Dilly or Dejounte

[KGdaBom]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

[jpatrick]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

It would have been impossible for us to make that deal without sending out 30m in salary. So would have cost us McDaniels or KAT most likely.

If we’re talking just the player, for this year, Murray will clearly better be a better player. Longterm, I’m not sure. Dillingham, with his shot creation/shooting, might be a better fit but his floor is Bones Hyland low.

[thinktank]

Dilly is way cheaper and better for keeping our guys.

[KGdaBom]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

It would have been impossible for us to make that deal without sending out 30m in salary. So would have cost us McDaniels or KAT most likely.

If we’re talking just the player, for this year, Murray will clearly better be a better player. Longterm, I’m not sure. Dillingham, with his shot creation/shooting, might be a better fit but his floor is Bones Hyland low.

Dejounte is a big guard who brings plenty of offense plus good defense. I'm psyched for Dilly, but also concerned about that floor you brought up. The Pelicans gave up no players of value. Could we have done NAW and whatever to make it happen and not give up any players of value?

[KGdaBom]

Dilly is way cheaper and better for keeping our guys.

Very true. It's the abysmal defense that concerns me.

[winforlose]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

1. You assume that the Hawks were willing to accept an unprotected 2031 pick and a lightly protected pick swap in 2030 for DJM, but that is an assumption. Who knows what there short or long term plans are. The picks they got help them sooner and are also better as short term trade pieces if they have more moves in the works.

2. Others already mentioned it but for the sake of a complete answer, DJM is not worth KAT or Jaden.

3. RD could still be a bust. We don’t know if he can learn to play defense, maintain his shot at the NBA level, or stay healthy in an 82 game season. Rookies are always a gamble no matter where you draft them. We have seen Culver and Dunn fail in the top 6, and we have seen Jaden rise at the end of the first round. But, for all the risk of RD being a bust, we also get the benefit of his rookie scale deal and the RFA rights after it. Don’t underestimate the value of control and cost control players for teams in our situation.

We were not going to trade a rotation piece unless we got a clear advantage for doing so. Trading KAT for DJM or Jaden for DJM is a step backwards, not forwards.

[BlacJacMac]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

It would have been impossible for us to make that deal without sending out 30m in salary. So would have cost us McDaniels or KAT most likely.

If we’re talking just the player, for this year, Murray will clearly better be a better player. Longterm, I’m not sure. Dillingham, with his shot creation/shooting, might be a better fit but his floor is Bones Hyland low.

Dejounte is a big guard who brings plenty of offense plus good defense. I'm psyched for Dilly, but also concerned about that floor you brought up. The Pelicans gave up no players of value. Could we have done NAW and whatever to make it happen and not give up any players of value?

You're 26M short.

[BlacJacMac]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

1. You assume that the Hawks were willing to accept an unprotected 2031 pick and a lightly protected pick swap in 2030 for DJM, but that is an assumption. Who knows what there short or long term plans are. The picks they got help them sooner and are also better as short term trade pieces if they have more moves in the works.

2. Others already mentioned it but for the sake of a complete answer, DJM is not worth KAT or Jaden.

3. RD could still be a bust. We don’t know if he can learn to play defense, maintain his shot at the NBA level, or stay healthy in an 82 game season. Rookies are always a gamble no matter where you draft them. We have seen Culver and Dunn fail in the top 6, and we have seen Jaden rise at the end of the first round. But, for all the risk of RD being a bust, we also get the benefit of his rookie scale deal and the RFA rights after it. Don’t underestimate the value of control and cost control players for teams in our situation.

We were not going to trade a rotation piece unless we got a clear advantage for doing so. Trading KAT for DJM or Jaden for DJM is a step backwards, not forwards.

We would've had to make the trade for #8 and then send that pick to Atlanta for them to even listen.

The salary match was the big problem.

[TimberKat]

We have the second highest payroll right now in the NBA. I am wondering a Towns for Murray + the #1 overall + 'x' would had been a better trade for both sides. Dilly is not going to have much contribution next year.

[KGdaBom]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

1. You assume that the Hawks were willing to accept an unprotected 2031 pick and a lightly protected pick swap in 2030 for DJM, but that is an assumption. Who knows what there short or long term plans are. The picks they got help them sooner and are also better as short term trade pieces if they have more moves in the works.

2. Others already mentioned it but for the sake of a complete answer, DJM is not worth KAT or Jaden.

3. RD could still be a bust. We don’t know if he can learn to play defense, maintain his shot at the NBA level, or stay healthy in an 82 game season. Rookies are always a gamble no matter where you draft them. We have seen Culver and Dunn fail in the top 6, and we have seen Jaden rise at the end of the first round. But, for all the risk of RD being a bust, we also get the benefit of his rookie scale deal and the RFA rights after it. Don’t underestimate the value of control and cost control players for teams in our situation.

We were not going to trade a rotation piece unless we got a clear advantage for doing so. Trading KAT for DJM or Jaden for DJM is a step backwards, not forwards.

No I'm not assuming 1. The trades didn't have to be identical.
2 Would we have had to give up KAT or Jaden or could we have worked it out in another way. The Pels gave up no player of value.
3 Exactly what you said. Better contract, but bust possibility. I'm excited for Dilly, but also concerned. We would have got a sure thing in Dejounte. Here's hoping for the best.

[KGdaBom]

It would have been impossible for us to make that deal without sending out 30m in salary. So would have cost us McDaniels or KAT most likely.

If we’re talking just the player, for this year, Murray will clearly better be a better player. Longterm, I’m not sure. Dillingham, with his shot creation/shooting, might be a better fit but his floor is Bones Hyland low.

Dejounte is a big guard who brings plenty of offense plus good defense. I'm psyched for Dilly, but also concerned about that floor you brought up. The Pelicans gave up no players of value. Could we have done NAW and whatever to make it happen and not give up any players of value?

You're 26M short.

That's why I'm asking. Could we have made it work without a core player or was that impossible.

[jpatrick]

We have the second highest payroll right now in the NBA. I am wondering a Towns for Murray + the #1 overall + 'x' would had been a better trade for both sides. Dilly is not going to have much contribution next year.

I think Hawks about to go into full rebuild mode, which wouldn’t include trading the #1 pick.

Rockets wouldn’t do this but I loved the idea of Smith, #3 (Sheppard), filler for KAT. I don’t think KAT’s impact on this team is worth the 50m+ that puts us in tax purgatory. And I love the potential of both Sheppard and Smith.

[KGdaBom]

I don't understand the cap rules, but other than that It is obvious we could have traded for Dejounte instead of drafting Dilly. (yep I'm going with the nickname). Did we make the right/wrong choice? Help me out here.

1. You assume that the Hawks were willing to accept an unprotected 2031 pick and a lightly protected pick swap in 2030 for DJM, but that is an assumption. Who knows what there short or long term plans are. The picks they got help them sooner and are also better as short term trade pieces if they have more moves in the works.

2. Others already mentioned it but for the sake of a complete answer, DJM is not worth KAT or Jaden.

3. RD could still be a bust. We don’t know if he can learn to play defense, maintain his shot at the NBA level, or stay healthy in an 82 game season. Rookies are always a gamble no matter where you draft them. We have seen Culver and Dunn fail in the top 6, and we have seen Jaden rise at the end of the first round. But, for all the risk of RD being a bust, we also get the benefit of his rookie scale deal and the RFA rights after it. Don’t underestimate the value of control and cost control players for teams in our situation.

We were not going to trade a rotation piece unless we got a clear advantage for doing so. Trading KAT for DJM or Jaden for DJM is a step backwards, not forwards.

We would've had to make the trade for #8 and then send that pick to Atlanta for them to even listen.

The salary match was the big problem.

Trading for 8 and forwarding to Atlanta sounds right. Then figure out how to make the salary match. I don't know how we could have done that.

[thinktank]

Dilly is way cheaper and better for keeping our guys.

Very true. It's the abysmal defense that concerns me.

Don’t be concerned. Some guys are so good on O that it overshadows defensive liability. Think Jason Terry. You need microwave air fry guys like this.

[BlacJacMac]

1. You assume that the Hawks were willing to accept an unprotected 2031 pick and a lightly protected pick swap in 2030 for DJM, but that is an assumption. Who knows what there short or long term plans are. The picks they got help them sooner and are also better as short term trade pieces if they have more moves in the works.

2. Others already mentioned it but for the sake of a complete answer, DJM is not worth KAT or Jaden.

3. RD could still be a bust. We don’t know if he can learn to play defense, maintain his shot at the NBA level, or stay healthy in an 82 game season. Rookies are always a gamble no matter where you draft them. We have seen Culver and Dunn fail in the top 6, and we have seen Jaden rise at the end of the first round. But, for all the risk of RD being a bust, we also get the benefit of his rookie scale deal and the RFA rights after it. Don’t underestimate the value of control and cost control players for teams in our situation.

We were not going to trade a rotation piece unless we got a clear advantage for doing so. Trading KAT for DJM or Jaden for DJM is a step backwards, not forwards.

We would've had to make the trade for #8 and then send that pick to Atlanta for them to even listen.

The salary match was the big problem.

Trading for 8 and forwarding to Atlanta sounds right. Then figure out how to make the salary match. I don't know how we could have done that.

We couldn't without giving up Towns or McDaniels.

The only way to get there without giving up either of them (or Ant or Rudy) would be Conley + Naz + NAW. And Conley has a no-trade clause.

[thinktank]

Btw, I’m going with Bob Dilly. “Bob” may just be light rookie hazing on my part.

[Neeva]

I hope “Dilly” goes the way of your “Gobear” non sense.
personally I think in 3-4 years we will be more than thrilled with Rob, he’s a better three point shooter than Murray which we need and Murray’s defense is overrated. Also the salary difference is big and in 2 years Murray is gonna wanna get paid over 38-40 million per season, maybe even more

[BlacJacMac]

I hope “Dilly” goes the way of your “Gobear” non sense.
personally I think in 3-4 years we will be more than thrilled with Rob, he’s a better three point shooter than Murray which we need and Murray’s defense is overrated. Also the salary difference is big and 2 years Murray is gonna wanna get paid over 38-40 million per season, maybe even more

He's also much more aggressive pushing the pace (which is something TC has mentioned numerous times since the draft that we absolutely need to do). He's also going to put pressure on the basket in a way that Murray just doesn't.

[shrink]

We’re a second apron team, and that started right after our final playoff game.

We can’t trade McDaniels for Dejounte, because we can’t take back more salary than we send out.

We can’t trade Conley + Naz + NAW because we can’t aggregate salary to match.

The only three players that make more the DeJounte are Ant, Gobert and KAT.

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Dejounte is certainly a better player defensively. However, Dillingham is locked into rookie scale for the next four years, so we can afford to keep him. He has the upside to be great.

[winforlose]

We’re a second apron team, and that started right after our final playoff game.

We can’t trade McDaniels for Dejounte, because we can’t take back more salary than we send out.

We can’t trade Conley + Naz + NAW because we can’t aggregate salary to match.

The only three players that make more the DeJounte are Ant, Gobert and KAT.

——

Dejounte is certainly a better player defensively. However, Dillingham is locked into rookie scale for the next four years, so we can afford to keep him. He has the upside to be great.

Sorry but this incorrect. If it were correct we could not trade the 2031 1st as it is 7 years out. We will not be a 2nd apron team until we actually cross the apron. I need to see the numbers to confirm, but I think that might be when we sign the rookies.