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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#401 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 1:21 am

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NO ONE was talking about Cam Johnson at 11. Not RGM, not draft experts, nobody. On draft night, it was viewed as a major reach. Rosas has also talked about how he goes after the highest potential in drafts, whereas FA is for filling team needs. Johnson was 24 on draft night, most people didn't see much potential for him.


I was talking about Cam Johnson at 11 and it was because others pointed him out to me when discussing shooters of that draft. So others were.


To add to that, I remember Herro being talked about and Cam Johnson because a few of us were seeking out shooters. I think people thought Herro would go before Johnson, maybe and that might have been one oooh aahhh bit at the Suns choice and Herro was still sitting there and others.

But if you need a damn shooter, you draft one where your pick is or you try to slide down a bit first if you think you can and risk it. You don't draft based on nothing but completely unproven potential when your basketball team doesn't have more then one pro level shooter on the entire roster at the time.

These empty little ideological rules people spout about always BPA or draft potential and FA for needs are just trash.


You almost NEVER draft for fit. The only time this happens is if there are only marginal differences in draft grades. That is it. Period. To think you leave a significantly better player based on grade on the board is complete and utter nonsense.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#402 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:17 am

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Jedzz wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
I was talking about Cam Johnson at 11 and it was because others pointed him out to me when discussing shooters of that draft. So others were.


To add to that, I remember Herro being talked about and Cam Johnson because a few of us were seeking out shooters. I think people thought Herro would go before Johnson, maybe and that might have been one oooh aahhh bit at the Suns choice and Herro was still sitting there and others.

But if you need a damn shooter, you draft one where your pick is or you try to slide down a bit first if you think you can and risk it. You don't draft based on nothing but completely unproven potential when your basketball team doesn't have more then one pro level shooter on the entire roster at the time.

These empty little ideological rules people spout about always BPA or draft potential and FA for needs are just trash.


You almost NEVER draft for fit. The only time this happens is if there are only marginal differences in draft grades. That is it. Period. To think you leave a significantly better player based on grade on the board is complete and utter nonsense.


I suppose you think you are an authority on this now from watching 32 years of the Timberwolves doing just that?
Or maybe you think teams constantly in the playoffs that already have corrrectly built teams are who you are copying. But they would already have shooters, defenders, rim protectors, playmakers. So they can draft absolutely any best player available and stick them on the bench to learn or immediately trade them away. But when your actual franchise starters only include one, ONE single pro level shooter it is high time you search for that proven SHOOTER which means drafting for fit. That's what should have happened in the Culver draft. 100% that is what should have happened. In my opinion you are wrong sir. Things don't get more wrong.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#403 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:32 am

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SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
To add to that, I remember Herro being talked about and Cam Johnson because a few of us were seeking out shooters. I think people thought Herro would go before Johnson, maybe and that might have been one oooh aahhh bit at the Suns choice and Herro was still sitting there and others.

But if you need a damn shooter, you draft one where your pick is or you try to slide down a bit first if you think you can and risk it. You don't draft based on nothing but completely unproven potential when your basketball team doesn't have more then one pro level shooter on the entire roster at the time.

These empty little ideological rules people spout about always BPA or draft potential and FA for needs are just trash.


You almost NEVER draft for fit. The only time this happens is if there are only marginal differences in draft grades. That is it. Period. To think you leave a significantly better player based on grade on the board is complete and utter nonsense.


I suppose you think you are an authority on this now from watching 32 years of the Timberwolves doing just that?
Or maybe you think teams constantly in the playoffs that already have corrrectly built teams are who you are copying. But they would already have shooters, defenders, rim protectors, playmakers. So they can draft absolutely any best player available and stick them on the bench to learn or immediately trade them away. But when your actual franchise starters only include one, ONE single pro level shooter it is high time you search for that proven SHOOTER which means drafting for fit. That's what should have happened in the Culver draft. 100% that is what should have happened. In my opinion you are wrong sir. Things don't get more wrong.


Literally every team does what I said, so spare me.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#404 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:48 am

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SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
You almost NEVER draft for fit. The only time this happens is if there are only marginal differences in draft grades. That is it. Period. To think you leave a significantly better player based on grade on the board is complete and utter nonsense.


I suppose you think you are an authority on this now from watching 32 years of the Timberwolves doing just that?
Or maybe you think teams constantly in the playoffs that already have corrrectly built teams are who you are copying. But they would already have shooters, defenders, rim protectors, playmakers. So they can draft absolutely any best player available and stick them on the bench to learn or immediately trade them away. But when your actual franchise starters only include one, ONE single pro level shooter it is high time you search for that proven SHOOTER which means drafting for fit. That's what should have happened in the Culver draft. 100% that is what should have happened. In my opinion you are wrong sir. Things don't get more wrong.


Literally every team does what I said, so spare me.


Maybe you should read what I explained for you so you might for once in your life understand why and when other teams can do that. :lol: "Literally" "every". 8-) Take five minutes after reading it and imagine how often the Timberwolves ever have been correctly structured with all necessary skills on board like any of the playoff teams of this league every year to be able to sit back and pluck BPAs onto their already revved up rosters.

Suns drafted Cam Johnson and Klomp just claimed everyone he trusts claimed he was a 24th region pick reached at 11. So obviously the Suns break your Literally every claim. No need to find the annual examples for you when you've went out of your way to claim Literally Every Team and that's about as true as your previous claims.

The other excuse I often here is that "the team's talent is bare so you just draft BPA no matter what". Well, if you had the #1 and the best player is a center, and your teams only star player is a Center...worse, the only player you want to keep on your team at all is your star Center...do you take the BPA if no one will trade down a slot or two with you? If you did, you have two Centers. One star, one developing center on 18 minutes a game. Then four gaping starting holes still and a bench of shat to follow. Great job BPA specialists. You know what that wins you? Another trip to the lotto...forever.

Now, if you had a star center and nothing else, and you happened to draft a Ball and he instantly shows you what LaMello is showing this year, well...now you have TWO players. Now at trade deadlines you can trade future picks and fillers and get yourself a third player. Now you've got three players, only two have large contracts and the new rook playing out of his head is on a nice cheap contract. But it's just not that easy when you've already committed to two Max deals and just signed a new good SG, just signed a PF. At this point you've already started building something that you should committ to unless there is an ACTUAL LEBRON staring you in the face at the draft that might be worth blowing things up for.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#405 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:02 am

Jedzz wrote:.
SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
I suppose you think you are an authority on this now from watching 32 years of the Timberwolves doing just that?
Or maybe you think teams constantly in the playoffs that already have corrrectly built teams are who you are copying. But they would already have shooters, defenders, rim protectors, playmakers. So they can draft absolutely any best player available and stick them on the bench to learn or immediately trade them away. But when your actual franchise starters only include one, ONE single pro level shooter it is high time you search for that proven SHOOTER which means drafting for fit. That's what should have happened in the Culver draft. 100% that is what should have happened. In my opinion you are wrong sir. Things don't get more wrong.


Literally every team does what I said, so spare me.


Maybe you should read what I explained for you so you might for once in your life understand why and when other teams can do that. :lol: "Literally" "every". 8-) Take five minutes after reading it and imagine how often the Timberwolves ever have been correctly structured with all necessary skills on board like any of the playoff teams of this league every year to be able to sit back and pluck BPAs onto their already revved up rosters.

Suns drafted Cam Johnson and Klomp just claimed everyone he trusts claimed he was a 24th region pick reached at 11. So obviously the Suns break your Literally every claim. No need to find the annual examples for you when you've went out of your way to claim Literally Every Team and that's about as true as your previous claims.

The other excuse I often here is that "the team's talent is bare so you just draft BPA no matter what". Well, if you had the #1 and the best player is a center, and your teams only star player is a Center...worse, the only player you want to keep on your team at all is your star Center...do you take the BPA if no one will trade down a slot or two with you? If you did, you have two Centers. One star, one developing center on 18 minutes a game. Then four gaping starting holes still and a bench of shat to follow. Great job BPA specialists. You know what that wins you? Another trip to the lotto...forever.

Now, if you had a star center and nothing else, and you happened to draft a Ball and he instantly shows you what LaMello is showing this year, well...now you have TWO players. Now at trade deadlines you can trade future picks and fillers and get yourself a third player. Now you've got three players, only two have large contracts and the new rook playing out of his head is on a nice cheap contract. But it's just not that easy when you've already committed to two Max deals and just signed a new good SG, just signed a PF. At this point you've already started building something that you should committ to unless there is a ACTUAL LEBRON staring you in the face at the draft that might be worth blowing things up for.


LOL. Again literally every team does what I said.

What you are talking about is how different teams grade each player. Duh, that varies by team. Also has nothing to do with what I said!!!
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#406 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:05 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
LOL. Again literally every team does what I said.


LOL, You repeat false lines again as if true. The Suns example pick of Johnson at 11 that I quoted Klomp on that got you responding is all the examples I need to call your repeating one line posting false, lame, wrong. Literally, you are wrong.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#407 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:11 am

Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
LOL. Again literally every team does what I said.


LOL, You repeat false lines again as if true. The Suns example pick of Johnson at 11 that I quoted Klomp on that got you responding is all the examples I need to call your repeating one line posting false, lame, wrong. Literally, you are wrong.


Why don't you get that PHX had Johnson graded higher? Why don't you get that? That example doesn't prove me wrong. It just shows that teams value/rank players differently. Anything else? Teams don't draft for fit unless there are marginal differences in their player grades. Period. Teams are not leavening significantly better players on the board based on their grades.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#408 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:16 am

Why blow up any of the good prior moves you made for a player pick based on nothing but projection of things he hasn't proven he can do yet? If you've startd to build something you shouldn't take that lightly. And that's the problem with the top of the draft, it's loaded with sucker plays for the suckers who get sucked in every year. Not just any team should be taking gambles there.

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When the Warriors selected Curry 7th, it wasn't a reach. It wasn't necessarily BPA. Their team had virtually nothing. They needed a point guard to start building a team. They previously had Jamal Crawford playing some point averaging 4 assists per game. Now Jamal Crawford wasn't crap in 2008. But he wasn't a great playmaker assist god for others or even a 20-25ppg player either. He'd always been a better SG and they were just renting him. So what did the Warriors do? They drafted a PG for need. Hilariously the Timberwolves really needed a PG as well. So much so they also drafted for need, twice in a row pick 5 and 6 as point guards. Except the Wolves did what the wolves always do. THEY CHOSE WRONG.

Ever since that occurance of drafting for need Wolves fans the world over can be found claiming you NEVER DRAFT FOR NEEDS. When the real lesson is...Find a better player evaluator to make your decisions for you.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#409 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:21 am

Jedzz wrote:Why blow up any of the good prior moves you made for a player pick based on nothing but projection of things he hasn't proven he can do yet? If you've startd to build something you shouldn't take that lightly. And that's the problem with the top of the draft, it's loaded with sucker plays for the suckers who get sucked in every year. Not just any team should be taking gambles there.

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When the Warriors selected Curry 7th, it wasn't a reach. It wasn't necessarily BPA. Their team had virtually nothing. They needed a point guard to start building a team. They previously had Jamal Crawford playing some point averaging 4 assists per game. Now Jamal Crawford wasn't crap in 2008-2009. But he wasn't a great playmaker assist god for others or a 25ppg player either. He'd always been a better SG. So what did the Warriors do? They drafted a PG for need. Hilariously the Timberwolves really needed a PG as well. So much so they also drafted for need, twice in a row pick 5 and 6 as point guards. Except the Wolves did what they wolves always do. THEY CHOSE WRONG.

Ever since that occurance of drafting for need Wolves fans the world over can be found claiming you NEVER DRAFT FOR NEEDS. When the real lesson is...Find a better player evaluator to make your decisions for you.


LOL.

They also had Monte Ellis, Curry wasn't a need pick, Curry wasn't even seen as a PG at that time...unreal. Comical
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#410 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:23 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Why blow up any of the good prior moves you made for a player pick based on nothing but projection of things he hasn't proven he can do yet? If you've startd to build something you shouldn't take that lightly. And that's the problem with the top of the draft, it's loaded with sucker plays for the suckers who get sucked in every year. Not just any team should be taking gambles there.

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When the Warriors selected Curry 7th, it wasn't a reach. It wasn't necessarily BPA. Their team had virtually nothing. They needed a point guard to start building a team. They previously had Jamal Crawford playing some point averaging 4 assists per game. Now Jamal Crawford wasn't crap in 2008-2009. But he wasn't a great playmaker assist god for others or a 25ppg player either. He'd always been a better SG. So what did the Warriors do? They drafted a PG for need. Hilariously the Timberwolves really needed a PG as well. So much so they also drafted for need, twice in a row pick 5 and 6 as point guards. Except the Wolves did what they wolves always do. THEY CHOSE WRONG.

Ever since that occurance of drafting for need Wolves fans the world over can be found claiming you NEVER DRAFT FOR NEEDS. When the real lesson is...Find a better player evaluator to make your decisions for you.


LOL.

They also had Monte Ellis, Curry wasn't a need pick...unreal. Comical


Monte Ellis, less than 4 assists per game for warriors (4.6/g career), playing SG for Warriors.

COMICAL. YOU. LITERALLY
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#411 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:25 am

Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Why blow up any of the good prior moves you made for a player pick based on nothing but projection of things he hasn't proven he can do yet? If you've startd to build something you shouldn't take that lightly. And that's the problem with the top of the draft, it's loaded with sucker plays for the suckers who get sucked in every year. Not just any team should be taking gambles there.

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When the Warriors selected Curry 7th, it wasn't a reach. It wasn't necessarily BPA. Their team had virtually nothing. They needed a point guard to start building a team. They previously had Jamal Crawford playing some point averaging 4 assists per game. Now Jamal Crawford wasn't crap in 2008-2009. But he wasn't a great playmaker assist god for others or a 25ppg player either. He'd always been a better SG. So what did the Warriors do? They drafted a PG for need. Hilariously the Timberwolves really needed a PG as well. So much so they also drafted for need, twice in a row pick 5 and 6 as point guards. Except the Wolves did what they wolves always do. THEY CHOSE WRONG.

Ever since that occurance of drafting for need Wolves fans the world over can be found claiming you NEVER DRAFT FOR NEEDS. When the real lesson is...Find a better player evaluator to make your decisions for you.


LOL.

They also had Monte Ellis, Curry wasn't a need pick...unreal. Comical


Monte Ellis, less than 4 assists per game for warriors (4.6/g career), playing SG for Warriors.

COMICAL. YOU. LITERALLY


Curry was viewed as a SG at the time. LOL... c'mon man.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#412 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:34 am

You know money, i left your tirade alone a few days ago when you tried to tell everyone how they don't know basketball because they suggested Edwards should be doing something on defense besides just standing under the basket waiting for the ball to drop in his hands. People suggested trying to box out. You jumped on their back about how he was doing exactly what you thought he should be doing, which you say was watching for the possible large bounce rebound to take advantage for a fast break. I cringed really. Because it is possible this would be something the Timberwolves franchise would have been coaching into their players that got them to always just stand there directly under the basket looking lost. First off, if there was a big bounce rebound Edwards wasn't in position for it. Secondly, stopping them from scoring is better than a simple chance at a fast break. Who gives a rats behind about getting a fast break? You can get a score in any number of ways. Get the stop first. Defend someone first and try to stop them from scoring. Boxing out, for the Timberwolves, is something you see happen like 5 times a season. I'm not exxagerating. They just barely ever do it or do it well. So when they have it's eye opening and looks like it's in neon to everyone watching. To read your take on that situation it was like fingernails on a chalkboard. So I shouldn't be surprised by your takes tonight either I guess. You are in your own little world lately, claimiing literally every team does this or that. But you are just wrong this week it seems.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#413 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:36 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
LOL.

They also had Monte Ellis, Curry wasn't a need pick...unreal. Comical


Monte Ellis, less than 4 assists per game for warriors (4.6/g career), playing SG for Warriors.

COMICAL. YOU. LITERALLY


Curry was viewed as a SG at the time. LOL... c'mon man.


Alright. Now I'm done wasting my time on you. What a joke you are being this week. You're Timberwolves takes are garbage this week. You hear me? Now you want to start rewriting history? I think not.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#414 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:51 am

Jedzz wrote:You know money, i left your tirade alone a few days ago when you tried to tell everyone how they don't know basketball because they suggested Edwards should be doing something on defense besides just standing under the basket waiting for the ball to drop in his hands. People suggested trying to box out. You jumped on their back about how he was doing exactly what you thought he should be doing, which you say was watching for the possible large bounce rebound to take advantage for a fast break. I cringed really. Because it is possible this would be something the Timberwolves franchise would have been coaching into their players that got them to always just stand there directly under the basket looking lost. First off, if there was a big bounce rebound Edwards wasn't in position for it. Secondly, stopping them from scoring is better than a simple chance at a fast break. Who gives a rats behind about getting a fast break? You can get a score in any number of ways. Get the stop first. Defend someone first and try to stop them from scoring. Boxing out, for the Timberwolves, is something you see happen like 5 times a season. I'm not exxagerating. They just barely ever do it or do it well. So when they have it's eye opening and looks like it's in neon to everyone watching. To read your take on that situation it was like fingernails on a chalkboard. So I shouldn't be surprised by your takes tonight either I guess. You are in your own little world lately, claimiing literally every team does this or that. But you are just wrong this week it seems.


He lost his man at that point it was not his job to crash the glass and box out it was a 3pt shot, a long shot that statistically has a long rebound. He shouldn't have lost his man and got a body on him but he didn't. I was also only talking to someone, could have been you, who said he was only interested in being in position for the inbound, this was after he lost his man. Once I realized people were conflating two different things, creating two different arguments, before and after he lost his man I stopped responding because I am not going to fight one battle where I am right and one where I am wrong concurrently. Understand?
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#415 » by SO_MONEY » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:59 am

Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
Monte Ellis, less than 4 assists per game for warriors (4.6/g career), playing SG for Warriors.

COMICAL. YOU. LITERALLY


Curry was viewed as a SG at the time. LOL... c'mon man.


Alright. Now I'm done wasting my time on you. What a joke you are being this week. You're Timberwolves takes are garbage this week. You hear me? Now you want to start rewriting history? I think not.


Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism … At 6-2, he’s extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level … Although he’s playing point guard this year, he’s not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team … Struggles defensively getting around screens … Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) … Hasn’t had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness … Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him … Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes … Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he’ll always be skinny …


Weaknesses: More of a 2-guard than a point Must develop as a point guard A decent passer and ball handler, but still must improve considerably in both areas and learn to play the PG position in order to make it in the league … At 6-1, hes far too small to play solely at the 2G position … Had a solid 1-1 A/TO ratio (for a freshman who plays mostly off the ball), but can improve upon that Lacks great athletic ability, although he shows good quickness … Body is on the small side, short arms and lack of great natural body strength … Lacks great visibility and competition level at mid-major Davidson…


There is no shortage of scouting reports on Curry. You just don't have a response.

You said Curry was a need pick, but he wasn't. Then you got embarrassed and lashed out.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#416 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:58 am

I'm enjoying this argument.
I'll get the popcorn.
Continue.

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Post#417 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 6:10 am

LaVine should be happy, first allstar bid. However I might also be a little pissed if I was him too.
This year he's been better than Tatum, leonard, Irving, Booker, Mitchell, Conley, Brown, George, Simmons, Paul, He's right there with someone like Steph and Dame, and meanwhile LaVine, Harden and Lillard are stuck as reserves and even Lebron isn't running ahead of these three much this year.

Only Doncic and then maybe Harden and Beal have been slighter better. Not sure why Harden , Lillard, LaVine are reserves. Irving has only played 26 games and hasn't done better this season while playing. Davis only plays 23 games so far and his numbers are down. instant in anyway. His injury replacement is Booker. Bookers replacement is Conley. gtfo
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#418 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 6:14 am

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You said Curry was a need pick, but he wasn't. Then you got embarrassed and lashed out.


I already showed Curry was a need pick for Warriors. You haven't admitted to being routed all night. I don't ever expect you to admit being wrong in your lifetime. You've never been wrong in your lifetime. We all understand stud.

The only one getting embarrassed and lashing out is you.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#419 » by Jedzz » Sat Mar 6, 2021 6:17 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
LOL. Again literally every team does what I said.


LOL, You repeat false lines again as if true. The Suns example pick of Johnson at 11 that I quoted Klomp on that got you responding is all the examples I need to call your repeating one line posting false, lame, wrong. Literally, you are wrong.


Why don't you get that PHX had Johnson graded higher?


:lol:

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Post#420 » by Rookie-Mistake » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:20 am

I'm watching the Hornets.. damn I wish we played like them.. so much positive energy and ball movement

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