Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Domejandro]

Prior Thread: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2421187

Kevin Durant Talk: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2443330

[Norseman79]

Off-season goals:

Remove Randle, Gobert, Conley Jr, NAW and DD.

Resign Naz

Targets: starting PG, starting and backup 5, backup 4.

PG- ????, Dillingham
SG- Edwards, Clark
SF- McDaniels, Shannon Jr
PF- Naz, ???
C- ???, ???

Between draft, trades and free agency we should be able to fill this out pretty effectively.... Assuming we do not have to attach draft picks to move players.

[Nick K]

Off-season goals:

Remove Randle, Gobert, Conley Jr, NAW and DD.

Resign Naz

Targets: starting PG, starting and backup 5, backup 4.

PG- ????, Dillingham
SG- Edwards, Clark
SF- McDaniels, Shannon Jr
PF- Naz, ???
C- ???, ???

Between draft, trades and free agency we should be able to fill this out pretty effectively.... Assuming we do not have to attach draft picks to move players.

I would keep DD for sure. I'd move the others but we had better get quality players back. If we F up this trade like we did the Kat trade we will be back to another 5 year rebuild with no guarantees.

[frankenwolf]

Off-season goals:

Remove Randle, Gobert, Conley Jr, NAW and DD.

Resign Naz

Targets: starting PG, starting and backup 5, backup 4.

PG- ????, Dillingham
SG- Edwards, Clark
SF- McDaniels, Shannon Jr
PF- Naz, ???
C- ???, ???

Between draft, trades and free agency we should be able to fill this out pretty effectively.... Assuming we do not have to attach draft picks to move players.

I agree with moving Randle and maybe NAW. Gobert still brings a top 10 defense and unless you are getting a package that will do the same, I don't move him. Mike will be here as a backup, honoring the promise TC made when he re-signed him. DD will do good things going forward and I would only trade him if it brought in a top flight PG, in the order of Fox or Haliburton. Where would Randle fit is the biggest question going forward. Will MN keep him and continue to pound a square peg in a round hole, or will we get vital pieces in a beneficial trade?

[winforlose]

Off-season goals:

Remove Randle, Gobert, Conley Jr, NAW and DD.

Resign Naz

Targets: starting PG, starting and backup 5, backup 4.

PG- ????, Dillingham
SG- Edwards, Clark
SF- McDaniels, Shannon Jr
PF- Naz, ???
C- ???, ???

Between draft, trades and free agency we should be able to fill this out pretty effectively.... Assuming we do not have to attach draft picks to move players.

I agree with moving Randle and maybe NAW. Gobert still brings a top 10 defense and unless you are getting a package that will do the same, I don't move him. Mike will be here as a backup, honoring the promise TC made when he re-signed him. DD will do good things going forward and I would only trade him if it brought in a top flight PG, in the order of Fox or Haliburton. Where would Randle fit is the biggest question going forward. Will MN keep him and continue to pound a square peg in a round hole, or will we get vital pieces in a beneficial trade?

Randle is in an interesting contract spot. He can opt in to make more in the short term, but then he is playing with no injury insurance. Randle could opt out and try to sign and trade somewhere, but I don’t know who wants to pay him pay him 30+. I think the most likely outcome is what happened with Rudy. An opt out with a new deal for less money, but for a longer term. If you could have Randle 3 years 70, would you? If Randle becomes a 3 years 70 type contract does that mean he is willing to play off the bench and be a 6th man?

[frankenwolf]

Off-season goals:

Remove Randle, Gobert, Conley Jr, NAW and DD.

Resign Naz

Targets: starting PG, starting and backup 5, backup 4.

PG- ????, Dillingham
SG- Edwards, Clark
SF- McDaniels, Shannon Jr
PF- Naz, ???
C- ???, ???

Between draft, trades and free agency we should be able to fill this out pretty effectively.... Assuming we do not have to attach draft picks to move players.

I agree with moving Randle and maybe NAW. Gobert still brings a top 10 defense and unless you are getting a package that will do the same, I don't move him. Mike will be here as a backup, honoring the promise TC made when he re-signed him. DD will do good things going forward and I would only trade him if it brought in a top flight PG, in the order of Fox or Haliburton. Where would Randle fit is the biggest question going forward. Will MN keep him and continue to pound a square peg in a round hole, or will we get vital pieces in a beneficial trade?

Randle is in an interesting contract spot. He can opt in to make more in the short term, but then he is playing with no injury insurance. Randle could opt out and try to sign and trade somewhere, but I don’t know who wants to pay him pay him 30+. I think the most likely outcome is what happened with Rudy. An opt out with a new deal for less money, but for a longer term. If you could have Randle 3 years 70, would you? If Randle becomes a 3 years 70 type contract does that mean he is willing to play off the bench and be a 6th man?

Great question. I think the answer would be no, at this point, due to his credentials at this time (in his eyes). If he signs for less and longer, would the Timberwolves keep him and try to turn him into a super 6 or find someone to take him off their hands? I don't see Naz going back to the bench when Randle does come back. At least, if I'm coaching, he doesn't.

[Sealab2024]

Exit: Randle, NAW,

Reduce role: Conley

Resign: Naz

Trade: DDV because I just don't see a starting spot for him.

Dillingham/Conley
Edwards/Clark
JMac/Shannon
Naz/JMac
Rudy/Naz/??

[jpatrick]

I do everything in my power to convince Randle to opt out. Hopefully resign NAW and Naz. I keep Gobert. I try to move the Pistons pick for a backup 4/5. If the Rockets move Jabari Smith (doubtful), he’s my guy.

I think DDV is your starting PG. NAW/Dilly backup guards. TSJ, McDaniels, Naz, Gobert, and some like Jabari Smith making up your front court.

[Domejandro]

I will say, if the reports are true about Tim Connelly not trading Anthony Edwards for Luka Dončić, I find that to be a completely fireable offense.

[Norseman79]

So reading a few comments I think there's a couple things that I think our great points I just see differently.

Let's start with Rudy and the money he's making. Does he provide defense absolutely, the question is does he provide that much money's worth of defense? I don't think so. If you were to land a Daniel Gafford, Mitchell Robinson, type of center, would they potentially not do the same at a far cheaper rate?

To the point about Mike Conley Jr, there is keeping somebody because they're serviceable and worth their contract, then there is keeping somebody because of different connections. I would have no issues keeping Mike if he restructured his contract. The problem is, I don't see Dillingham as a starting point guard yet so you're looking at Mike being third on the depth chart?

DD, If you want to keep him I completely understand why. But where do you play him? And at who's expense? His contract is great, but how many shooting guards do you keep at the risk of depleting depth at other positions?

Keep Randle away from this team.

For those talking about the wolves record without some of these guys playing, is it those players or is it capable NBA players missing off of roster with little front court depth?

[Danimals]

DDV, Mike, Rob
Ant, NAW, Clark
Jaden, Ant, TSJ
Naz, Jaden
Rudy, Naz

Resign Naz and NAW
Draft a center
MLE on a 4/3 who can defend bigger players than Jaden
Vet min on a center who can defend or shoot
Garza, Minott, and Miller can fill out the bench

[Loaf_of_bread]

I do everything in my power to convince Randle to opt out. Hopefully resign NAW and Naz. I keep Gobert. I try to move the Pistons pick for a backup 4/5. If the Rockets move Jabari Smith (doubtful), he’s my guy.

I think DDV is your starting PG. NAW/Dilly backup guards. TSJ, McDaniels, Naz, Gobert, and some like Jabari Smith making up your front court.

This draft class is pretty good, and connelly has shown he can find talent. Would rather draft a big than trade the pick for a big.

[shrink]

I will say, if the reports are true about Tim Connelly not trading Anthony Edwards for Luka Dončić, I find that to be a completely fireable offense.

It’s five years under contract for a guy that wants to be in MIN, versus 1.5 years for a guy you weren’t allowed to ask.

[Domejandro]

I will say, if the reports are true about Tim Connelly not trading Anthony Edwards for Luka Dončić, I find that to be a completely fireable offense.

It’s five years under contract for a guy that wants to be in MIN, versus 1.5 years for a guy you weren’t allowed to ask.

We are talking about a consensus top five player when healthy versus a (probably) top thirty player. The hope is that Anthony Edwards continues to develop, but the impact gap is absolutely enormous. You move mountains to make that swap.

[jpatrick]

I will say, if the reports are true about Tim Connelly not trading Anthony Edwards for Luka Dončić, I find that to be a completely fireable offense.

It’s five years under contract for a guy that wants to be in MIN, versus 1.5 years for a guy you weren’t allowed to ask.

We are talking about a consensus top five player when healthy versus a (probably) top thirty player. The hope is that Anthony Edwards continues to develop, but the impact gap is absolutely enormous. You move mountains to make that swap.

I make the trade if Doncic is locked in for Minnesota. But without that guarantee. No way can you take the risk.

[shrink]

It’s five years under contract for a guy that wants to be in MIN, versus 1.5 years for a guy you weren’t allowed to ask.

We are talking about a consensus top five player when healthy versus a (probably) top thirty player. The hope is that Anthony Edwards continues to develop, but the impact gap is absolutely enormous. You move mountains to make that swap.

I make the trade if Doncic is locked in for Minnesota. But without that guarantee. No way can you take the risk.

Yes, it’s a potential franchise destroyer if Luka would decide to walk. And the impact on trading away Ant could have repercussions on other players who want to be here, like Naz.

I agree that Luka is one of the four best players in the NBA, and he sets so high a bar that Anthony Edwards might never reach it, despite his unbelievable potential. But without a commitment from Luka that he wants to be here longterm, Connelly can’t risk the franchise on Luka’s whims.

[cmoss84]

Here's my non-Durant reality take:

We choose between:
Naz and Randle (if we can find a trade parter as well)
NAW and DD
Do we package Randle and DD in a trade or trade Rudy

[cmoss84]

I will say, if the reports are true about Tim Connelly not trading Anthony Edwards for Luka Dončić, I find that to be a completely fireable offense.

It’s five years under contract for a guy that wants to be in MIN, versus 1.5 years for a guy you weren’t allowed to ask.

We are talking about a consensus top five player when healthy versus a (probably) top thirty player. The hope is that Anthony Edwards continues to develop, but the impact gap is absolutely enormous. You move mountains to make that swap.

Not sure if I can find 15 players better than Ant

[Guest84]

You can't go into the season with Mike and Rob as your only pg next yet. You also can't go into next year expecting DDV to be their replacement full-time. If anything, DDV is Ant's backup should you lose NAW regardless if he wants a starting role.

Randle can't be on this team going forward. He's just not the number 1B/2 that you want next to Ant. I'm a Naz fan but I'm also not completely sold on him being the starting 4 yet.

Here's my list on who should be considered moveable going forward (Not necessarily all of them together):
NAW, Randle, Rudy, Minot, Naz, Rob, and maybe DDV (his shooting is needed)

I think DDV, Clark and TSJ can fill in those sg/sf duties just fine if you move NAW. Mike should prob be transitioned to the 3rd pg honestly, if you can find one.

[shangrila]

According to Marc Stein, the Mavericks never actually offered Luka for Ant. They asked about Ant without discussing who they'd offer.

The Mavericks’ talks with Milwaukee and Minnesota, as described to me, were very brief in nature and intentionally broad and vague … meaning they did not specifically identify Dončić.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3506504/