Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

Post #1 » by **Domejandro** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:36 pm

Previous thread here.

Please remember to keep things civil. Makes it easier for the mods to take that last second glance before sending. Thanks!

Post #2 » by **Domejandro** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:37 pm

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frankenwolf · Post #3 » by **frankenwolf** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:49 pm

So what would it take, realistically, for Memphis to part with Tyus?

shrink · Post #4 » by **shrink** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:30 pm

frankenwolf wrote:So what would it take, realistically, for Memphis to part with Tyus?

Good eye, and I’ve been considering this question ever since he left.

Rosas made a lot of good moves, but his idea that DLo “would be our James Harden” was not one of them, and it cost us Tyus Jones. Tyus was an unspectacular shooter, but he was smart, played hard, and never turned the ball over. He was the anti-DLo. He might have wanted to stay, but Rosas rumored offer was only like $3 mil if I recall, and MEM offered 3 years for $28, so Rosas wasn’t even in the ballpark. He continued to improve, MEM loves him, and he signed a two year, $29 mil extension.

As to your question, I like Klomp’s idea of a deal around Mike Conley, and you can read my thoughts about that on the Trade Board. I will mention I’m in no rush to move Conley, who has been much better than I expected and I want him whispering in Ant’s ear about using Gobert and being a professional. Ja needs him in his ear even more.

Making the salaries work is more difficult. Brandon Clarke is a nice player, but with all our size, not one we really need. It looks to me that Zaire Williams has really taken a step back - he may be easier salary filler. Also, I would mention that MEM has six players making over the MLE, and this summer they will probably pay Dillon Brooks. MEM is one of the smallest markets in the NBA so salary matters to them; in fact, last year salary was the reason they didn’t bring back SloMo. If we can find a way to broker a three way that gives MEM some salary relief, that might be another pathway to bring Tyus home.

Post #5 » by **Klomp** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:07 am

A few other non-Jones names that may or may not fit as Conley's successor. Some will be harder (or even impossible) to acquire than others.

Immanuel Quickley
TJ McConnell
Marcus Smart
Killian Hayes
DeAnthony Melton
Monte Morris
Cole Anthony

Ethomasp31 · Post #6 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:38 am

Going back to the last thread....Mike Conley is two years younger than Chris Paul and about 6 months younger than Steph Curry. He is also less than a year older than KD who everyone on this board is scared to play. Some are even hoping we get the 6th seed to avoid him rather than the 4th or 5th seed. Personally I hope Conley retires as a Timberwolf and loved his quotes from AP Sports guy on twitter today. For me it's fun to watch a competent PG finally playing for the Wolves.

Neeva · Post #7 » by **Neeva** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:41 am

These are young PGS wolves should trade for , Tre Jones, Andrew Nembhard, Payton Pritchard or maybe pick up Malachi Flynn off the waiver wire next season?

Connelly kind of **** up drafting Wendell Moore instead of a pg to groom like Andrew Nembhard, who looks pretty good as a rookie although he is 23 years old already!

Neeva · Post #8 » by **Neeva** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:57 am

I like Mcconnell idea also, he’s not as young but Indiana has Haliburton and Nembhard already at PG and three first round picks in upcoming draft.

MN7725 · Post #9 » by **MN7725** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:59 am

Neeva wrote:These are young PGS wolves should trade for , Tre Jones, Andrew Nembhard, Payton Pritchard or maybe pick up Malachi Flynn off the waiver wire next season?

Connelly kind of **** up drafting Wendell Moore instead of a pg to groom like Andrew Nembhard, who looks pretty good as a rookie although he is 23 years old already!

Pritchard was the guy I was thinking of too, crowded out as the 5th guard on a championship caliber team, really like his game

I've always liked Delon Wright's defense, has been decent catch/shoot player in his career, he's 30 already though

Gabe Vincent is a UFA

TimberKat · Post #10 » by **TimberKat** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:24 am

I understand normally this is the time we start talking about next year, but this is not a normal year.

If we have to go there. I would say Tyus Jones or TJ McConnell would be nice to split minutes with Conley. I like Dennis Schroder too. If we could somehow swap Hayward for Prince (maybe mid-season buyout) would be great to get some consistent shooting off the bench.

Post #11 » by **Klomp** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:08 pm

I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

frankenwolf · Post #12 » by **frankenwolf** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

Sorry Klomp, but I know you've been around long enough to know that trading all-star players/generational talents never works well for the team trading said player. So, I would not trade KAT for anyone currently playing.

moss_is_1 · Post #13 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

If it's just KAT for #2 or #3 it's tempting. Clearing a huge salary and taking back nothing besides an elite prospect(Scoot or Miller). I think we would actually be able to have capspace in that scenario, even more if we worked something out with Prince/Conley. Could bring back Naz, etc.

BlacJacMac · Post #14 » by **BlacJacMac** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:35 pm

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

I'm not a big Scoot fan, so I'd want someone more proven if we're trading KAT.

Post #15 » by **Klomp** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:37 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:I'm not a big Scoot fan, so I'd want someone more proven if we're trading KAT.

Honestly, I haven't done much research on him, I just know he's been highly regarded for most of the season.

urinesane · Post #16 » by **urinesane** » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:42 pm

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns...

NO.

Why would you trade an All-NBA player on a longterm deal for potential?

Stop kicking the damn can down the road!

jpatrick · Post #17 » by **jpatrick** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:07 am

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

I don’t believe either the Wolves or the team with the #2/3 pick would do the deal. The interesting team is OKC. They have so much talent on the perimeter and I think Towns/Chet would fit well together. They could make a huge leap.

And I’m in the minority, I would trade Towns for this kind of return. I don’t think Towns is really a winning player (at least as an #1 or #2) and I don’t think Towns/Rudy will ever fit together well enough to make a championship run. I wouldn’t trade Towns unless you got back a player with all-nba potential like Scoot though.

Note30 · Post #18 » by **Note30** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:15 am

Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

Maybe if it was someone more recent in the NBA I would understand but a college kid? No way. This isn't LeBron or Melo you're getting back it's an unknown. Wemby is the only player in this draft who is a relatively known quantity at the moment.

Note30 · Post #19 » by **Note30** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:16 am

jpatrick wrote:
Klomp wrote:I am generally against doing a major shakeup at this point.

HOWEVER...

What would we say if Connelly was presented with an offer of trading Karl-Anthony Towns for either the second or third pick in the 2023 draft (plus salary filler, of course)?

Obviously, no GM would trade Victor for Karl. But if they've been tanking for Victor and come up just short, they could opt to go more in on a better player. Let's say Portland...if they don't get Victor, are they really going to add Scoot to their backcourt of Damian and Simons? Maybe they go Miller, but I feel like they'd be pretty disappointed with 2nd or 3rd. So if they need to trade the pick to keep Damian happy, KAT might be a strong option to them (have heard others mention Zion, which would likely beat our offer).

And for us...as a franchise who is looking ahead at life after Conley, Scoot is kinda intriguing.

I don’t believe either the Wolves or the team with the #2/3 pick would do the deal. The interesting team is OKC. They have so much talent on the perimeter and I think Towns/Chet would fit well together. They could make a huge leap.

And I’m in the minority, I would trade Towns for this kind of return. I don’t think Towns is really a winning player (at least as an #1 or #2) and I don’t think Towns/Rudy will ever fit together well enough to make a championship run. I wouldn’t trade Towns unless you got back a player with all-nba potential like Scoot though.

Shai on the other hand, would trade Towns for him in a heartbeat.

Baseline81 · Post #20 » by **Baseline81** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:30 am

Note30 wrote:Maybe if it was someone more recent in the NBA I would understand but a college kid? No way. This isn't LeBron or Melo you're getting back it's an unknown. Wemby is the only player in this draft who is a relatively known quantity at the moment.

It's happened before. Love for Wiggins comes to mind.