2022/23 PG2 Poll

[winforlose]

This topic has come up in a few threads, but I wanted to make it into a poll. Our second string PG is likely to start at least 10 games with Dlo as PG1, probably closer to 20. Given the importance of PG2 it is worth asking the question, is JMAC good enough, or is it time to look elsewhere?

[Shaka_Zulu]

Defenitely should sign one. Dont trust Jmac to be, and Nowell is can do spot minutes there, but he is better off being full time Ant backup.

[Grubie024]

JMac is a solid facilitator and can score when the opportunity presents itself.
With this team, I think having a good facilitator at point is more important that a dynamic scorer/shooter at point. Also, JMac showed some grit in playoffs.
I'm good with JMac as PG2

[winforlose]

JMac is a solid facilitator and can score when the opportunity presents itself.
With this team, I think having a good facilitator at point is more important that a dynamic scorer/shooter at point. Also, JMac showed some grit in playoffs.
I'm good with JMac as PG2

JMAC is an unreliable scorer with season and career stats to prove it. His being undersized creates a liability on defense and our second unit is in desperate need of POA defense. JMAC turned it on in the second half of last season, but in the first half he was unplayable. Accordingly, you cannot risk a championship window season on an inconsistent and unreliable PG2. Especially with a PG like Dlo who tends to miss significant time every season.

[Worm Guts]

The best you can do with what we have available is sign someone to compete with him. Maybe provide different strengths for different matchups.

[winforlose]

The best you can do with what we have available is sign someone to compete with him. Maybe provide different strengths for different matchups.

Or trade Prince and Reid for someone and try to sign replacements for one or both of them. But I agree options are limited. That being said, I still think there are better and more reliable options than JMAC.

[Krapinsky]

I don’t like J-Mac filling in as a starter, but I do like him leading the second unit.

I think D-Lo should start, and if he gets hurt, then Nowell becomes de-facto PG for time being and J-Mac stays in his secondary role. A vet insurance policy would be nice, but if needed the team could always bring someone in on a 10-day contract.

[winforlose]

I don’t like J-Mac filling in as a starter, but I do like him leading the second unit.

I think D-Lo should start, and if he gets hurt, then Nowell becomes de-facto PG for time being and J-Mac stays in his secondary role. A vet insurance policy would be nice, but if needed the team could always bring someone in on a 10-day contract.

When I made the poll with Nowell as an option that was definitely a part of it. But, this means that either Forbes moves into the backup SG or we need to sign someone else at either SG or PG/SG combo.

I don’t know the rule with 10 days but I am pretty sure they start at least a few months into the season.

[Saltine]

Teams may sign players to 10-day contracts starting January 5 each season (even if January 5 falls on a weekend or holiday). Teams cannot sign players to 10-day contracts that would extend past their last regular season game. In other words, after their 80th game or after the 10th day before their last regular season game (whichever comes first) teams can no longer sign 10-day contracts.

A team may sign an individual player to two 10-day contracts in one season (they may or may not be consecutive). After the second 10-day contract, the team can only retain the player by signing him for at least the remainder of the season.

[winforlose]

A 10-day contract is just that, a player contract which lasts ten days (or three games, whichever comes later). Teams may sign players to 10-day contracts starting January 5 each season (even if January 5 falls on a weekend or holiday). Teams cannot sign players to 10-day contracts that would extend past their last regular season game. In other words, after their 80th game or after the 10th day before their last regular season game (whichever comes first) teams can no longer sign 10-day contracts.

A team may sign an individual player to two 10-day contracts in one season (they may or may not be consecutive). After the second 10-day contract, the team can only retain the player by signing him for at least the remainder of the season.

Thank you

[Biff Cooper]

I agree with Worm Guts. We need another PG on the roster. Since defense really isn't a strength of either DLo or JMac, it probably makes sense to have the 3rd guy be a guy with some defensive chops (Avery Bradley, Kris Dunn, etc). I'm comfortable with JMac being on this team and getting significant playing time. He is a good player that is going to struggle against some matchups.

I do notice that Real GM lists Bryn Forbes as a PG also...

[BlacJacMac]

I agree with Worm Guts. We need another PG on the roster. Since defense really isn't a strength of either DLo or JMac, it probably makes sense to have the 3rd guy be a guy with some defensive chops (Avery Bradley, Kris Dunn, etc). I'm comfortable with JMac being on this team and getting significant playing time. He is a good player that is going to struggle against some matchups.

I do notice that Real GM lists Bryn Forbes as a PG also...

Lazy on their part. Likely because he's only like 6'2.

[minimus]

JMac is our backup PG. Finch made it clear last season. As for regular season I think we will survive with JMac and Nowell filling the void when DLo is missing games. However, for playoff run both JMac and Nowell need to perform consistently.

[FinnTheHuman]

I'm fine with JMac as the 2nd string, but need insurance policy in case DLo gets injured and JMac doesn't perform up to standard. Bring in Austin Rivers, Dunn, Elfrid Payton or smth.

[Klomp]

Finch doesn't really require a "true PG" to run his system. If Russell is out, I'd expect to see plenty of Edwards, Anderson, Nowell and Moore bringing the ball up the court.

[winforlose]

Finch doesn't really require a "true PG" to run his system. If Russell is out, I'd expect to see plenty of Edwards, Anderson, Nowell and Moore bringing the ball up the court.

Moore lacks the handle and the experience to initiate offense at the NBA level. He cannot even function as a PG in the summer league where the competition is weaker than the G league. Ant has said he doesn’t like playing PG/initiating the offense. Nowell is a choice in the poll, but with the consequence of moving Forbes into the rotation at SG, and Anderson is far from ideal due to our lack of PF depth. We need another PG.

[Klomp]

Finch doesn't really require a "true PG" to run his system. If Russell is out, I'd expect to see plenty of Edwards, Anderson, Nowell and Moore bringing the ball up the court.

Moore lacks the handle and the experience to initiate offense at the NBA level. He cannot even function as a PG in the summer league where the competition is weaker than the G league. Ant has said he doesn’t like playing PG/initiating the offense. Nowell is a choice in the poll, but with the consequence of moving Forbes into the rotation at SG, and Anderson is far from ideal due to our lack of PF depth. We need another PG.

You're being far too hypercritical here.

It may or may not be Ant's favorite part of the game, but he's never refused to do it if called upon. Moore is fourth on my list to be the backup option to the backup in case the starter goes down. I'm sorry, but if you're expecting all-star ready abilities at this place from him, you need to adjust your reality.

As for your comments on both Nowell and Anderson, I think you are overanalyzing what you think is being asked of players. Just because a player dribbles up the court does not mean he needs to only share the floor with one SG, one SF, one PF and one C. Anderson initiating the offense does not mean we don't have another PF option just like Nowell initiating does not mandate Forbes entering the rotation. Kevin Garnett initiating offense in the 2004 playoffs did not neuter his effectiveness at PF.

[Klomp]

Can't count on it. He hates it. Nothing good comes of it. Biggest moment of the season to-date, and he wilts under the pressure of initiating the offense.

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[winforlose]

Finch doesn't really require a "true PG" to run his system. If Russell is out, I'd expect to see plenty of Edwards, Anderson, Nowell and Moore bringing the ball up the court.

Moore lacks the handle and the experience to initiate offense at the NBA level. He cannot even function as a PG in the summer league where the competition is weaker than the G league. Ant has said he doesn’t like playing PG/initiating the offense. Nowell is a choice in the poll, but with the consequence of moving Forbes into the rotation at SG, and Anderson is far from ideal due to our lack of PF depth. We need another PG.

You're being far too hypercritical here.

It may or may not be Ant's favorite part of the game, but he's never refused to do it if called upon. Moore is fourth on my list to be the backup option to the backup in case the starter goes down. I'm sorry, but if you're expecting all-star ready abilities at this place from him, you need to adjust your reality.

As for your comments on both Nowell and Anderson, I think you are overanalyzing what you think is being asked of players. Just because a player dribbles up the court does not mean he needs to only share the floor with one SG, one SF, one PF and one C. Anderson initiating the offense does not mean we don't have another PF option just like Nowell initiating does not mandate Forbes entering the rotation. Kevin Garnett initiating offense in the 2004 playoffs did not neuter his effectiveness at PF.

Let’s agree for the sake of argument that I am being too hypercritical. Let’s look at this way. Dlo is out with an ankle injury. He will miss 8 games. What is your starting lineup?

Next tell me whether you bring someone new into the rotation. If yes, is it Forbes, Moore, one of the two ways, or one of the as yet unsigned free agents? If no, do you shorten the rotation to 9, and how do you balance those minutes?

Putting aside the value of having an actual PG on the floor instead of just multiple guys who can dribble, there is also the fact that some guys are better on ball, and some off ball. You show a clip of Ant on ball getting to the rim for an easy slam. How many clips could I find of Ant struggling as the ball handler and then pair it with him saying he doesn’t want to be the PG. You cannot cherry pick the good or the bad to distort the picture.