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Bumping above the other thread.

About time you did your job....

I think the 2022 and 2023 drafts both look awful so trade the picks and go all in..

You can predict the future?

Neeva wrote:I think the 2022 and 2023 drafts both look awful so trade the picks and go all in..

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Klomp mentioned this on anther thread…however, I think this will play a part of Twolves going after Simmons.

Assistant coach Joseph Blair is now part of the staff going forward for Timberwolves.

Howard Cosell wrote:Klomp mentioned this on anther thread…however, I think this will play a part of Twolves going after Simmons.

Assistant coach Joseph Blair is now part of the staff going forward for Timberwolves.

He was already on staff last year, but now has moved up to the bench from player development. Thought this was interesting:

Earlier this month, Minnesota potentially began planting the seeds to land Simmons when the team filled the vacancy on its coaching staff (left by player development coach Brian Randle accepting an assistant coach role on Monty Williams’s staff in Phoenix) by hiring former Sixers assistant coach Joseph Blair, who was in Philly for just one season. This is very notable, because before the Wolves went after D’Angelo Russell, they hired Pablo Prigioni, who played a key role in Russell’s ascension from young castaway in LA to All-Star point guard with the Brooklyn Nets. While Blair’s role on the Philadelphia staff was never explicitly defined publicly during his tenure, Ky Carlin of USA Today noted he “oversaw Philadelphia’s offensive production.” Prior to his arrival in Philadelphia, he was the head coach of the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, the G-League affiliate of the Houston Rockets, where his team won the 2019 G-League Championship in his lone season at the helm. Wolves President of Basketball Operation Gersson Rosas got his start with the same club.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/2/21501910/offseason-targets-part-iv-ben-simmons-nba

If we’re going to forget about salary issues and assume MN wants to acquire Simmons while holding on to DLo, KAT, and Edwards, what does that look like?

I really don’t want to move McDaniels. That’s leaves some combo of Beasley, Rubio, Culver, Nowell, and Reid. These are the only other guys, to me, that arguably have positive or even neutral value on their contracts.

So Beasley plus others plus a couple of lightly protected picks? Philly isn’t going to want picks, so I’m assuming those picks would have to go to a third team that flips a player to Philly.

Maybe something like Beasley to Philly. Picks to Toronto for s/t Lowry. Simmons to MN. Then filler to make the deal work. Philly ends up with Lowry and Beasley, which isn’t a bad end result for them.

Klomp wrote:

Howard Cosell wrote:Klomp mentioned this on anther thread…however, I think this will play a part of Twolves going after Simmons.

Assistant coach Joseph Blair is now part of the staff going forward for Timberwolves.

He was already on staff last year, but now has moved up to the bench from player development. Thought this was interesting:

Earlier this month, Minnesota potentially began planting the seeds to land Simmons when the team filled the vacancy on its coaching staff (left by player development coach Brian Randle accepting an assistant coach role on Monty Williams’s staff in Phoenix) by hiring former Sixers assistant coach Joseph Blair, who was in Philly for just one season. This is very notable, because before the Wolves went after D’Angelo Russell, they hired Pablo Prigioni, who played a key role in Russell’s ascension from young castaway in LA to All-Star point guard with the Brooklyn Nets. While Blair’s role on the Philadelphia staff was never explicitly defined publicly during his tenure, Ky Carlin of USA Today noted he “oversaw Philadelphia’s offensive production.” Prior to his arrival in Philadelphia, he was the head coach of the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, the G-League affiliate of the Houston Rockets, where his team won the 2019 G-League Championship in his lone season at the helm. Wolves President of Basketball Operation Gersson Rosas got his start with the same club.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/2/21501910/offseason-targets-part-iv-ben-simmons-nba

Yep.

Twolves going all-in on Simmons.

Modified the trade based on the need for MN to get Lowery in this deal.

MN IN: Ben Simmons / 33mil / 4 yrs

TOR IN: Ricky Rubio / 17.8mil / 1 yr
Gary Clarke / 2mil / 1 yr
Timberwolves 2022 1st round pick


PHI IN: Malik Beasley / 14.3mil / 3yrs
Timberwolves 2023 2nd round pick
Timberwolves 2024 1st round pick
Kyle Lowry / S&T 20mil/ 3 yrs


Steep price.

But Rosas is going to attempt to grab Simmons and put all the chips in middle of table.

Howard Cosell wrote:

Klomp wrote:

Howard Cosell wrote:Klomp mentioned this on anther thread…however, I think this will play a part of Twolves going after Simmons.

Assistant coach Joseph Blair is now part of the staff going forward for Timberwolves.

He was already on staff last year, but now has moved up to the bench from player development. Thought this was interesting:

Earlier this month, Minnesota potentially began planting the seeds to land Simmons when the team filled the vacancy on its coaching staff (left by player development coach Brian Randle accepting an assistant coach role on Monty Williams’s staff in Phoenix) by hiring former Sixers assistant coach Joseph Blair, who was in Philly for just one season. This is very notable, because before the Wolves went after D’Angelo Russell, they hired Pablo Prigioni, who played a key role in Russell’s ascension from young castaway in LA to All-Star point guard with the Brooklyn Nets. While Blair’s role on the Philadelphia staff was never explicitly defined publicly during his tenure, Ky Carlin of USA Today noted he “oversaw Philadelphia’s offensive production.” Prior to his arrival in Philadelphia, he was the head coach of the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, the G-League affiliate of the Houston Rockets, where his team won the 2019 G-League Championship in his lone season at the helm. Wolves President of Basketball Operation Gersson Rosas got his start with the same club.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/2/21501910/offseason-targets-part-iv-ben-simmons-nba

Yep.

Twolves going all-in on Simmons.

Modified the trade based on the need for MN to get Lowery in this deal.

MN IN: Ben Simmons / 33mil / 4 yrs

TOR IN: Ricky Rubio / 17.8mil / 1 yr
Gary Clarke / 2mil / 1 yr
Timberwolves 2022 1st round pick


PHI IN: Malik Beasley / 14.3mil / 3yrs
Timberwolves 2023 2nd round pick
Timberwolves 2024 1st round pick
Kyle Lowery / S&T 20mil/ 3 yrs


Steep price.

But Rosas is going to attempt to grab Simmons and put all the chips in middle of table.

I'd put top5 protection on these picks.

All in on a guy who can't shoot in an NBA landscape where shooting is insane. More over get a guy who absolutely needs the ball in his hands to be valuable when we have at least 2-3 other guys like that.

Why do we want to use all our picks now, do we predict that there won't be other disgruntled stars in the future?

If you're going to blow your picks on a player at least make it a top 10 player in the league.

Y'all are jaded. I get it too, we haven't been relevant since KG. That sucks. But trading for Simmons with all those picks and hard capping ourselves so we can't improve is a sure fire recipe for disaster. If you think that Simmons is what separates us from perennial playoff appearances then it's a justified trade, but I doubt it.

Howard Cosell wrote:

Klomp wrote:

Howard Cosell wrote:Klomp mentioned this on anther thread…however, I think this will play a part of Twolves going after Simmons.

Assistant coach Joseph Blair is now part of the staff going forward for Timberwolves.

He was already on staff last year, but now has moved up to the bench from player development. Thought this was interesting:

Earlier this month, Minnesota potentially began planting the seeds to land Simmons when the team filled the vacancy on its coaching staff (left by player development coach Brian Randle accepting an assistant coach role on Monty Williams’s staff in Phoenix) by hiring former Sixers assistant coach Joseph Blair, who was in Philly for just one season. This is very notable, because before the Wolves went after D’Angelo Russell, they hired Pablo Prigioni, who played a key role in Russell’s ascension from young castaway in LA to All-Star point guard with the Brooklyn Nets. While Blair’s role on the Philadelphia staff was never explicitly defined publicly during his tenure, Ky Carlin of USA Today noted he “oversaw Philadelphia’s offensive production.” Prior to his arrival in Philadelphia, he was the head coach of the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, the G-League affiliate of the Houston Rockets, where his team won the 2019 G-League Championship in his lone season at the helm. Wolves President of Basketball Operation Gersson Rosas got his start with the same club.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/11/2/21501910/offseason-targets-part-iv-ben-simmons-nba

Yep.

Twolves going all-in on Simmons.

Modified the trade based on the need for MN to get Lowery in this deal.

MN IN: Ben Simmons / 33mil / 4 yrs

TOR IN: Ricky Rubio / 17.8mil / 1 yr
Gary Clarke / 2mil / 1 yr
Timberwolves 2022 1st round pick


PHI IN: Malik Beasley / 14.3mil / 3yrs
Timberwolves 2023 2nd round pick
Timberwolves 2024 1st round pick
Kyle Lowry / S&T 20mil/ 3 yrs


Steep price.

But Rosas is going to attempt to grab Simmons and put all the chips in middle of table.

No, just no.

I think Simmons on paper looks really good just not sure how he fits on the court. With Simmons/DLo/Edwards and Towns lineup the ball might not move very well and to me Simmons is an over paid less aggressive Dreymond Green.

I also really want to see what our depth next year will look like. We never got to see a health full roster all year. Beasley is a knuckle head but his game fits really nicely in the modern NBA.

Dlo
Edwards
Simmons
Vander
Towns

Would be a sick defensive lineup but 2.5 non shooters in the lineup could be an issue.

DaMplsKid wrote:I think Simmons on paper looks really good just not sure how he fits on the court. With Simmons/DLo/Edwards and Towns lineup the ball might not move very well and to me Simmons is an over paid less aggressive Dreymond Green.

I also really want to see what our depth next year will look like. We never got to see a health full roster all year. Beasley is a knuckle head but his game fits really nicely in the modern NBA.

Dlo
Edwards
Simmons
Vander
Towns

Would be a sick defensive lineup but 2.5 non shooters in the lineup could be an issue.

If the deal could be Beasley, Rubio, and a couple #1s (plus spare parts), I think McDaniels starts over Vanderbilt, which helps spacing.

Howard Cosell wrote:
Yep.

Twolves going all-in on Simmons.

Modified the trade based on the need for MN to get Lowery in this deal.

MN IN: Ben Simmons / 33mil / 4 yrs

TOR IN: Ricky Rubio / 17.8mil / 1 yr
Gary Clarke / 2mil / 1 yr
Timberwolves 2022 1st round pick


PHI IN: Malik Beasley / 14.3mil / 3yrs
Timberwolves 2023 2nd round pick
Timberwolves 2024 1st round pick
Kyle Lowry / S&T 20mil/ 3 yrs


Steep price.

But Rosas is going to attempt to grab Simmons and put all the chips in middle of table.

Not sure I'd do it, but that seems like a reasonable, well-thought out trade that works for all 3 teams.

Not an easy thing to accomplish.

BlacJacMac wrote:

Howard Cosell wrote:
Yep.

Twolves going all-in on Simmons.

Modified the trade based on the need for MN to get Lowery in this deal.

MN IN: Ben Simmons / 33mil / 4 yrs

TOR IN: Ricky Rubio / 17.8mil / 1 yr
Gary Clarke / 2mil / 1 yr
Timberwolves 2022 1st round pick


PHI IN: Malik Beasley / 14.3mil / 3yrs
Timberwolves 2023 2nd round pick
Timberwolves 2024 1st round pick
Kyle Lowry / S&T 20mil/ 3 yrs


Steep price.

But Rosas is going to attempt to grab Simmons and put all the chips in middle of table.

Not sure I'd do it, but that seems like a reasonable, well-thought out trade that works for all 3 teams.

Not an easy thing to accomplish.

2 firsts AND Beasley for a negative contact is not really reasonable.

If we're going to go all out on another big piece, I'd much prefer it to be Collin Sexton than Simmons. At least he's still young enough to lose some bad habits.

I'll admit I'm curious as to what a front-line of Simmons/D'Lo/Ant/PF/KAT would look like, but not thrilled about what it does to the money/free-agent situation.

LibertyPrime wrote:If we're going to go all out on another big piece, I'd much prefer it to be Collin Sexton than Simmons. At least he's still young enough to lose some bad habits.

I'll admit I'm curious as to what a front-line of Simmons/D'Lo/Ant/PF/KAT would look like, but not thrilled about what it does to the money/free-agent situation.

Simmons is our PF if he is on the team.

SO_MONEY wrote:

LibertyPrime wrote:If we're going to go all out on another big piece, I'd much prefer it to be Collin Sexton than Simmons. At least he's still young enough to lose some bad habits.

I'll admit I'm curious as to what a front-line of Simmons/D'Lo/Ant/PF/KAT would look like, but not thrilled about what it does to the money/free-agent situation.

Simmons is our PF if he is on the team.

Absolutely. If Rosas pushes the chips into the middle of the table for Twolves and Morey takes the deal…Simmons is definitely the PF on Minnesota.

If Simmons does become a Twolf and it doesn’t work after 2 years then new GM & Owner trades Towns and the organization starts over again and builds around Edwards.

But I believe this is Rosas’s time to go all-in…we see if 76ers bite. I would wager Simmons would be interested and has been talking with D-lo and Towns about all of this already.

LibertyPrime wrote:If we're going to go all out on another big piece, I'd much prefer it to be Collin Sexton than Simmons. At least he's still young enough to lose some bad habits.

I'll admit I'm curious as to what a front-line of Simmons/D'Lo/Ant/PF/KAT would look like, but not thrilled about what it does to the money/free-agent situation.

D'Lo/Ant/McDaniels/Simmons/KAT