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Around the league 22/23

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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#241 » by TimberKat » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:44 pm

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winforlose wrote:Give it a month and the Jazz will be as well.

You’re probably right, but I think there is a lesson to be learned here.

Overall, MIN has much more talent on the roster than either of these teams. However, teams with a strong organization and good culture can sometimes get their lesser talent to over-perform. They know how to stress win-creation, by insisting on defense or non-sloppy play. MIN’s organization is changing, but it’s nowhere near the level or tradition that UTA and SAS have. Maybe Finch can become our Pop someday, and that would be a monumental achievement, but for now, I don’t think the starts of the three teams is as shocking as many believe. It’s not just about talent.


True. But, month one is always chaotic, especially in the first 3 weeks. Guys who need structure tend to struggle while guys who don’t tend to over preform. Finch’s system tends to be on the looser less structured side as it is. This creates more opportunities to start badly. I just assumed with the level of natural talent we would be fine. But 2 years in a row I have been wrong.

Jazz are for real. Their top seven could start for any NBA team and for whatever reason just fits as a unit. It's definitely a playoff team. The interesting question will be who's their all star representative? I am beginning to think maybe Ainge really only wanted to trade Gobert and keep Mitchell to play small ball.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#242 » by winforlose » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:43 pm

TimberKat wrote:
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shrink wrote:You’re probably right, but I think there is a lesson to be learned here.

Overall, MIN has much more talent on the roster than either of these teams. However, teams with a strong organization and good culture can sometimes get their lesser talent to over-perform. They know how to stress win-creation, by insisting on defense or non-sloppy play. MIN’s organization is changing, but it’s nowhere near the level or tradition that UTA and SAS have. Maybe Finch can become our Pop someday, and that would be a monumental achievement, but for now, I don’t think the starts of the three teams is as shocking as many believe. It’s not just about talent.


True. But, month one is always chaotic, especially in the first 3 weeks. Guys who need structure tend to struggle while guys who don’t tend to over preform. Finch’s system tends to be on the looser less structured side as it is. This creates more opportunities to start badly. I just assumed with the level of natural talent we would be fine. But 2 years in a row I have been wrong.

Jazz are for real. Their top seven could start for any NBA team and for whatever reason just fits as a unit. It's definitely a playoff team. The interesting question will be who's their all star representative? I am beginning to think maybe Ainge really only wanted to trade Gobert and keep Mitchell to play small ball.


Give it time.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#243 » by Calinks » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:39 am

Yea I really like the Jazz too now. I don't think they are a top team but I think they will be fighting for a playoff spot. I could see them being in the 7-10 range. They got solid players, they play as a unit. They fit very well.

I really wish we could have gotten Clarkson, he can hit a jumper but he also attacks the rim. We badly need a guard who can attack the basket. Beasley has been balling the last couple of games, I really miss his ability to break open a game with hot shooting, Forbes isn't even in the same stratosphere.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#244 » by winforlose » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:49 am

Calinks wrote:Yea I really like the Jazz too now. I don't think they are a top team but I think they will be fighting for a playoff spot. I could see them being in the 7-10 range. They got solid players, they play as a unit. They fit very well.

I really wish we could have gotten Clarkson, he can hit a jumper but he also attacks the rim. We badly need a guard who can attack the basket. Beasley has been balling the last couple of games, I really miss his ability to break open a game with hot shooting, Forbes isn't even in the same stratosphere.


Forbes is an end of bench minimum making a small fraction of Clarkson’s money. Also, Nowell has more upside if we can get him going consistently. Nowell has been way to up and down this year.

The Jazz lack the star power to finish big games. They run well so far, but other teams are still figuring it out. I doubt they can compete at the same level in January, much less March or April.
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Post#245 » by Devilzsidewalk » Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:03 pm

I would assume on paper that the jazz would be getting bullied in the paint every night, but i guess that version of the nba has been reffed out of existence.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#246 » by TimberKat » Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:44 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:I would assume on paper that the jazz would be getting bullied in the paint every night, but i guess that version of the nba has been reffed out of existence.

They are actually fairly big. Markkanen is 6-11 and the Cavs really miss him as a "big 3", Olynyk is 6-11 and one of the dirtiest center around, Kessler at 7-1 looks like will be a good rotation player, and we all know about JV. They are on a 54 win rate right now, I can see them winning 48 games
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#247 » by minimus » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:58 pm

I am kind of worried about IND shooting ability. We need to play very disciplined basketball, stay connected to shooters.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#248 » by _AIJ_ » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:45 am

Sooooo, should we panic that we barely beat the 6ers with just embiid? Well, they are currently cooking the Nets with KD and Kyrie playing
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#249 » by theGreatRC » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:47 am

So do the Wolves get any props for beating Sixers with Embiid since Nets lost to Sixers WITHOUT Embiid? Or do the Nets and us just suck
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#250 » by Calinks » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:23 am

The Kings are about to beat the Grizzlies and win 7 straight for the first time since 2004! Ja Morant is playing. This is massive! They may be a top 6 seed. Wow, big time for them and those fans!
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#251 » by TimberKat » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:40 am

theGreatRC wrote:So do the Wolves get any props for beating Sixers with Embiid since Nets lost to Sixers WITHOUT Embiid? Or do the Nets and us just suck

No, I just feel sorry for Nets fans.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#252 » by TimberKat » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:45 am

Calinks wrote:The Kings are about to beat the Grizzlies and win 7 straight for the first time since 2004! Ja Morant is playing. This is massive! They may be a top 6 seed. Wow, big time for them and those fans!

Play-in is not automatic for Wolves anymore. Only SAS and HOU are out. I think OKC is on the fence and Lakers will be in the mix.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#253 » by Calinks » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:32 am

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Calinks wrote:The Kings are about to beat the Grizzlies and win 7 straight for the first time since 2004! Ja Morant is playing. This is massive! They may be a top 6 seed. Wow, big time for them and those fans!

Play-in is not automatic for Wolves anymore. Only SAS and HOU are out. I think OKC is on the fence and Lakers will be in the mix.

Yea, the competition is high. Kings are looking like players. I think the Jazz will be in the mix as well. We really need to push to be in that top 6. Play-in will be a nightmare.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#254 » by life_saver » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:46 pm

West is super competitive this season. Just 2 games separating 1st seed and 10th seed currently
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#255 » by _AIJ_ » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:12 am

Lets go Pistons!
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#256 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:56 am

The 8 loss club is growing in the west. Jazz, Mavs, and Blazers are tonight’s new members. Clippers are down double digits to GSW and could easily become members as well.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#257 » by TimberKat » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:09 pm

winforlose wrote:The 8 loss club is growing in the west. Jazz, Mavs, and Blazers are tonight’s new members. Clippers are down double digits to GSW and could easily become members as well.

Also could add Nuggets to that list. OKC should had win the game.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#258 » by minimus » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:46 pm

One of my favorite players in NBA

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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#259 » by twolves31 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:58 pm

minimus wrote:One of my favorite players in NBA



He's certainly in my top 450 players in the league conversation. If he one day finds his way back home to Minnesota, I would cheer him on.
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Re: Around the league 22/23 

Post#260 » by SSUBluesman » Sat Dec 3, 2022 3:22 pm

Watched a good chunk of the Hawks/Nugs from last night. Culver looks like he's filled out and was playing with confidence which was good to see. The crisp rotations I saw on some of Hawks defensive plays really stood out given our struggles there this season.
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