Fantasy Basketball 2023

[KGdaBom]

Hey all. I figured I should get the fantasy talk in an appropriate thread.

[KGdaBom]

I just finished a fantasy auction draft. Yahoo thinks I slightly overpaid for KAT at 32, I got Rudy at $14 Jaden for $5 and Conley for $4. I feel best about Jaden for $5. $200 budget three more players of interest. Tatum $55, Harden $28 and Bane $25.
After the draft I have the entire league beating down my door trying to get Bane. I have offered him for Ant. Don't be shocked if the offer is accepted. TOs, Shooting percents and assists all favor Bane. I could have the entire Wolves starting 5.

[KGdaBom]

I have an empty roster spot due to placing Troy Murphy who I got for $2 on the IL. I need a center. Options are Horford, Olynyk or Naz. I'm also trying to work out a trade. Does the Celtics getting Porzingis spell the end for Horford? Will Naz get more minutes this year? If the answers are yes and no that means it's Olynyk, but I'm not sure about what's the latest on him.

[Calinks]

If anyone here is doing a league again, I'll join.

[KGdaBom]

If anyone here is doing a league again, I'll join.

I know I screwed up before. Got overworked and didn't keep up with my duties. I'm retired now so if nobody else will I will volunteer. However, please somebody else step up.

[KGdaBom]

I just finished a fantasy auction draft. Yahoo thinks I slightly overpaid for KAT at 32, I got Rudy at $14 Jaden for $5 and Conley for $4. I feel best about Jaden for $5. $200 budget three more players of interest. Tatum $55, Harden $28 and Bane $25.
After the draft I have the entire league beating down my door trying to get Bane. I have offered him for Ant. Don't be shocked if the offer is accepted. TOs, Shooting percents and assists all favor Bane. I could have the entire Wolves starting 5.

I neglected to mention the price of a team in this league is the same as the budget. $200.

[KGdaBom]

Another $200 Auction league. Unique rules 9 usual cats, but instead of TOs it was A/TO. No position requirements and a 5-4 win counts as one win and so does a 9-0 win. 5 IL+ slots. I didn't draft anybody bigger than Durant and intend to win FT%, 3s, Points, Assists, Steals and A/TO every week punting FG%, Rebounds and Blocks. $300 auction budget. My team is Durant $65 , Lillard $55, Haliburton $73. Rozier $18, Middleton $12, Mike Conley $10, Miles Bridges $10 Yes I know, Josh Hart $8, Jaden McDaniels $7, Brogdon $7, Brandon Miller $7, Keldon Johnson $6, Trey Murphy $6, Huerter $5, Bojan Bog $5, Horford $3, Slo Mo $2, and Tim Hardaway Jr for $1. No waivers in this league so as soon as the draft was over there was a race to put players on IL+ and add free agents. I got 5 of my top 10 choices. For those who read this thanks for indulging me. If you care to share any thoughts that would be great. I give free advice if you want any.

[younggunsmn]

I don't know why you would draft anything but point guards in that 2nd league, rules seem very unbalanced.
Turnovers are there to balance PGs/Big Men.

I should know, every team I ever built, sans once in roto, was built around punting turnovers for assists and FT%,.

Also, trying to not be a complete doormat in big man stats, and bulking up on 3's and steals with my last roster spots as they are generally the easiest to find on the free agent/waiver wire throughout the year.
I had a lot of mixed success with that, generally a lot stronger regular season performance than playoffs.
(Now that I'm retired I can drop my secrets lol)
And my drafts were never auction, always played snaking draft order.

I miss fantasy basketball, but just don't have the time anymore with a toddler running around.
I wish you luck and hope you have lots of fun this year!

[KGdaBom]

I don't know why you would draft anything but point guards in that 2nd league, rules seem very unbalanced.
Turnovers are there to balance PGs/Big Men.

I should know, every team I ever built, sans once in roto, was built around punting turnovers for assists and FT%,.

Also, trying to not be a complete doormat in big man stats, and bulking up on 3's and steals with my last roster spots as they are generally the easiest to find on the free agent/waiver wire throughout the year.
I had a lot of mixed success with that, generally a lot stronger regular season performance than playoffs.
(Now that I'm retired I can drop my secrets lol)
And my drafts were never auction, always played snaking draft order.

I miss fantasy basketball, but just don't have the time anymore with a toddler running around.
I wish you luck and hope you have lots of fun this year!

I drafted very much toward the 6 guard cats, but Durant was needed for scoring and FT% and to give me just enough rebounding and blocks that I would beat those people that went nothing but PGs in the FG%, Rebounds and Blocks. If a team completely sells out to punt the 3 big cats I win those and then just need to win 2 of the guard cats.

TOs should not be put in the game to artificially diminish the value of guards. We don't have a missed shots cat we have FG%. We don't have a missed FT cat. We have FT%, We shouldn't have a TO cat we should have A/TO. That is a true reflection on the players ball handling skill. Not just a count of total TOs. The best players in the NBA have the most TOs. It doesn't mean they are bad ball handlers and they shouldn't be penalized for it. A/TO is fair.

[younggunsmn]

Respectfully disagree.

TO functions as kind of a negative counting stat that balances usage and efficiency (FG% and FT% are both skewed by volume too).
Demarcus Cousins was a turnover machine.

In short, Turnovers is the price you pay for loading up on offensive counting stats, since there are 5 standard offensive categories and only 3 standard defensive categories.
It allows you to run a competetive defense/efficiency build, we had a couple people put out pretty viable builds of that every year.
Those were cobra to my mongoose lol. Were always very interesting matchups.

Assist/TO is straight up a PG category. They are going to be the only position ever 2:1 or higher, and their high volume of both is going to skew things heavily towards their performance.

Plus your low Turnover 3+D wing or rim running shotblocker goes from being a big positive with a TO category to functionally useless there due to the extremely low volume of assists.

If your goal is to reflect real life value, FGA/TO or PTS/TO would allow for a wider variety of players to be competitive there.
A guy who scores 35 with 5 turnovers is going to fare worse than the guy with 12 pts and one turnover.
Would also have the side effect of taking out the missed game/AFK GM factor that always skews turnovers by making it into another percentage category.
But would significantly reduce its effect as an offensive counting stat counterweight.

[KGdaBom]

Respectfully disagree.

TO functions as kind of a negative counting stat that balances usage and efficiency (FG% and FT% are both skewed by volume too).
Demarcus Cousins was a turnover machine.

In short, Turnovers is the price you pay for loading up on offensive counting stats, since there are 5 standard offensive categories and only 3 standard defensive categories.
It allows you to run a competetive defense/efficiency build, we had a couple people put out pretty viable builds of that every year.
Those were cobra to my mongoose lol. Were always very interesting matchups.

Assist/TO is straight up a PG category. They are going to be the only position ever 2:1 or higher, and their high volume of both is going to skew things heavily towards their performance.

Plus your low Turnover 3+D wing or rim running shotblocker goes from being a big positive with a TO category to functionally useless there due to the extremely low volume of assists.

If your goal is to reflect real life value, FGA/TO or PTS/TO would allow for a wider variety of players to be competitive there.
A guy who scores 35 with 5 turnovers is going to fare worse than the guy with 12 pts and one turnover.
Would also have the side effect of taking out the missed game/AFK GM factor that always skews turnovers by making it into another percentage category.
But would significantly reduce its effect as an offensive counting stat counterweight.

Of course A/TO helps PGs. Why? Because they're good at it. Guards tend to make more 3s also. They tend to shoot higher FT%. Because they're good at those things. Maybe don't have TOs or A/TO if you don't want to reward good ball handlers. Maybe not have FG% or FT% so we don't reward good shooters.
If Missed FGs were used to cancel out FGM and missed FTs were used to cancel out FTM then sure have TOs to cancel out assists. Not 100%. but pretty close. Otherwise just like FG% and FT% have A/TO to be a reflection of efficiency. All the TO cat does is cancel out assists. In a TO league anybody with a brain punts assists (exaggeration, but not far from straight up truth). That doesn't mean you draft nobody with high assists because that person might do other things well, but their assists are worthless.
You might say I can win assists and sometimes win TOs. That's possible, but I can guarantee you that by punting assists I win TOs every time and it doesn't cost me a draft pick or an auction dollar. .

[younggunsmn]

Look, I used to hate the turnover category too. Just shook my head when a matchup came down to turnovers in the last game of the week. But I came to understand it's value. It's there to keep people honest with counting stats, and maintain balance.
I'd feel even more frustrated if a matchup came down to something as silly as A/TO ratio.

You are double dipping by having both assists and A/TO. Its like having offensive rebounds and total rebounds.
If you want to drop both assists and turnovers and combine them into one category with A/TO, I could totally see that, but IMHO counting stats are more pure and offer a much more reliable performance week to week.

When punting categories, my philosophy was that the more inconsistent the performance of the stat, the more likely I was to (soft) punt the category. FT% much more reliable than FG% unless you draft one of the handful of truly horrible FT shooters, who are almost never worth the tradeoff.

You have to gimp your team SO much to try to consistently carry FG% or turnovers, it was just never worth it to me.

The seasons I had my best teams I generally had 2 or more high efficiency assist machines, I didn't need a A/TO category to reflect that, it reflected across the board as I flirted with .700+ win % those years.

Assists WAY more consistent than turnovers unless/until a big injury, when voila, your turnovers category suddenly looks better.
You might get beat in turnovers by an AFK or injury ravaged manager. What is the point in stacking turnovers there when you should be blasting those teams with your counting stat categories? I've seen those "efficiency" assist-less builds actually lose to injury ravaged or AFK teams because their counting stats were so poor, when 6-3 should have been worse case scenario.

Big men get injured more often, and even when they're healthy blocks can vary wildly from game to game and week to week.
3PT usually very reliable and very easy to replace.

I guess anyone with a brain avoided Jokic or prime, pre FT disaster westbrook on draft day or Top 15 pick for a decade Chris Paul.
All players make turnovers, not just assist machines. KAT is a low assist turnover machine.

Ant doesn't generate a lot of assists yet, but his TO rate is good compared to his usage. That's not reflected in his A/TO.

Turnovers are about bang for the buck. They are a counterweight to every counting stat, just not assists.
A bad player is going to be toxic in fantasy if his turnovers don't offset his other contributions.
It's a key barometer to judge value when adding players to the fringe of your roster.
A/TO might as well not even exist for any low volume player you are considering.

[TwolvesFanRome]

Who do you think the players will be "sleepers" and "breakout season"?
I will do a fantasy basketball draft and I need some advice for the last few rounds!

[KGdaBom]

Players only double dip on assists and A/TO if they're good at it. People that are bad at it will be hurt by it. A/TO is not silly it's an efficiency stat. Players that are bad at it won't double dip. Good shooters like Durant, Bane and Curry Triple Dip with points/FG%/FT%. They're already being rewarded by all the points they score. Triple dipping should not be allowed . Inefficient chuckers like Kevin Porter Jr. and Randle will be hurt by it.

[KGdaBom]

Who do you think the players will be "sleepers" and "breakout season"?
I will do a fantasy basketball draft and I need some advice for the last few rounds!

The problem if we post it here and then draft with you or others here we are giving away our secrets.

[KGdaBom]

I now have $1300 invested in Fantasy Basketball this year with more to come. Probably $2000 by the time I'm done. I prefer Auction leagues where you can get any player you want by bidding. I've been getting Conley in every league, but I had the opportunity to get Scoot in the one today and I took that shot. Could be a big mistake.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I need your help!!

I am doing my fantasy basketball league with my friends..draft mode with cap.

I have to decide between DLo and Fultz...

[TimberKat]

I need your help!!

I am doing my fantasy basketball league with my friends..draft mode with cap.

I have to decide between DLo and Fultz...

DLo - He looks like a new person this pre-season. Moving faster, passing, and hitting shots.

[KGdaBom]

I need your help!!

I am doing my fantasy basketball league with my friends..draft mode with cap.

I have to decide between DLo and Fultz...

DLo has had a good preseason, but I don't trust it. I would go Fultz for sure.

[shrink]

When you play fantasy, the one stat that most correlates with production is …. minutes.

Too many guard options for Orlando, and if they drop in standings, they might try to get Anthony Black playing time too.

I’d take DLo. I know LeBron runs the offense some, but there is no really good PG back up for DLo, and they may ask him to score to keep LeBron and AD rested on lesser per game minutes, trying to avoid the new resting rules.