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What play do you run?

(I’m going somewhere with this thread, but I want to see some responses first.)

Plays we actually run (existing playbook) or ones we'd like to see run?

Is this for in a set, SOB or BOB?

I'm a big fan of "Horns" for MIN's team if they need a bucket, but it's one of the most run plays in the NBA for good reason. Ant running the action is probably my choice rather than Conley.

Ant (initiate)
Conley (left)
McDaniels (right)
KAT (pop to top of arc)
Gobert (roll to rim)

Is “Trade for DeJounte Murray” a play?

Low post with Towns, 5 out with Ant, or Horns - We should have 3 or 4 pet plays depending on match up. The coach needs to call it out or somebody call it out so all 5 players are on the same page. I don't think all the players were on the same page last night. It's more like give Ant the ball or Towns the ball and let them do whatever and the other players do whatever.

Jordan McLaughlin/Naz Reid pick and roll. Easiest two in the game.

I’m hearing a lot of different answers so far…

thinktank wrote:I’m hearing a lot of different answers so far…

What's your point man.

There are no plays in the "Flow offense" which is why we need a coach that runs an offense with plays. Our team isn't smart enough.

Araxen wrote:There are no plays in the "Flow offense" which is why we need a coach that runs an offense with plays. Our team isn't smart enough.

When we played Miami we were able to break their zone pretty easily. We aren't that dumb.

Note30 wrote:

thinktank wrote:I’m hearing a lot of different answers so far…

What's your point man.

My point is we have no identity.

Sometimes Rudy gets a bunch of looks. Sometimes he doesn’t.

Sometimes KAT is on the perimeter. Sometimes he’s posting up.

Sometimes Edwards is shooting a bunch. Sometimes he’s mostly facilitating.

Good teams have a go-to play or set. The Wolves don’t.

Teams without structured identify aren’t usually very good.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

thinktank wrote:My point is we have no identity.

Sometimes Rudy gets a bunch of looks. Sometimes he doesn’t.

Sometimes KAT is on the perimeter. Sometimes he’s posting up.

Sometimes Edwards is shooting a bunch. Sometimes he’s mostly facilitating.

Good teams have a go-to play or set. The Wolves don’t.

Teams without structured identify aren’t usually very good.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

And that's why there have been calls for Finch to be replaced, dating back to last year.

Baseline81 wrote:

thinktank wrote:My point is we have no identity.

Sometimes Rudy gets a bunch of looks. Sometimes he doesn’t.

Sometimes KAT is on the perimeter. Sometimes he’s posting up.

Sometimes Edwards is shooting a bunch. Sometimes he’s mostly facilitating.

Good teams have a go-to play or set. The Wolves don’t.

Teams without structured identify aren’t usually very good.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

And that's why there have been calls for Finch to be replaced, dating back to last year.

Correct.

Look at all the good teams throughout history. Maybe one championship team didn’t have a clear offensive hierarchy and they were all high IQ veteran players (Detroit).

We can’t be several different identities packed into one. We’re not smart enough to execute that vision.

We have to simplify our offense and figure out what works best, what doesn’t, and PRIORITIZE what we TARGET on offense.

This “any which way the wind blows” offense is NOT for this team. Finch is putting his offensive ideals before his roster, and that’s a big mistake. You play ball with the roster you’ve got and his job is to maximize this roster. It’s NOT a high IQ roster with Ant and KAT leading the offense. Finch needs to realize that and fast. He’s putting too much decision-making on too many low IQ players. We’re not the championship Spurs. Even talented Denver won a championship off of mostly one set last year. They ran it in-stop in the clutch. We don’t have any such set.

100% read and react does not cut it. We need more reliable and structured offense. Simplify.

thinktank wrote:

Note30 wrote:

thinktank wrote:I’m hearing a lot of different answers so far…

What's your point man.

My point is we have no identity.

Sometimes Rudy gets a bunch of looks. Sometimes he doesn’t.

Sometimes KAT is on the perimeter. Sometimes he’s posting up.

Sometimes Edwards is shooting a bunch. Sometimes he’s mostly facilitating.

Good teams have a go-to play or set. The Wolves don’t.

Teams without structured identify aren’t usually very good.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

Yeah I agree.

Our plays vary widely from game to game. We have a couple of plays we run consistently, but none of them are real actions. Hell I feel like I see younger crappier teams running more of an offense than we do.

The other issue is that we have a terrible transition offense.

Note30 wrote:

thinktank wrote:

Note30 wrote:
What's your point man.

My point is we have no identity.

Sometimes Rudy gets a bunch of looks. Sometimes he doesn’t.

Sometimes KAT is on the perimeter. Sometimes he’s posting up.

Sometimes Edwards is shooting a bunch. Sometimes he’s mostly facilitating.

Good teams have a go-to play or set. The Wolves don’t.

Teams without structured identify aren’t usually very good.

That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

Yeah I agree.

Our plays vary widely from game to game. We have a couple of plays we run consistently, but none of them are real actions. Hell I feel like I see younger crappier teams running more of an offense than we do.

The other issue is that we have a terrible transition offense.

Younger teams do run more set plays than us. It gives confidence to players and breeds better decision-making because the options are limited / not as unlimited.

The cruel reality is that we also lack a defensive identity. After this week, we’ll no longer have anywhere near the top defensive rank. On that side of the ball, we play some Drop and we play some Up or High Wall coverage. Some teams can do both, but again, our low IQ prevents us from doing both well. Gotta simplify on D too.

In summary, we need a tighter, more structured IDENTITY, so our low IQ all-star players can THINK LESS and SUCCEED MORE.

EDIT: Look back on the last games of the season last year when KAT just came back. We were playing well. Finch has said in podcasts and interviews that th eh weren’t able to prepare for KAT and they had to “just play”. Well, they ran post-ups for KAT and it was very effective. In “just play” mode, our guys did what they felt they were good at and it worked. Let’s get back to that. Less read and react and more simplified O playing to our low IQ guys’ strengths, which is not read and react. They’re making too many poor decisions right now.

I agree that we do not have an established identity. I thought maybe we figured it out this summer and in camp but the first 3 games and how all over the place we have looked indicate otherwise. It's a big problem, we don't know who we are as a team. The only players who seem really comfortable right now are Rudy and Conely.

Calinks wrote:I agree that we do not have an established identity. I thought maybe we figured it out this summer and in camp but the first 3 games and how all over the place we have looked indicate otherwise. It's a big problem, we don't know who we are as a team. The only players who seem really comfortable right now are Rudy and Conely.

My question is how does this happen?

The head coach should be detailing this to his players in camp. This is who we are, how I want us to play, etc.

Calinks wrote:I agree that we do not have an established identity. I thought maybe we figured it out this summer and in camp but the first 3 games and how all over the place we have looked indicate otherwise. It's a big problem, we don't know who we are as a team. The only players who seem really comfortable right now are Rudy and Conely.

Probably because they came from a team they had played on for years that has a solid identity, and they have a ton of experience together.

Detroits identity was defense. That Detroit v. San Antonio series was epic defense.

Rip was a 2pt Curry, running endlessly off screens all game long.
Honestly we should go for that model. Gobert is Wallace, KAT is Rasheed, Ant is a more athletic Rip, Mike is a less athletic Chauncey.