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This might be Beasley's replacement..similar profile. Good at shooting, nothing much else. Career 41.4% shooter from 3. Looks like it is a vet min deal

Nice, guy I said we should sign. He basically sucks at everything but shooting, which he's very good at. Could do worse. Hopefully it's the minimum?

Wolves needed shooting, what did he sign for?

Hasn't Connelly traded or signed him before?

Note30 wrote:Hasn't Connelly traded or signed him before?

Denver traded a 2nd for him last year

Hopefully vet min deal

So microwave quick to heat up off the bench. Not bad.

KGdaBom wrote:So microwave quick to heat up off the bench. Not bad.

Took the words right out of my brain, but added a certain pizzazz.

Wow love this signing and really helps out the bench and void left by Beasley.Need a reliable guy to hit 3's off the bench and Forbes in prefect in that role.Connelly is really building and interesting roster,still would like another big and possibly back up PG.

I wonder how much playing time J-Mac,Nowell,Forbes and Moore get as the back up 1's & 2's ? I liked the small sample size we had of Nowell running the point last season and might have our bench been Nowell,Forbes,Anderson,Prince & Reid.

Wolves21 wrote:Wow love this signing and really helps out the bench and void left by Beasley.Need a reliable guy to hit 3's off the bench and Forbes in prefect in that role.Connelly is really building and interesting roster,still would like another big and possibly back up PG.

I wonder how much playing time J-Mac,Nowell,Forbes and Moore get as the back up 1's & 2's ? I liked the small sample size we had of Nowell running the point last season and might have our bench been Nowell,Forbes,Anderson,Prince & Reid.

Especially backup PG. We are thin currently after trading Pat Bev. DLo does miss lot of games due to knocks..need a decent backup PG.

Good signing, great shooter, fills Beasley's role. Can he play any defense?
Surprised only vet min as I've heard so much the past couple years about how valuable elite shooting is.
Maybe we all greatly overestimated Beasley's value on that 15 mil contract.

younggunsmn wrote:Good signing, great shooter, fills Beasley's role. Can he play any defense?
Surprised only vet min as I've heard so much the past couple years about how valuable elite shooting is.
Maybe we all greatly overestimated Beasley's value on that 15 mil contract.

Beasley was able to shoot a good % on extremely high volume. Wasn't he taking 11 3s per game? We can't count on Forbes maintaining high 3% if we ask him to take that kind of volume. I think Beasley making top 5 3s in the league last year was worthy of his contract.

KGdaBom wrote:

younggunsmn wrote:Good signing, great shooter, fills Beasley's role. Can he play any defense?
Surprised only vet min as I've heard so much the past couple years about how valuable elite shooting is.
Maybe we all greatly overestimated Beasley's value on that 15 mil contract.

Beasley was able to shoot a good % on extremely high volume. Wasn't he taking 11 3s per game? We can't count on Forbes maintaining high 3% if we ask him to take that kind of volume. I think Beasley making top 5 3s in the league last year was worthy of his contract.

Sorry to say it, but high volume low efficiency is overrated. Beasley averaged around 1.12 points per shot and Nowell was closer to 1.22 points per shot. That works out to about 10 less points per 100 shots. Forbes will need to be defended the same way Beasley was. If they leave him open he will punish them. Forbes is a 41.3% career 3 point shooter. He will space the floor just fine. He is a great Beasley replacement, just a little shorter.

life_saver wrote:

Wolves21 wrote:Wow love this signing and really helps out the bench and void left by Beasley.Need a reliable guy to hit 3's off the bench and Forbes in prefect in that role.Connelly is really building and interesting roster,still would like another big and possibly back up PG.

I wonder how much playing time J-Mac,Nowell,Forbes and Moore get as the back up 1's & 2's ? I liked the small sample size we had of Nowell running the point last season and might have our bench been Nowell,Forbes,Anderson,Prince & Reid.

Especially backup PG. We are thin currently after trading Pat Bev. DLo does miss lot of games due to knocks..need a decent backup PG.

I think with Nowell, Moore Jr, and Slo Mo we can get by with just D-Lo and J-Mac.

winforlose wrote:

KGdaBom wrote:

younggunsmn wrote:Good signing, great shooter, fills Beasley's role. Can he play any defense?
Surprised only vet min as I've heard so much the past couple years about how valuable elite shooting is.
Maybe we all greatly overestimated Beasley's value on that 15 mil contract.

Beasley was able to shoot a good % on extremely high volume. Wasn't he taking 11 3s per game? We can't count on Forbes maintaining high 3% if we ask him to take that kind of volume. I think Beasley making top 5 3s in the league last year was worthy of his contract.

Sorry to say it, but high volume low efficiency is overrated. Beasley averaged around 1.12 points per shot and Nowell was closer to 1.22 points per shot. That works out to about 10 less points per 100 shots. Forbes will need to be defended the same way Beasley was. If they leave him open he will punish them. Forbes is a 41.3% career 3 point shooter. He will space the floor just fine. He is a great Beasley replacement, just a little shorter.

It's not the same. Beasley was quite efficient. You can't count on a guy with low volume to match his low volume performance on higher volume. It doesn't work that way. Forbes was a nice get, but there's a reason Beasley was making 8 times as much.

KGdaBom wrote:

winforlose wrote:

KGdaBom wrote:Beasley was able to shoot a good % on extremely high volume. Wasn't he taking 11 3s per game? We can't count on Forbes maintaining high 3% if we ask him to take that kind of volume. I think Beasley making top 5 3s in the league last year was worthy of his contract.

Sorry to say it, but high volume low efficiency is overrated. Beasley averaged around 1.12 points per shot and Nowell was closer to 1.22 points per shot. That works out to about 10 less points per 100 shots. Forbes will need to be defended the same way Beasley was. If they leave him open he will punish them. Forbes is a 41.3% career 3 point shooter. He will space the floor just fine. He is a great Beasley replacement, just a little shorter.

It's not the same. Beasley was quite efficient. You can't count on a guy with low volume to match his low volume performance on higher volume. It doesn't work that way. Forbes was a nice get, but there's a reason Beasley was making 8 times as much.

Beasley got paid for his potential, and his potential never really developed. He isn’t an average defender, he isn’t especially good at rebounding his position, he isn’t good at attacking the close out. Beasley is a quick release shooter and not much else. When he is hitting it is great, on a bad shooting night he gives you nothing. Forbes will create the same space that Beasley creates and won’t make you ride the roller coaster. Forbes averaged 8.8 ppg last year and Beasley averaged 12.2. If all else is equal (defense, ball handling, rebounding, ect…) is Beasley really worth that much more. BTW, Beasley had almost 8 more minutes per game than Forbes, with those minutes I am extrapolating that Forbes other numbers would be higher. His PPG would probably be closer to Beasley’s.

Krapinsky wrote:

life_saver wrote:

Wolves21 wrote:Wow love this signing and really helps out the bench and void left by Beasley.Need a reliable guy to hit 3's off the bench and Forbes in prefect in that role.Connelly is really building and interesting roster,still would like another big and possibly back up PG.

I wonder how much playing time J-Mac,Nowell,Forbes and Moore get as the back up 1's & 2's ? I liked the small sample size we had of Nowell running the point last season and might have our bench been Nowell,Forbes,Anderson,Prince & Reid.

Especially backup PG. We are thin currently after trading Pat Bev. DLo does miss lot of games due to knocks..need a decent backup PG.

I think with Nowell, Moore Jr, and Slo Mo we can get by with just D-Lo and J-Mac.

I haven't seen Moore Jr play..so not sure whether he is ready to contribute in his first season itself. I am expecting him to spend most of the season with Iowa Wolves

KGdaBom wrote:

winforlose wrote:

KGdaBom wrote:Beasley was able to shoot a good % on extremely high volume. Wasn't he taking 11 3s per game? We can't count on Forbes maintaining high 3% if we ask him to take that kind of volume. I think Beasley making top 5 3s in the league last year was worthy of his contract.

Sorry to say it, but high volume low efficiency is overrated. Beasley averaged around 1.12 points per shot and Nowell was closer to 1.22 points per shot. That works out to about 10 less points per 100 shots. Forbes will need to be defended the same way Beasley was. If they leave him open he will punish them. Forbes is a 41.3% career 3 point shooter. He will space the floor just fine. He is a great Beasley replacement, just a little shorter.

It's not the same. Beasley was quite efficient. You can't count on a guy with low volume to match his low volume performance on higher volume. It doesn't work that way. Forbes was a nice get, but there's a reason Beasley was making 8 times as much.

I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. The last 3 years Beasley has averaged 8 attempts. He's at 5 for his career. PER 36, it's 9.

Forbes averages 4 for his career and has averaged as many as 6 (at 38%). PER 36 he's at 7.4.

Beasley took a huge jump last year in both his 3PAr and amount of 3s, but before that he was very similar to Forbes.

winforlose wrote:

KGdaBom wrote:

winforlose wrote:
Sorry to say it, but high volume low efficiency is overrated. Beasley averaged around 1.12 points per shot and Nowell was closer to 1.22 points per shot. That works out to about 10 less points per 100 shots. Forbes will need to be defended the same way Beasley was. If they leave him open he will punish them. Forbes is a 41.3% career 3 point shooter. He will space the floor just fine. He is a great Beasley replacement, just a little shorter.

It's not the same. Beasley was quite efficient. You can't count on a guy with low volume to match his low volume performance on higher volume. It doesn't work that way. Forbes was a nice get, but there's a reason Beasley was making 8 times as much.

Beasley got paid for his potential, and his potential never really developed. He isn’t an average defender, he isn’t especially good at rebounding his position, he isn’t good at attacking the close out. Beasley is a quick release shooter and not much else. When he is hitting it is great, on a bad shooting night he gives you nothing. Forbes will create the same space that Beasley creates and won’t make you ride the roller coaster. Forbes averaged 8.8 ppg last year and Beasley averaged 12.2. If all else is equal (defense, ball handling, rebounding, ect…) is Beasley really worth that much more. BTW, Beasley had almost 8 more minutes per game than Forbes, with those minutes I am extrapolating that Forbes other numbers would be higher. His PPG would probably be closer to Beasley’s.

Beasley is everything you want from volume 3point shooter. He is a below average defender, but he is paid 15 mil. And moreover, we got him for literally nothing