Next move

[winforlose]

We had 14 players last season with 2 two way players. Our 2 way spots will be announced soon enough, but we still have potentially 17 guys assuming we bring back the expirings and keep the RFAs for this year. I think the only logical conclusion is at least one more trade gets made. I see JO moving on and I can see us sending out Lea as well. Our tentative rotation as I see it is

Dlo, Ant, MCD, KAT, Kessler
Beverly, Beasley, Moore, V8, Reid

Our 3rd string is JMAC, Nowell, Lea, JO, and Minott

Layman is gone, Prince probably will get sign and trade for bird rights (do we really want Prince back given his size situation?)

I think we can all agree another big PF is the likely target, but who and for what? Do we keep Dlo? Is JMAC’s value high enough right now to get a decent return on investment, and could we even find him playing time if we wanted to? Is it a good time to trade Beverly and if so for what? Bev is getting older and has hinted at a desire to play with Butler, but he is still the leader of the team and a culture setter on defense. Not easy to part ways with someone like Pat Bev.

All of this and more is running through my head right now. I am curious what you guys think about our next move?

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I’d be surprised if WK is inserted to the starting 5 right away. I could see Pat Bev to the bench for JMcD. In fact I’d be surprised if that didn’t happen

I’d like

DLo/JMac
Ant/PB/WMJ
JMcD/Beas
FA big/V8
KAT/WK

I’d be shocked if dlo isn’t on our team now that the draft has past. Priority should be getting inside beef that can defend, rebound and switch with kat. Kessler helps but he’s probably going to take reids spot starting off. I haven’t really looked at who will be out there available to sign in July

[winforlose]

I’d be surprised if WK is inserted to the starting 5 right away. I could see Pat Bev to the bench for JMcD. In fact I’d be surprised if that didn’t happen

I’d like

DLo/JMac
Ant/PB/WMJ
JMcD/Beas
FA big/V8
KAT/WK

I’d be shocked if dlo isn’t on our team now that the draft has past. Priority should be getting inside beef that can defend, rebound and switch with kat. Kessler helps but he’s probably going to take reids spot starting off. I haven’t really looked at who will be out there available to sign in July

I mentioned this in the draft thread but will say it again here, I know next to nothing about the new players we drafted. That said, I cannot see us using WK with V8. WK is not a shooter, and neither is V8. For that matter JMAC is not a consistent shooter either. Moore is a shooter, but it will take time for his shot to adjust to the NBA 3 and the NBA pace (not to mention level of defense and our offensive scheme.) I cannot see putting that much pressure on him right out of the gate. Moreover, Beasley is not enough to base an entire units offense around. He is a nice floor spacer, and can hit the open 3 in bunches. But his lack of handle and interior game means he can be taken away with sufficient perimeter defense. I understand your position, but for the reasons stated I cannot support your rotation.

Kessler will make the high wall work. KAT can defend the perimeter and when the big rolls they roll into our big man in the middle. He is also a lob dunk threat which is exactly how Gobert is used for the Jazz. He almost has to play with KAT.

Edit to correct a misread: I apologize. I missed PB on your rotation. My position remains the same as he is not that much better an offensive player than Moore and his lack of size combined with JMACs lack of size would create problems with rebounding and interior defense. Still I should have looked more closely and responded to your actual idea, again I apologize.

[jscott]

I don’t see JO being on this roster next season. Like the guy, hope he succeeds, but I don’t know that we will be re-signing him. Just my two cents.

[minimus]

Towns-Vando-Edwards-Bev-DLo
Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac
Kessler-Moore-Bolmaro-Nowell

+ Minott two-way

So we will try to find one player to fill 15th spot in rotation. Presumably a big wing or PF/C.

[winforlose]

Towns-Vando-Edwards-Bev-DLo
Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac
Kessler-Moore-Bolmaro-Nowell

+ Minott two-way

So we will try to find one player to fill 15th spot in rotation. Presumably a big wing or PF/C.

Possible but unlikely.

1. MCD is a SF not a PF. TP is not a PF either. Much better to sign and trade TP for a real PF than to run an undersized second unit.

2. High wall fails without a proper big in the middle to handle the rolling big. V8 proved he cannot contain the roller, so we must move KAT to PF and bring in someone who can contain the roller.

3. You don’t make Minott a two way. You sign him to the Naz Reid/Nowell contract and train him in the G league.

4. I see the appeal of putting both firsts in the G for a year to develop them, but both are needed up here this year, especially Kessler.

5. Nowell would leave the following year and we would miss out on his talent. He needs a regular rotation spot.

[minimus]

Towns-Vando-Edwards-Bev-DLo
Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac
Kessler-Moore-Bolmaro-Nowell

+ Minott two-way

So we will try to find one player to fill 15th spot in rotation. Presumably a big wing or PF/C.

Possible but unlikely.

1. MCD is a SF not a PF. TP is not a PF either. Much better to sign and trade TP for a real PF than to run an undersized second unit.
2. High wall fails without a proper big in the middle to handle the rolling big. V8 proved he cannot contain the roller, so we must move KAT to PF and bring in someone who can contain the roller.
3. You don’t make Minott a two way. You sign him to the Naz Reid/Nowell contract and train him in the G league.
4. I see the appeal of putting both firsts in the G for a year to develop them, but both are needed up here this year, especially Kessler.
5. Nowell would leave the following year and we would miss out on his talent. He needs a regular rotation spot.

1. Yes, MCD is a SF, but unless we find better stretch 4, he will play PF for us.
2. Towns at PF might work only against certain matchups. Will completely fail against other matchups. It is not solution to our problem.
3. Agree. Gupta special
4. Agree, lets give them garbage time minutes, plus some minutes produced by load management of key players.
5. Yes, we need to somehow re-invest Nowell value, free minutes in backcourt.

[Klomp]

It's easy to think about rosters like a depth chart, but a rotation is rarely like that in basketball because teams don't usually sub out all 5 guys at once. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.

[winforlose]

It's easy to think about rosters like a depth chart, but a rotation is rarely like that in basketball because teams don't usually sub out all 5 guys at once. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.

You saw our starters suffer with one non shooter in V8. Imagine that plus a guy who can only score in the paint. Now add any player who isn’t a serious threat from deep or who is extremely cold from deep on that night, or who is spot shooter (corners only for example.) Even if you could theoretically survive it, your more closing whole sections of your playbook.

[Klomp]

It's easy to think about rosters like a depth chart, but a rotation is rarely like that in basketball because teams don't usually sub out all 5 guys at once. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.

You saw our starters suffer with one non shooter in V8. Imagine that plus a guy who can only score in the paint. Now add any player who isn’t a serious threat from deep or who is extremely cold from deep on that night, or who is spot shooter (corners only for example.) Even if you could theoretically survive it, your more closing whole sections of your playbook.

You clearly did not read a thing a wrote, or are too dense to understand it.

Both players being backups doesn't mean they will always share the court.

[winforlose]

It's easy to think about rosters like a depth chart, but a rotation is rarely like that in basketball because teams don't usually sub out all 5 guys at once. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.

You saw our starters suffer with one non shooter in V8. Imagine that plus a guy who can only score in the paint. Now add any player who isn’t a serious threat from deep or who is extremely cold from deep on that night, or who is spot shooter (corners only for example.) Even if you could theoretically survive it, your more closing whole sections of your playbook.

You clearly did not read a thing a wrote, or are too dense to understand it.

Both players being backups doesn't mean they will always share the court.

Let me try again then. My original point is they cannot play together. Your point was “ So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.” But, you watched last season same as me. We saw Dlo or Ant get minutes with an otherwise consistent second rotation. We saw KAT play the first and third as well as half to a little more than half of the 2nd and fourth. We only 10 most games, so the idea that Kessler and V8 don’t play together EVER, or for any length of time is a hard one to swallow. My response was meant to address the times in which it does happen and underscore again the need to keep them apart.

[KGdaBom]

You saw our starters suffer with one non shooter in V8. Imagine that plus a guy who can only score in the paint. Now add any player who isn’t a serious threat from deep or who is extremely cold from deep on that night, or who is spot shooter (corners only for example.) Even if you could theoretically survive it, your more closing whole sections of your playbook.

You clearly did not read a thing a wrote, or are too dense to understand it.

Both players being backups doesn't mean they will always share the court.

Let me try again then. My original point is they cannot play together. Your point was “ So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.” But, you watched last season same as me. We saw Dlo or Ant get minutes with an otherwise consistent second rotation. We saw KAT play the first and third as well as half to a little more than half of the 2nd and fourth. We only 10 most games, so the idea that Kessler and V8 don’t play together EVER, or for any length of time is a hard one to swallow. My response was meant to address the times in which it does happen and underscore again the need to keep them apart.

Kessler had a bad 3% but at least he took them. His stroke actually looks pretty good so maybe he can get his % up to respectable.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

It's easy to think about rosters like a depth chart, but a rotation is rarely like that in basketball because teams don't usually sub out all 5 guys at once. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Vanderbilt and Kessler both being reserves.

You saw our starters suffer with one non shooter in V8. Imagine that plus a guy who can only score in the paint. Now add any player who isn’t a serious threat from deep or who is extremely cold from deep on that night, or who is spot shooter (corners only for example.) Even if you could theoretically survive it, your more closing whole sections of your playbook.

We’re probably stuck to subbing DLO out mid first so he can play mostly with the second unit with Jmac/Beas/V8 and WK

[minimus]

Next move: Towns needs to convince KG to come for private workout with Towns, Reid, MCD, Kessler and Minott. One weeks of video preparation and on court repetition: drop, switch, ice, rotation, defensive rebounding, closeouts, screens etc

[Nick K]

Towns-Vando-Edwards-Bev-DLo
Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac
Kessler-Moore-Bolmaro-Nowell

+ Minott two-way

So we will try to find one player to fill 15th spot in rotation. Presumably a big wing or PF/C.

Possible but unlikely.

1. MCD is a SF not a PF. TP is not a PF either. Much better to sign and trade TP for a real PF than to run an undersized second unit.

2. High wall fails without a proper big in the middle to handle the rolling big. V8 proved he cannot contain the roller, so we must move KAT to PF and bring in someone who can contain the roller.

3. You don’t make Minott a two way. You sign him to the Naz Reid/Nowell contract and train him in the G league.

4. I see the appeal of putting both firsts in the G for a year to develop them, but both are needed up here this year, especially Kessler.

5. Nowell would leave the following year and we would miss out on his talent. He needs a regular rotation spot.

I think they will move on from Dlo and Reid. Nowell has to improve his defense which kept him off the floor. Bolmaro badly needs G League big minutes. I'd like to see TP back at the right price. TP likes it here.

[minimus]

Towns-Vando-Edwards-Bev-DLo
Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac
Kessler-Moore-Bolmaro-Nowell

+ Minott two-way

So we will try to find one player to fill 15th spot in rotation. Presumably a big wing or PF/C.

Possible but unlikely.

1. MCD is a SF not a PF. TP is not a PF either. Much better to sign and trade TP for a real PF than to run an undersized second unit.

2. High wall fails without a proper big in the middle to handle the rolling big. V8 proved he cannot contain the roller, so we must move KAT to PF and bring in someone who can contain the roller.

3. You don’t make Minott a two way. You sign him to the Naz Reid/Nowell contract and train him in the G league.

4. I see the appeal of putting both firsts in the G for a year to develop them, but both are needed up here this year, especially Kessler.

5. Nowell would leave the following year and we would miss out on his talent. He needs a regular rotation spot.

I think they will move on from Dlo and Reid. Nowell has to improve his defense which kept him off the floor. Bolmaro badly needs G League big minutes. I'd like to see TP back at the right price. TP likes it here.

Yes, more changes coming this off-season. But as I said I don't like whole concept of getting rid of players who don't fit. I hope we can reinvest their value.

[Danimals]

Unless they move Dlo the rotation will remain mostly the same as last year. I expect they want to sign Prince on a one year deal, but he’s in his prime and one of the most sought after player types in the league. We’d all like to see BigMac start, but PatBev didn’t sign that contract to move to the bench. Kessler and Reid will be competing for the same handful of minutes Kat doesn’t play.

[minimus]

Unless they move Dlo the rotation will remain mostly the same as last year. I expect they want to sign Prince on a one year deal, but he’s in his prime and one of the most sought after player types in the league. We’d all like to see BigMac start, but PatBev didn’t sign that contract to move to the bench. Kessler and Reid will be competing for the same handful of minutes Kat doesn’t play.

Yes, short term I see our SF/PF position very undersized. Layman and Okogie probably won't return, Moore and Edwards are better at SG. It leave us only with MCD and Vando at SF/PF. We need one big wing who can be part of rotation.

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