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Do you think the Wolves going extra big is a good thing? 

Post#1 » by Calinks » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:43 pm

Lots of us have hated the small ball, it hasn't worked out too well. That said, do you think the wolves going big is the right move? Towns playing more 4? A bigger player next to him who can play some drop, protect the rim, be slower but a better defender? What are your thoughts? Do you think that's the right way to go, or should we still be looking at a stretch 4 type like we have in the past? Maybe go big sparingly?

The game has changed a lot and I think the NBA has gotten bigger in the last couple of years but it's still not to the point where having a twin towers setup is widely adopted.
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Post#2 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:45 pm

Calinks wrote:Lots of us have hated the small ball, it hasn't worked out too well. That said, do you think the wolves going big is the right move? Towns playing more 4? A bigger player next to him who can play some drop, protect the rim, be slower but a better defender? What are your thoughts? Do you think that's the right way to go, or should we still be looking at a stretch 4 type like we have in the past? Maybe go big sparingly?

The game has changed a lot and I think the NBA has gotten bigger in the last couple of years but it's still not to the point where having a twin towers setup is widely adopted.

I love playing bigger. The talent has to be there obviously. If we trade for Gobert, Turner, Collins or Capela the talent will be there
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Post#3 » by winforlose » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:53 pm

I have wanted KAT at the 4 since 2016. I believe this will help with his foul trouble and elevate his game. I think PFs will struggle to guard him back to the basket, and simply cannot guard him on the perimeter. I think the true C will feast on opportunities KAT creates. I think our rebounding will improve. Our defense will improve in the paint, which will allow better defense behind the arc (especially in the corners,) and I think we will be less ****** if KAT needs to miss a few games. All sunshine from where I am sitting.
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Post#4 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:59 pm

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Calinks wrote:Lots of us have hated the small ball, it hasn't worked out too well. That said, do you think the wolves going big is the right move? Towns playing more 4? A bigger player next to him who can play some drop, protect the rim, be slower but a better defender? What are your thoughts? Do you think that's the right way to go, or should we still be looking at a stretch 4 type like we have in the past? Maybe go big sparingly?

The game has changed a lot and I think the NBA has gotten bigger in the last couple of years but it's still not to the point where having a twin towers setup is widely adopted.

I love playing bigger. The talent has to be there obviously. If we trade for Gobert, Turner, Collins or Capela the talent will be there

Goberts a sexy splash. For me. Not for others.

I don’t think KATs a true 5. More of a hybrid since he was a 4 in college, albeit 7 years ago.

Gobert basically challenges every shot near the rim. Or makes drivers think about him as they get near the hoop.

He’s an expensive price that’ll be tough to chew. But that’ll be forgotten when wolves are challenging for a top seed and have a bigger lineup than most teams in the league.
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Post#5 » by Devilzsidewalk » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:02 pm

I want to be able to do both - and split it like 50/50, maybe 60/40 KAT at the 5.

Gobert could be interesting, but they'd have to balance the rotation perfectly. So if you said KAT is gonna play 17 minutes a piece or w/e at each spot, now there's 31 left at center, which is about perfect for Rudy's mpg. Question would be how close to the 40+ mil a year are you getting w/ Rudy age 30-33, playing 31 mpg, and possibly inconsistent role with how teams matchup against us. You'd have to be really certain that even when teams go small against us to try and exploit the frontcourt speed, that we're going to stick with it and be able to hurt them back with size. Because if that's not the case, now it gets kinda weird having Gobert on the bench for key moments as the 2nd highest paid player on the team.

I kinda feel like TC just wants to get rid of D'Lo and Beasley for a better player, and figure the rest out later.
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Post#6 » by life_saver » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:06 pm

I didn't really hate small ball...I liked it and it gave us some advantages matchup wise. There are teams around NBA that have played small ball and succeeded. Wolves problem wasn't playing smallball..it was that they were just not a good rebounding team. Grizzlies went small against Wolves and won because they dominated in rebounding despite playing a smallball lineup. Warriors also don't always play Looney and they are still one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The idea of pairing Gobert with KAT just doesn't make too much sense to me atm. I just never really imagined both of them playing in a same starting lineup.
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Post#7 » by NebWolvesFan » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:07 pm

I don't think it will happen this year. They aren't getting Gobert. His number is too high. Obviously, Demps loves him, but TC and Gupta are running the show. TC knows how important cap space can be in 2023 and Gupta hates players who are overpaid. Demps will be silenced.

Ayton is going to end up in Brooklyn eventually.

They may play some twin towers with Kessler, but I think we are in for another year of V8/Slo Mo/TP power forwards next to KAT and that's ok.
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Post#8 » by Domejandro » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:08 pm

Really depends on the other player, but I lean towards "most likely the answer is yes." Rudy Gobert (for example) is a pretty terrific fit, in my opinion. One day I'll draft up the massive post explaining the potential offensive synergy (maybe), but there is a lot to be optimistic about, with that fit.

There are obviously some tradeoffs, but the positives MASSIVELY outweigh the negatives.
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Post#9 » by life_saver » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:09 pm

Calinks wrote:Lots of us have hated the small ball, it hasn't worked out too well. That said, do you think the wolves going big is the right move? Towns playing more 4? A bigger player next to him who can play some drop, protect the rim, be slower but a better defender? What are your thoughts? Do you think that's the right way to go, or should we still be looking at a stretch 4 type like we have in the past? Maybe go big sparingly?

The game has changed a lot and I think the NBA has gotten bigger in the last couple of years but it's still not to the point where having a twin towers setup is widely adopted.

Not everyone hated smallball..what most of us hated was the poor rebounding..that wasn't necessarily because we played smallball. There are ton of contending teams this year that were even more smaller than Wolves (Bam at C, Rob/Grant Williams at C, Draymond at C, Grizz went with Kyle Anderson/Brandon Clarke as C vs us) and reached Conference finals, NBA finals. Problem isn't smallball..it's the poor rebounding. There are teams which were small but also great at rebounding.
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Post#10 » by life_saver » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:10 pm

I also think I am gonna lose lot of interest and enthusiasm I had on Wolves future if their plan is trade Gobert and pair with KAT.
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Post#11 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:18 pm

life_saver wrote:I also think I am gone lose lot of interest and enthusiasm I had on Wolves future if their plan is trade Gobert and pair with KAT.

To me that would be cause for great interest, enthusiasm and excitement.
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Post#12 » by Devilzsidewalk » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:20 pm

life_saver wrote:I didn't really hate small ball...I liked it and it gave us some advantages matchup wise. There are teams around NBA that have played small ball and succeeded. Wolves problem wasn't playing smallball..it was that they were just not a good rebounding team. Grizzlies went small against Wolves and won because they dominated in rebounding despite playing a smallball lineup. Warriors also don't always play Looney and they are still one of the best rebounding teams in the league. The idea of pairing Gobert with KAT just doesn't make too much sense to me atm. I just never really imagined both of them playing in a same starting lineup.


Agreed, the inept rebounding was brutal. Also just general defensive toughness was lacking much of the time. If it's like KAT, Juancho, Naz, Prince, Roco, etc...that's not a small-ball team just because they can shoot threes. The whole thing with the Warriors with Draymond, or the old school Nellie Ball Warriors with Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson, was that you had guys that were stout defenders that could defend up a position. None of our guys are that, they all crumble against size.

Then the whole drive and kick thing too - you don't get open threes by just passing the ball around the perimeter or D'Lo hostage-dribbling into a crowd. Edwards is the only rotation player that can drive and draw help defenders from the wing and get open threes.

Our whole small-ball ideology seemed super half-baked like Rosas didn't have a full understanding of how he was going to make things work. He just thought being able to hit a three was the golden key to everything.
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Post#13 » by MN7725 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:23 pm

Rob WIll/Horford
Green/Looney
Bam/Tucker
Powell/Finney-Smith

Wolves have horrible rebounders at guard/wing positions save Beverly, think they gain more trying to upgrade Russell/Beasley, pushing ANT to a SG role
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Post#14 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:42 pm

I am going to go with probably not a good thing.

I agree with many that if we were to experiment Turner is the logical target.
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Post#15 » by Calinks » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:02 pm

When I say going extra big I don't just mean Rudy. I mean getting any sizable big, mainly playing KAT at the 4 or getting someone just as large as him to play with him. Two guys close to 7 feet. Another guy who is a rebounder and a bigger inside presence. Could be Gobert, could be Truner, could be a lot of KAT and Kessler, etc.

Just more traditionally sized big guys as opposed to playing guys like Vando, Prince, and McDaniels at the 4 and 5.
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Post#16 » by life_saver » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:12 pm

MN7725 wrote:Rob WIll/Horford
Green/Looney
Bam/Tucker
Powell/Finney-Smith

Wolves have horrible rebounders at guard/wing positions save Beverly, think they gain more trying to upgrade Russell/Beasley, pushing ANT to a SG role

exactly. Our guards and wings were not good rebounders. Even Jaden is not a good rebounder. If the FO thought that the reason we lost the Grizzlies series was due to not being big rather than being a terrible rebounding team, then that's gonna set back this team for few years.
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Post#17 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:27 pm

Calinks wrote:When I say going extra big I don't just mean Rudy. I mean getting any sizable big, mainly playing KAT at the 4 or getting someone just as large as him to play with him. Two guys close to 7 feet. Another guy who is a rebounder and a bigger inside presence. Could be Gobert, could be Truner, could be a lot of KAT and Kessler, etc.

Just more traditionally sized big guys as opposed to playing guys like Vando, Prince, and McDaniels at the 4 and 5.

I like more traditionally sized bigs more than seeing Vando, Prince and McD at the 4 and 5. Let those guys play the SF. My lineup
Rudy
KAT
McD
Ant
Russell or whoever.

Just looking at how big/tall that lineup would be is putting a huge grin on my face right now.
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Post#18 » by MN7725 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:41 pm

life_saver wrote:
MN7725 wrote:Rob WIll/Horford
Green/Looney
Bam/Tucker
Powell/Finney-Smith

Wolves have horrible rebounders at guard/wing positions save Beverly, think they gain more trying to upgrade Russell/Beasley, pushing ANT to a SG role

exactly. Our guards and wings were not good rebounders. Even Jaden is not a good rebounder. If the FO thought that the reason we lost the Grizzlies series was due to not being big rather than being a terrible rebounding team, then that's gonna set back this team for few years.


Ant is awful rebounder for "SF" too, in particular to his size/strength

hopefully improvement/experience from ANT/Jaden solves a lot of the DREB problems

Brandon Clarke isn't really physically bigger than Prince, he's obviously more athletic and plays bigger than his size because of aggression
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Post#19 » by Biff Cooper » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:42 pm

It seems important to have a roster that has depth and the flexibility to be able to play effectively with both big and small lineups.
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Post#20 » by Krapinsky » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:42 pm

I've talked myself into it.

The mold to follow is the 2011 Mavs.

KAT = Dirk - 7 FT Stretch PF with defensive limitations. The Mavs could better hide Dirk on defense because they had Tyson Chandler, who at the time, may have been the best defensive Center in the game. With Candler carrying the weight defensively, Dirk's offensive game reached new highs. That's what I see happening here. We need our Tyson Chandler.
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