winforlose wrote:KGdaBom wrote:winforlose wrote:
This is where we disagree. Players don’t play barefoot or in socks. They play in shoes. Their actual playing height is what their natural height is + the height their shoes add. Who cares if Dlo is 6’2 if he plays at 6’4? Who cares if Ant is actually 6’5 if his shoes make him 6’7? If you want to separate them into actual height and playing height that is fine. The only number I care about and will ever care about within the context of basketball is playing height.
Regarding reach and eye level, reach is better known as wingspan and is a huge deal. The 6’4 Josh Okogie was playing PF because he had a 7 foot wingspan. But his smaller body and lanky body type also came at the cost of bulk. Being fat wouldn’t help him, and bulking up in the gym and would have cost him speed. His frame was not right for a PF, thus he flamed out and ended up in Phoenix. Reach allows for smaller guys to defender bigger guys, but it is better to allow bigger guys who are quick to defend smaller guys. MCD is a perfect SF because he can guard 1-3 with both a height and wingspan advantage. Add natural shot blocking and you hit the trifecta.
You can disagree all you want WFL. To me it's kind of embarrassing that you buy into that ridiculous argument. A persons height does not include any enhancements to their height. Anybody can manipulate height in shoes to be whatever they want it to be. The player has no obligation to wear the exact shoes they're measured in for games. Shoe thickness is not a constant so should never be included in a players height. D'Lo wearing thicker shoes is not going to help him play taller than Ja Morant. Also thicker shoes are very unlikely to help a player play taller. In most cases they would diminish the players vertical leap.
This is my last word on this subject. Actual height and game height are different because shoes (any kind of shoe,) adds at least 1-2 inches. If you stand taller your wingspans/reach is obviously boosted by that amount as well. Actual height is irrelevant to anything other than trivia, and biographies. While it is true that shoe height can vary, it is also true that most players won’t wear lifts to play. You could take the actual height and add two inches to approximate game height. But an easier way is to ask the players to wear the shoes they will use for the combine and then get a close approximation of in game height.
Wingspan is the measurement from the tip of one hand to the tip of the other. Wingspan is NOT affected. Standing reach would be.