Is it time yet? To move on from Rosas?

[Jedzz]

Hey I don't make many threads and I sure don't want to make this one. But there is that Saunders thread that keeps getting bumped and so Rosas deserves one, maybe moreso given this roster consstruction.

If he continues to refuse to give up one or more of his beloved guards or any roster spot really for a useful PF/Center of real size, would you agree he needs to go already? Are we really going to wait and see how many more guards he can pick up the next offseason that can't shoot?

[Wolves21]

Not yet,agreed that he badly needs a starting caliber PF/C to go along side Towns and and also a back up big.His take on the Rockets system and style of play real doesn't work in the NBA and only worked to a degree with the Rockets & Warriors.The Wolves roster doesn't have the caliber of players like Durant,Harden,Curry,Thompson,Paul...ect to pull the system off.

With that said think he's done a pretty good job in terms of overhauling the roster and bring in talent.He finally got Wiggins,Teague & Dieng off the books in his 1st season which is a huge plus to me and something he should get tons of credit for.He brought in a young all star guard in D'Lo which in turn also keeps the franchise big man happy in Towns.Then brought in under used and underrated talent like Beasley(who's solidly turning into a full time starting caliber SG who's giving you 20PPPG a night)Reid,J-Mac,Vanderbilt who all have a ton of upside.While his two draft picks in Culver & Edwards are still up in the air don't think either where a streach or really that bad of picks.

[UnFadeable21]

The wolves Rockets system has been horse bleep

The record speaks for it self. He’s a great salesman but so far, I hate it.

[Merc_Porto]

I say again.

Rosas didn't make one good and impactful move since he's in charge.

We are the worst team in the league with our 2021 FRP being top-3 protected. That's embarassing on so many levels...

[Calinks]

Still too early for this. He needs to take heat for the roster construction but I still think he will make moves and improve the makeup of this team. Playoffs were never a must this season but fans want to see something solid, he has to feel the pressure with the current mess.

It's also not like he never tried to add depth at the 4/5. He did attempt to sign some guys, just nothing worked out. He probably felt that KAT and Juancho/Layman would be suitable stop gaps until he could make a deal later, well some bad luck and terrible play from those three players has really dashed that plan and his team is a mess right now.

Rosas is patient and he is all about making huge, significant moves when they present themselves. He did the same thing last season with the Bahama Wolves, that was a team that couldn't shoot but they played as they could. Fortunately, that team could defend a little bit and it carried them to a degree of decency.

This squad plays like a team that doesn't have the personnel to play the way it wants. Again Rosas is probably waiting to make some key moves. This team isn't able to stay afloat though without KAT and its killing their confidence. Rosas deserves some criticism and hard questions IMO but I still am willing to stick it out.

[Klomp]

At least he didn't waste and trade away prime Harden, Durant, Westbrook, George, Paul.....

[Jedzz]

How about the release of the system qualities he was selling the fans on so much last year. The analytics driven style of play.

Haven't seen or heard of any of it this year. Defense was the only thing being sold to us and players that we heard this year. What gives on this?

[ChiefKeith91]

I think Rosas is going about this rebuild the wrong way. He wants to recreate the 2016-2020 HOU small ball but he should be looking to mimic the 2018-2019 Nets team. Nobody expected them to make the playoffs but once they did the team became attractive to others. You have to make the Timberwolves considerable for FA or Unhappy players looking for a trade. He needs to go all in for a play in game push. If you tank the player you get isn't going to make you much better team next year. And if you want to trade it for a star player that's not guaranteed.

Right now FA's aren't going to look at this roster, FO and possible team selling and want to com here. The only way to change that is to win games now. I know it's only been like 20 games but the small ball experiment will not work cause we don't have a Harden, PJ Tucker, Capela. I want this team to succeed badly but it's gonna start with Rosas.

[jpatrick]

I say again.

Rosas didn't make one good and impactful move since he's in charge.

We are the worst team in the league with our 2021 FRP being top-3 protected. That's embarassing on so many levels...

I 100% agree with this. His three biggest moves have not gone well. The DLo trade and Culver lotto pick have been horrific. Wiggins is more of a winning player than DLo, both had bad contracts, and we had to give a likely top 5 pick. Awful. I’ve lost hope in Culver being more than a bench spare part, which isn’t ideal for the #5 pick.

Edwards clearly looks to be behind several other lotto picks. He has flashes but is playing exactly like he did at UGA, which isn’t winning basketball.

I still contend that if he had passed on the DLo trade, we’d have Wiggins, Ball and our pick instead of DLo, Edwards, and no pick and our future would look insanely brighter.

Unless something changes, Rosas is gone at years end as long as there is a new owner. Taylor doesn’t fire anyone until three years too late.

[UnFadeable21]

Who says this all the time, “We’re going to be diligent, thorough, and question the norm”

Now I question him and his vision

[Rookie-Mistake]

Talent identification has to be seriously questioned.

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[RiRuHoops]

Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahnn

[breatnach]

Not yet for me. He's been wheeling and dealing ever since he got here and I believe he said he isn't done yet. Until he's out of moves, I feel like we should give him a chance.

Yes, some moves look bad (Culver), but others look great (Beasley) and some seemed impossible to pull off (Wiggins, Dieng) and I believe the jury is still out on them.

I think his biggest test will be how long he holds on to Ryan. I really, really want Ryan to succeed and be a part of this franchise. I am just not sure he can be our HC. If Rosas is betting everything on Ryan becoming a winning (head-)coach in the NBA, he may be shoveling his own grave.

[packforfreedom]

If Rosas is betting everything on Ryan becoming a winning (head-)coach in the NBA, he may be shoveling his own grave.

this is actually a good point. Normally, if teams lose a lot of games, firing the HC is the first thing to do. Not because it's always warranted, but because it's one simple move with the potential to make the team better, even if this change for the sake of change.
The problem for Rosas is, if he holds on to Ryan for too long, he in fact might take damage from all this loses, but if he replaces him too soon and the next coach also can't get wins, it reflects on the roster Rosas has built and again damages his reputation.

I think our roster is bad, unbalanced and as of now I doubt the potential of internal growth with this team. On the other hand I think a better coach could've squeeze a couple of more wins out of this team. Right now Rosas need to give our HC whoever this might be until the trade deadline, a better composed roster to work with. Decide which wings/guards work for us moving forward and trade the rest.

If Saunders is getting fired before, so it be. I think he's a nice guy and a potentially solid coach but not some uber coaching prodigy that we need to keep at all costs. The thing is, that he's the son of flip and firing him isn't easy as long as Taylor is the owner.

[shrink]

Saunders may be over his head, but it’s hard to imagine any coach would do well with the roster and style-limitations that Rosas has imposed on him. I think Ryan is easy to scapegoat.

Even in MIN, GM’s usually get a longer leash than coaches, because it takes longer to see their impact. Still, just looking at our roster and our league stats (29th in offense, 30th in defense), it’s hard to remain optimistic on Rosas.

[Battletrigger]

Saunders may be over his head, but it’s hard to imagine any coach would do well with the roster and style-limitations that Rosas has imposed on him. I think Ryan is easy to scapegoat.

Even in MIN, GM’s usually get a longer leash than coaches, because it takes longer to see their impact. Still, just looking at our roster and our league stats (29th in offense, 30th in defense), it’s hard to remain optimistic on Rosas.

No far away you said that the moves Rosas did were to bring here trade value for future trades, and I pointed that you only have trade value if the pieces themselves have it.

It's like if Rosa's is playing 2k instead of a real team. People used to blame Thibs, well, we can say Rosas if much worse than Thibs. One of the worst GM I remember here with the famous Kahn.

[_AIJ_]

Yes. Why on earth did he think small ball wins games???


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[Sugarless]

We are the worst team in the league with our 2021 FRP being top-3 protected.

Wolves fans have gone through some real tough times through the years, but if Minnesota ends up with a bottom-3 record in the league (definitely possible) and the lottery keeps them outside the top-3 picks (60% chance that it happens for the teams with the 3 worst records in the league) surrendering their first (and second!) round to GS in what's expected to be one of the strongest drafts in the past few years, this board is going to implode.

Many in this fanbase were so desperate to trade Wiggins -as there was this self-imposed idea that his contract was unmovable, when there is no such thing in the NBA, as we've seen time and again- that they still applaud Rosas for trading him for an even worse defender who does not help you win either, while giving away either that 1st round pick this year or the one next season, when the so-called "double draft" takes place.

The way things are going with Rosas, Saunders and this roster, the moment that full price of the trade sinks in while still watching this team be a bottom feeder, things are going to get even bleaker around these parts. It's a shame, cause many fans don't deserve it (others absolutely do, as they won't ever learn and will continue to defend whatever the franchise does initially, no matter how objectively wrong it is), but it looks inevitable unless there are major changes throughout the organization.

[Worm Guts]

It's sort of unbelievable he's been this bad. I normally think a GM needs at least 3 season before being evaluated, but it's pretty tough to say he doesn't deserve to be fired.

[Chello1]

Yes! It is going to take a year or two to undue the damage already done! e has not made one good decision. He is 0 for 2 on the draft. Culver is bad and clearly we chose the wrong guy out of three this year. Ball and Wiseman both would have been better choices. Ball is already much better than DLO! How great would Wiseman look on this roster? Small ball didn't work in this league with all time talents running it in Houston so how did we think it would work here without all time talents? Time to move on and the sooner the better! This roster already is buried and he will cause more damage the longer he is here!