti.
FOR
Wiggins
Wiseman

Warriors: Wiggins + Wiseman + 2021 1st (unprotected) + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022&2023 1st Swap (unprotected)
FOR
Towns
Beasley

Wolves: Towns + Beasley
FOR
Horford
Pokusevski
2021 Wolves 1st (returned)
2021 Warriors 1st (unprotected)
2022&2023 Warriors 1st Swap (unprotected)
For Starters: 2021 & 2024 Rockets 1st (if no Harden could be juicy)

I am fine with not building around another center (Wiseman) in a guard/wing centric NBA. Let Horford hold down fort and earn back some value.
Horford | Reid
Pokusevski | Hernangomez
Culver | Layman
Edwards | Russell | Okogie
Rubio* | Russell
*Shop Rubio for assets, let Russell lead tank for 2021. Maybe in a year+ putting up empty high usage stats Russell can be dealt for assets.


Easy no for me.

We are not trading our two best player, and a franchise player, for a couple of picks, a potential bust and a bad contract.



I can see the warriors being interested in Kat in his prime to play along Curry and Klay in their twilight seasons.
But i wouldn’t want wiseman he is mobile
but does not rebound and looks lost defensively. I would want Evan Mobley as our center of the future.
So maybe send Wiseman to Memphis for their 2021 pick (lightly protect e and Clarke?)
The big prize is getting our 2022 pick back and hopefully it turns into Chet Holmgren or Emoni Bates players that can be better than KAT in the long run but who the warriors can’t wait for since they need to win NOW.

KAT to warriors
Wiseman to Memphis
Clark, 2021 memphis mid lotto pick, wolves pick returned,2021 warrior frp (late pick), 2022 warriors frp (late pick), filler


I like it. It’s very similar to the trade I posted few days ago.

Considering Culver + edwards potential this could be a fast rebuilt.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1487 » by DaMplsKid » Wed Jan 6, 2021 2:59 pm

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Jedzz wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:This organization has done enough for Kat, if he can't see that and still isn't happy, then trade his prima donna ass.


Where is this coming from? Guy say something I don't know about? Or is this in people's heads right now?


Not at all, I am referring to the people who think we need to make a trade to keep him happy, or to get him a mentor. He is beyond that and paid as such. He should be the mentor. He should be on his teammates for underperforming, including his boy DLo. Maybe he is, who knows. But to think he needs to be kept happy by trading for someone like Horford and what he costs, no thank you. You know what would make Towns happy? Winning.


I personally didn't bring up a mentor factor when bring up Horford. I always said I wouldn't do it with that salary. I simple stated that he would be an ideal fit if the salary wasn't so large. Again he plays great defense still, rebounds, set screens, have experience, and is on a team that wants to rebuild so should be willing to move any assets at a lower value.

Now onto Kat and the team. We should be trying to build around him which I feel like Rosas has done a decent job give what he had. We should be making moves that fit with Towns, make him the best player he can be and also make him happy. I agree Towns should be our leader and hold the teammates accountable but, you can't do that while not playing because of injury and then also adding the emotional baggage Towns is dealing with. There aren't any boarder line playoff team (6-10 seed) that can lose their best player and continue to win.

If the joker went out Den would be screwed, Mitchel out Utah screwed, Lillard out Portland screwed, Luca out Dallas screwed. There are very few team that can lose their best player and the center to their offense and still be successful.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1488 » by Jedzz » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:17 pm

DaMplsKid wrote:If the joker went out Den would be screwed, Mitchel out Utah screwed, Lillard out Portland screwed, Luca out Dallas screwed. There are very few team that can lose their best player and the center to their offense and still be successful.


True and yet not true. Everyone is replaceable. If not, there would never be teams after these individuals times. As you said prior, the team is building around these players so in that way no, they likely can't win well without them. But that doesn't mean they can't win well playing the right way for who is left on the court. They certainly can.
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How quickly things fall apart also begs the question if they actually have built correctly around him in the first place. Because if they have, and if they have a backup in place that supposedly mirrors Towns (at a lessor amount), it shouldn't devolve into something indistinguishable from pond hockey on a basketball court. More obviously they maybe did not build correctly around Towns, and it was simply his level and amount of skills that allowed them to occasionally win. And as we've seen so far with Rosas, the team doesn't even win that much with Towns. Unless we want to claim the first game or two this season being wins meant we had something solid going before he went down instead of more of the same as we saw the season prior with early season wins...the team just beingg so different they were able to beat opponents who had no idea what they were coming up against yet.

Towns comes back and we will again have his talent/skills range to lean on and he can help make this mess work sometimes. Of course if it goes back to how they started the season we will also have Dlo struggling and Edwards/Culver and now also Beasley initiating offense and maybe both Dlo/Rubio will struggle. We can only hope Towns can carry this mess that remains now or that the team has learned some lessons with all it's experimenting while he was out.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1489 » by Dewey » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:25 pm

DaMplsKid wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
Where is this coming from? Guy say something I don't know about? Or is this in people's heads right now?


Not at all, I am referring to the people who think we need to make a trade to keep him happy, or to get him a mentor. He is beyond that and paid as such. He should be the mentor. He should be on his teammates for underperforming, including his boy DLo. Maybe he is, who knows. But to think he needs to be kept happy by trading for someone like Horford and what he costs, no thank you. You know what would make Towns happy? Winning.


I personally didn't bring up a mentor factor when bring up Horford. I always said I wouldn't do it with that salary. I simple stated that he would be an ideal fit if the salary wasn't so large. Again he plays great defense still, rebounds, set screens, have experience, and is on a team that wants to rebuild so should be willing to move any assets at a lower value.

Now onto Kat and the team. We should be trying to build around him which I feel like Rosas has done a decent job give what he had. We should be making moves that fit with Towns, make him the best player he can be and also make him happy. I agree Towns should be our leader and hold the teammates accountable but, you can't do that while not playing because of injury and then also adding the emotional baggage Towns is dealing with. There aren't any boarder line playoff team (6-10 seed) that can lose their best player and continue to win.

If the joker went out Den would be screwed, Mitchel out Utah screwed, Lillard out Portland screwed, Luca out Dallas screwed. There are very few team that can lose their best player and the center to their offense and still be successful.


Ya it always seems like we are chasing hypotheticals ... as frustrating as these injuries are, we obviously need KAT back. In the mean time, the opportunities are as good as they're ever gonna be for players to show they can step up.

Right now if KAT returned, I would be looking real hard at JV next to him. He just seems to fit the role we need next to him ... rebound, pass, energy, and respectable defense. Hernangomez or Layman still need to show some consistency, otherwise, I see no reason not to engage McDaniels in a small (but consistent) role to get better feel for his positional strengths & weaknesses. We know we'll likely need to swap out a couple players to balance roster, but thats a story it's own and will likely be a situation where we become a 3rd or 4th team in a bigger trade. With our struggle, I dont see us in a big trade market.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1490 » by Jedzz » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:36 pm

Trade Edwards or Culver. For future picks and nothing much more, idc. Help this roster construction now and recoup some leverage in future drafts. Get an average Vet SF/PF to add to the rotation at minimum that you can rely on mixing in, idc, just not another guard or wimpy dude. For edwards or culver that means a 9/10 million or 6 million range trade asset we need to find. Who cares if it's expiring, they can toss in pick(s).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1491 » by DaMplsKid » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:44 pm

Jedzz wrote:
DaMplsKid wrote:If the joker went out Den would be screwed, Mitchel out Utah screwed, Lillard out Portland screwed, Luca out Dallas screwed. There are very few team that can lose their best player and the center to their offense and still be successful.


True and yet not true. Everyone is replaceable. If not, there would never be teams after these individuals times. As you said prior, the team is building around these players so in that way no, they likely can't win well without them. But that doesn't mean they can't win well playing the right way for who is left on the court. They certainly can.


Really? Playing the right way these team could still win??? I don't think so at least not at a high level or for a longer sample size. Sure team can maybe play well and win a few games but if these type of players are out for a season those team would not make the playoffs. The NBA is a Stars game and we need Stars to win and that will never change. Look at the Spurs right now. A team known for always playing the "right way" and they can't make the playoffs. Now remove DeRozan on top of that and see how they fair. Come on look around the league, all roster are thin when it comes to superstar/difference makers like I said before very few of them can lose their best player and still be expected to win.

Everyone is replaceable???? Thats pretty laughable statement Name a superstar or even the teams best player and then remove them from said team and see what happens to their odds of winning. What do you think would happen to GSW if Curry goes down again?? I mean the list goes on. Yes the team isn't playing well right now but some of you are over reacting like normal. These guys are humans not machines, we have a very young team with no real training camp, during COVID and no fans, and our best player already dealing with emotional issues juries the same wrist he just had surgery on. I am not sure what you guy's are expecting.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1492 » by DaMplsKid » Wed Jan 6, 2021 3:50 pm

Jedzz wrote:Trade Edwards or Culver. For future picks and nothing much more, idc. Help this roster construction now and recoup some leverage in future drafts. Get an average Vet SF/PF to add to the rotation at minimum that you can rely on mixing in, idc, just not another guard or wimpy dude. For edwards or culver that means a 9/10 million or 6 million range trade asset we need to find. Who cares if it's expiring, they can toss in pick(s).


LOL you make it sound sooooooooo easy. What did we hear all the way leading up to the draft? The Wolves are willing to trade Culver, Okogie and the #1 overall pick and apparently didn't receive good enough offers.

Please do tell us the average SF/PF that you want and that the other team is willing to move for these assets. Also remember this player you bring in needs to help us win now with Towns out inquired because as to said "everyone is replaceable".
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1493 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 7, 2021 12:16 am

DaMplsKid wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Trade Edwards or Culver. For future picks and nothing much more, idc. Help this roster construction now and recoup some leverage in future drafts. Get an average Vet SF/PF to add to the rotation at minimum that you can rely on mixing in, idc, just not another guard or wimpy dude. For edwards or culver that means a 9/10 million or 6 million range trade asset we need to find. Who cares if it's expiring, they can toss in pick(s).


LOL you make it sound sooooooooo easy. What did we hear all the way leading up to the draft? The Wolves are willing to trade Culver, Okogie and the #1 overall pick and apparently didn't receive good enough offers.

Please do tell us the average SF/PF that you want and that the other team is willing to move for these assets. Also remember this player you bring in needs to help us win now with Towns out inquired because as to said "everyone is replaceable".


You tell who you want. Go LOL yourself for the significant reading issue you are displaying. I laid out the minimum needed to match salaries. Those aren't difficult amounts to match. The fake value some of you and the team attach to top picks is the hard part. What I'm saying is I don't care even if who you get in return is just an expiring player that will likely never play, they can attach picks to make it worthwhiile. But if it's just some average Vet and a future frp I'm fine with it. It's about correcting a screwed up roster construction mistake now and getting a future FRP would be helpful for the team. The point is the draft choice in conjunction with adding Rubio and developing Culver here still was a mistake. Removing a guard or two cleans this issue up and allows the team to move on. I have nothing against the players. The GM didn't get the job done in a timely fashion and was willing to drag this out to get what He Wants.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1494 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:19 am

Fultz with possible nasty knee injury. TBD yet obviously. But...

Ricky may not like this but for those that want to find him a home and get Gordon? Just sayin... Ricky might like warm and sunnywet Orlando. Could always send Jmac and or Nowell offers too.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1495 » by IceManBK1 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:20 am

Read on Twitter
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More reasons for Magic to Aaron Gordon so they can tank? Prayers to fultz though :(
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1496 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:21 am

beat ya by a thin minute
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1497 » by IceManBK1 » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:36 am

Jedzz wrote:beat ya by a thin minute


Culver, Layman and 2nd Rder maybe?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1498 » by jscott » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:42 am

DaMplsKid wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Trade Edwards or Culver. For future picks and nothing much more, idc. Help this roster construction now and recoup some leverage in future drafts. Get an average Vet SF/PF to add to the rotation at minimum that you can rely on mixing in, idc, just not another guard or wimpy dude. For edwards or culver that means a 9/10 million or 6 million range trade asset we need to find. Who cares if it's expiring, they can toss in pick(s).


LOL you make it sound sooooooooo easy. What did we hear all the way leading up to the draft? The Wolves are willing to trade Culver, Okogie and the #1 overall pick and apparently didn't receive good enough offers.

Please do tell us the average SF/PF that you want and that the other team is willing to move for these assets. Also remember this player you bring in needs to help us win now with Towns out inquired because as to said "everyone is replaceable".

Culver and Edwards and the ones I want to keep. Trade the others.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1499 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:42 am

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Jedzz wrote:beat ya by a thin minute


Culver, Layman and 2nd Rder maybe?


I wouldn't give them a pick. Culver could end up the better player yet. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do it. We just have too many.

Rubio money wise fits alone right?
Could also JMac plus Juancho/Layman. They are the team with a possible need now.

We end up playing Gordon/Vando. They plan for a tank and JMac wins them a playoff spot.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1500 » by Jedzz » Thu Jan 7, 2021 2:44 am

jscott wrote:Culver and Edwards and the ones I want to keep. Trade the others.


Same fools gold thinking when we had Wiggins/Lavine/Towns. We can develop them for 6-10 years and win it all!

In the meantime you lose for 6 years and decide to blow it up twice .

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