The official fire Chris Finch thread

[Loaf_of_bread]

Either blame the players, or blame the coaches, but this team is vastly under-performing.

Early in the season Finch eluded to the fact that we have so much talent that there are starting caliber players we don't start.

What an astute statement to make looking at our current record, and lack of chemistry on both ends of the floor.

Ant is airing dirty laundry, there are obvious issues with rudy/Randle, ddv playing disinterested, jaden playing like ****, rotational question marks, and refusal to play outside of 8 guys a night.

All of this shows signs of an unorganized/poorly managed team. While the players need to be held accountable, the underlying cause is the coaching staff.

While I would like to see us go on a run, I just don't see it. It's time to find a new head coach.

[winforlose]

Either blame the players, or blame the coaches, but this team is vastly under-performing.

Early in the season Finch eluded to the fact that we have so much talent that there are starting caliber players we don't start.

What an astute statement to make looking at our current record, and lack of chemistry on both ends of the floor.

Ant is airing dirty laundry, there are obvious issues with rudy/Randle, ddv playing disinterested, jaden playing like ****, rotational question marks, and refusal to play outside of 8 guys a night.

All of this shows signs of an unorganized/poorly managed team. While the players need to be held accountable, the underlying cause is the coaching staff.

While I would like to see us go on a run, I just don't see it. It's time to find a new head coach.

I want one game with a 9 man or 10 man rotation where Ant and Randle are both out. I think we win by 20. I think Finch cannot or will not hold these guys accountable and they are the root of all this teams problems. I think we have seen multiple games now where the non Ant minutes bring us back, and then we find ways to collapse when he comes back in. Randle is even more obviously at the root of the problem with his selfish offense and disinterested defense. Finch has lost the locker room because he cannot get through to his stars.

[Neeva]

I hope Finch is gone by trade deadline. Wolves need a coach that will instill more discipline and just the **** basics. I am sick of the sloppiness (and stubbornness) under Finch. Wolves need a head coach that also has better offensive system and can teach Ant to play better team ball and help develop Rob and TJ as well. A coach that has better instincts with lineups that are working each game and knows when to call timeouts, Finch just ain’t that guy, he’s an assistant type of coach, one that doesn’t have to make the final decisions…


Maybe wolves should give Chris Quinn a shot at being a head coach.

[shrink]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

[winforlose]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

Edit to correct: Hine asked the initial question in the post game interview. I posted the video below. I apologize, it was mistake that may have led people to waste time searching. It is my bad and I take responsibility. Again I posted it below and mention time codes to both correct the mistake and apologize for any inconvenience it caused.

[Klomp]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

So you think that in order for Finch to prove his worth, he needs to DNP-CD Anthony Edwards if he makes a play that is outside of the previous game plan?

[winforlose]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

So you think that in order for Finch to prove his worth, he needs to DNP-CD Anthony Edwards if he makes a play that is outside of the previous game plan?

Klomp you are better than this. I mean really? “If he makes a play that is outside the previous gameplan.” Dude, that isn’t even in the same universe of the comment I made above. What I said is that Ant has spent 5 years ignoring the game plan. His hero ball bullsh** has cost us playoff series (Memphis anyone.) Do you honestly want to declare that we are better off with Ant who publicly states after a loss I don’t follow the game plan or listen to the coach… but I am going to start to… next time. Also he goes on to trash his teammates for doing as he does instead of what he says. You bench Ant in the fourth or more specifically end of game if he doesn’t bother playing with energy the rest of the game (not getting up for bad teams,) or if he will only pass to people he likes (Haden or Mike instead of moving the ball,) or is dribbling the air out of it before taking a no pass shot. You cannot watch these games, listen to the coach, and say the coach has any control whatsoever on this game when Ant and Randle are in. Unless you believe that Finch loves ISO ball on this team? BTW… if he does love ISO ball on this team, that should get him fired for a whole different reason.

[TimberKat]

I haven't listened to Ant's interview. Let's assume he said that and from what I can tell on the court he really is playing his own way. Either he or Finch has to go. We should had traded Ant instead of Towns. Sell high, buy low (instead of the other way around). Sometimes, players need to make multiple stops before learning how to play and Ant seems to be one of them. Also, I hope this is really less of a problem than what we see on the surface.

[winforlose]

I haven't listened to Ant's interview. Let's assume he said that and from what I can tell on the court he really is playing his own way. Either he or Finch has to go. We should had traded Ant instead of Towns. Sell high, buy low (instead of the other way around). Sometimes, players need to make multiple stops before learning how to play and Ant seems to be one of them. Also, I hope this is really less of a problem than what we see on the surface.

Starts at 00:50 and kinda weaves around a bit, but he talks about it at that time code and comes back to a bit later, (for context it picks back up around 3:30 for specific reference 4:25.)

Watch on YouTube

[Loaf_of_bread]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

Edit to correct: Hine asked the initial question in the post game interview. I posted the video below. I apologize, it was mistake that may have led people to waste time searching. It is my bad and I take responsibility. Again I posted it below and mention time codes to both correct the mistake and apologize for any inconvenience it caused.

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

[winforlose]

Chris Finch has had three seasons of getting more out of MIN’s mismatched, one-way players than we could have hoped for. By every report in the last three years, he’s beloved by players for his direct style and honesty. I don’t think he’s getting fired.

That said, there is one sure way to lose your job as a coach. It isn’t losing games - lots of coaches lose games. It’s not even making some boneheaded plays in the critical final minutes. The one way to lose your job as a coach is to lose the locker room.

Want an extreme case? When Sprewell wanted to feed his kids, and Cassell was mad because he didn’t want to stick to his word and renegotiate his contract at the end of the season, they poisoned the locker room. MIN loved Flip. McHale loved Flip. By all objective measures, he was the best coach the team had had at that time by a mile. And he was one of us. But years of success credit mean nothing if you lose the locker room.

So that’s my question. Do you think Finch has lost the locker room, and the confidence of Anthony Edwards? If so, do you think he will get it back? If you don’t think so, we won’t see players sent home, or benched for a week, even if they are the problem. If the players have stopped listening to Finch, Finch will get the axe.

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

Edit to correct: Hine asked the initial question in the post game interview. I posted the video below. I apologize, it was mistake that may have led people to waste time searching. It is my bad and I take responsibility. Again I posted it below and mention time codes to both correct the mistake and apologize for any inconvenience it caused.

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

P.S playing as requested and following the scheme are different things. The coach might tell a guy take less mid range shots and the player ignores him. That isn’t great, but players have a degree of autonomy, and sometimes they need to trust their judgement. Not following the offensive scheme means the whole team struggles to hit their shots (out of rhythm,) creates live ball turnovers, (often with 2-3 easy points for the other team,) and failures to rotate on defense leave wide open 3 point shooters and layup lines at the rim. This isn’t Ant ignoring small things Finch asks, this is the whole game plan falling apart and losing multiple games to sub .500 teams as a result. This is the **** you MUST fix or you won’t be playing in June no matter how much talent you have.

[Klomp]

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

Edit to correct: Hine asked the initial question in the post game interview. I posted the video below. I apologize, it was mistake that may have led people to waste time searching. It is my bad and I take responsibility. Again I posted it below and mention time codes to both correct the mistake and apologize for any inconvenience it caused.

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

A coach's game plan or even a playbook is sort of like an instruction manual. Sure, the people who created the instruction manual might believe it to be the most efficient way to put the product together, but a person can certainly put together the product without the manual if they have a requisite skill set and the right tools, and steps can often times be completed in different orders. And putting the product together as described in the manual, it can still wind up as not the right product for the job or a piece can wind up faulty.

[wolves_89]

I think the Wolves are nearing a point where Finch is going to have make a real change to shake up the team. In his time here Finch has been exceptionally reluctant to change rotations, but it can no longer be called early in the season and a number of pretty clear problems aren't showing significant improvement. I'd also say that Connelly needs to be working to find a fix for the disastrous Randle/Naz pairing.

I don't see a coaching change in the near future, but if Finch is unwilling or unable to make the tough calls that seem to be needed that could change.

[winforlose]

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

A coach's game plan or even a playbook is sort of like an instruction manual. Sure, the people who created the instruction manual might believe it to be the most efficient way to put the product together, but a person can certainly put together the product without the manual if they have a requisite skill set and the right tools, and steps can often times be completed in different orders. And putting the product together as described in the manual, it can still wind up as not the right product for the job or a piece can wind up faulty.

Do we really need to use semantics to dance around the conversation. We are both adults, I like and respect you, can we please just talk about what we are actually talking about? A defensive scheme is not optional. When one guy doesn’t make his rotations the entire thing collapses. You can try and man up without a scheme, and some teams probably do. Those teams are usually bottom of the league or tanking. Our scheme work took us to the top of the defensive rankings last year. This year the lack of it has us missing the play in at this rate. As for the offense, controlled chaos is its own scheme. The issue is Finch cannot get the ball moving enough and more importantly the players moving enough off ball to make it work properly. When schemes fail offenses and defenses fail and teams lose. Whereas when schemes succeed you get Denver and OKC doing way better than anyone expected. I reference those two teams because their schemes highlight their best players and bring the team to the next level using the talent of those special individuals. We cannot do that with Ant if the team won’t follow the schemes.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Ant did an interview with Chris Hine after a recent loss (drawing a blank about who we played but we were booed at home,) and he basically said he doesn’t follow the game plan or listen to Finch. He didn’t say it in a positive way, but he did admit it. He said he would change that, (something he always says,) and yet Finch often says during the presser post game that we didn’t follow the game plan. What I am coming to realize is that Finch never had the locker room. Guys play when they want to play and cruise when they don’t. Guys move the ball when they feel like it, and go hero mode when they don’t. Finch was famous for cussing out Ant in year one to earn Ant’s respect (cannot remember which interview I heard this from,) but Ant just doesn’t listen to Finch. Finch’s lack of structure and unwillingness to explore rotation changes or hold guys accountable (in the form of benching) has led to a breakdown of our identity on defense and a toxic swamp on offense. Losing games may not be the metric, but how we lose, and why we lose, and why it won’t change under Finch, will get him fired.

Edit to correct: Hine asked the initial question in the post game interview. I posted the video below. I apologize, it was mistake that may have led people to waste time searching. It is my bad and I take responsibility. Again I posted it below and mention time codes to both correct the mistake and apologize for any inconvenience it caused.

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

P.S playing as requested and following the scheme are different things. The coach might tell a guy take less mid range shots and the player ignores him. That isn’t great, but players have a degree of autonomy, and sometimes they need to trust their judgement. Not following the offensive scheme means the whole team struggles to hit their shots (out of rhythm,) creates live ball turnovers, (often with 2-3 easy points for the other team,) and failures to rotate on defense leave wide open 3 point shooters and layup lines at the rim. This isn’t Ant ignoring small things Finch asks, this is the whole game plan falling apart and losing multiple games to sub .500 teams as a result. This is the **** you MUST fix or you won’t be playing in June no matter how much talent you have.

Look, I started the thread. I don't think Finch has it in him with this current squad. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. We just unfortunately have a bunch of dudes with baggage that his style wasn't capable of overcoming.

[winforlose]

You keep on stating benching players for not playing as requested by coaches. A smart coach can get through to a player without public humiliation of benching. Benching a player shows weakness in a coach.

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

P.S playing as requested and following the scheme are different things. The coach might tell a guy take less mid range shots and the player ignores him. That isn’t great, but players have a degree of autonomy, and sometimes they need to trust their judgement. Not following the offensive scheme means the whole team struggles to hit their shots (out of rhythm,) creates live ball turnovers, (often with 2-3 easy points for the other team,) and failures to rotate on defense leave wide open 3 point shooters and layup lines at the rim. This isn’t Ant ignoring small things Finch asks, this is the whole game plan falling apart and losing multiple games to sub .500 teams as a result. This is the **** you MUST fix or you won’t be playing in June no matter how much talent you have.

Look, I started the thread. I don't think Finch has it in him with this current squad. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. We just unfortunately have a bunch of dudes with baggage that his style wasn't capable of overcoming.

Follow me here. Pretend that on January 1 Finch is fired. Micah is given the reigns as interim coach until the offseason. What can Micah do differently. If they ignored Finch, why won’t they ignore Micah? Now it’s July, the Wolves were a first round out, maybe the got swept or gentlemen swept, but they sure won’t win two playoff games playing like this. Now you hire coach X. What can coach X do differently if the players just ignore him. The answer is use the power of the office to make guys accountable. Playing time, starting, finishing games, and how you structure the game plan to feature the player are all tools in the bag of an HC. Sooner or later it comes down to someone telling Ant, you don’t bring it every game, you don’t follow the schemes and do your job, you ride the bench. Accountability is not weakness.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Whereas the best player on the team coming out and saying he isn’t following the game plan makes Finch look strong/great. Worse he said no one is following the game plan. This would be a huge shock if it wasn’t for Finch coming out most pressers post game saying they didn’t or wouldn’t follow the game plan. I am curious, what accountability tools are left in the bag at this point. Randle kills the offensive flow and the defensive scheme, do you dispute it at this point? As for Ant he gets aggressive and forgets that he one of five Wolves on the floor (my god someone needs to make Ant watch Ted Lasso.) We knew coming in that Ant takes plays or quarters, or halves, or games off. But without Karl and with the negative of Randle, there is no cushion for it. If Ant won’t lead or follow please tell me how to fix this?

P.S playing as requested and following the scheme are different things. The coach might tell a guy take less mid range shots and the player ignores him. That isn’t great, but players have a degree of autonomy, and sometimes they need to trust their judgement. Not following the offensive scheme means the whole team struggles to hit their shots (out of rhythm,) creates live ball turnovers, (often with 2-3 easy points for the other team,) and failures to rotate on defense leave wide open 3 point shooters and layup lines at the rim. This isn’t Ant ignoring small things Finch asks, this is the whole game plan falling apart and losing multiple games to sub .500 teams as a result. This is the **** you MUST fix or you won’t be playing in June no matter how much talent you have.

Look, I started the thread. I don't think Finch has it in him with this current squad. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. We just unfortunately have a bunch of dudes with baggage that his style wasn't capable of overcoming.

Follow me here. Pretend that on January 1 Finch is fired. Micah is given the reigns as interim coach until the offseason. What can Micah do differently. If they ignored Finch, why won’t they ignore Micah? Now it’s July, the Wolves were a first round out, maybe the got swept or gentlemen swept, but they sure won’t win two playoff games playing like this. Now you hire coach X. What can coach X do differently if the players just ignore him. The answer is use the power of the office to make guys accountable. Playing time, starting, finishing games, and how you structure the game plan to feature the player are all tools in the bag of an HC. Sooner or later it comes down to someone telling Ant, you don’t bring it every game, you don’t follow the schemes and do your job, you ride the bench. Accountability is not weakness.

There is authority of a nature that no certain actions be made. You have no experience managing people.

[winforlose]

Look, I started the thread. I don't think Finch has it in him with this current squad. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. We just unfortunately have a bunch of dudes with baggage that his style wasn't capable of overcoming.

Follow me here. Pretend that on January 1 Finch is fired. Micah is given the reigns as interim coach until the offseason. What can Micah do differently. If they ignored Finch, why won’t they ignore Micah? Now it’s July, the Wolves were a first round out, maybe the got swept or gentlemen swept, but they sure won’t win two playoff games playing like this. Now you hire coach X. What can coach X do differently if the players just ignore him. The answer is use the power of the office to make guys accountable. Playing time, starting, finishing games, and how you structure the game plan to feature the player are all tools in the bag of an HC. Sooner or later it comes down to someone telling Ant, you don’t bring it every game, you don’t follow the schemes and do your job, you ride the bench. Accountability is not weakness.

There is authority of a nature that no certain actions be made. You have no experience managing people.

OK, so you’re saying the right coach will be listened to when Finch is ignored. Implying that the players don’t respect Finch? Because of this is true, then why are they saying the reason we are losing is that we aren’t listening to Finch? You assume I don’t know how to manage people, let me ask you a hypothetical. You have a key employee repeatedly failing to show up on time. Do you discipline said employee? If you don’t can you discipline the other employees with any credibility? If you do doesn’t that risk alienating the key employee. Your comment is these guys don’t follow instructions, but the problem isn’t with them, it’s with the guy giving instructions, then tell me who is the guy they will listen to. We should definitely hire him.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Follow me here. Pretend that on January 1 Finch is fired. Micah is given the reigns as interim coach until the offseason. What can Micah do differently. If they ignored Finch, why won’t they ignore Micah? Now it’s July, the Wolves were a first round out, maybe the got swept or gentlemen swept, but they sure won’t win two playoff games playing like this. Now you hire coach X. What can coach X do differently if the players just ignore him. The answer is use the power of the office to make guys accountable. Playing time, starting, finishing games, and how you structure the game plan to feature the player are all tools in the bag of an HC. Sooner or later it comes down to someone telling Ant, you don’t bring it every game, you don’t follow the schemes and do your job, you ride the bench. Accountability is not weakness.

There is authority of a nature that no certain actions be made. You have no experience managing people.

OK, so you’re saying the right coach will be listened to when Finch is ignored. Implying that the players don’t respect Finch? Because of this is true, then why are they saying the reason we are losing is that we aren’t listening to Finch? You assume I don’t know how to manage people, let me ask you a hypothetical. You have a key employee repeatedly failing to show up on time. Do you discipline said employee? If you don’t can you discipline the other employees with any credibility? If you do doesn’t that risk alienating the key employee. Your comment is these guys don’t follow instructions, but the problem isn’t with them, it’s with the guy giving instructions, then tell me who is the guy they will listen to. We should definitely hire him.

Lol, I think Finch isn't the guy to lead this team for the 4th time.

[cupcakesnake]

The players themselves are accusing each other of not following Finch's game plan.

I don't think he's where the finger should be pointed.

Firing a coach sucks. You get rid of a good one (Finch has had his ups and downs but man have his ups ever been some fine moments for this franchse), and you end up cycling through bad coaches for years. Finch figuring out multiple weird iterations of this team (defense around D'Lo and Towns, then the dual big lineups) have earned him some trust and faith.

Firing a coach doesn't do what fans think it does. It's an act of frustration, often without merit.