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I’m curious what the Wolves fans think - whether there is a collective opinion on this from our group.
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Im not voting. Not a fan of the options. Has to be fired if we don’t win a series. If we look bad in the semis.. also has to go.
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I want him gone, but the variable is Naz and NAW. I don’t think we can win anything with Finch, but I also don’t think next year is the year to win anything. My answer is Finch needs to be fired, but probably mid season of next year or during the off season before 25/26, unless we can sign everyone with a new HC.
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winforlose wrote:I want him gone, but the variable is Naz and NAW. I don’t think we can win anything with Finch, but I also don’t think next year is the year to win anything. My answer is Finch needs to be fired, but probably mid season of next year or during the off season before 25/26, unless we can sign everyone with a new HC.
Do you mean 26/27? Next year is 25/26
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Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:I want him gone, but the variable is Naz and NAW. I don’t think we can win anything with Finch, but I also don’t think next year is the year to win anything. My answer is Finch needs to be fired, but probably mid season of next year or during the off season before 25/26, unless we can sign everyone with a new HC.
Do you mean 26/27? Next year is 25/26
I would sign the guys using Finch. Then when he fails with another slow start, fire him mid season. I just saw it, yes 26/27 offseason at the latest.
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winforlose wrote:Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:I want him gone, but the variable is Naz and NAW. I don’t think we can win anything with Finch, but I also don’t think next year is the year to win anything. My answer is Finch needs to be fired, but probably mid season of next year or during the off season before 25/26, unless we can sign everyone with a new HC.
Do you mean 26/27? Next year is 25/26
I would sign the guys using Finch. Then when he fails with another slow start, fire him mid season. I just saw it, yes 26/27 offseason at the latest.
"Sign the guys using finch" not quite following.. is there some sort of loyalty to this guy that they would take a lesser contract for us than available on the open market?
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Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:Loaf_of_bread wrote:Do you mean 26/27? Next year is 25/26
I would sign the guys using Finch. Then when he fails with another slow start, fire him mid season. I just saw it, yes 26/27 offseason at the latest.
"Sign the guys using finch" not quite following.. is there some sort of loyalty to this guy that they would take a lesser contract for us than available on the open market?
Finch saw something in NAW when no one else did. He might be the right coach to keep NAW. Also Naz and Finch might be close. If I could sign both without Finch I would vote hell yes. I would keep Finch with the understanding that a bad start to the season will end his employment, that a bad result in the playoffs will end his employment, and that he will exist on a constant state of hot seat for his failures the year prior. He has proven he is not an elite NBA coach, and you don’t win a lot of chips without an elite coach.
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I'm in the "maybe" camp. While Finch drives me nuts with his rotations and in-game management...he was dealt a tough hand this year with the late trade.
I say maybe because even with all his faults, he has helped bring consistency and a winning culture to this organization. Sometimes teams can have too much turnover. I'd say give him at least another year. Of course, a lot of this is dependent on the moves made going into next year.
I say maybe because even with all his faults, he has helped bring consistency and a winning culture to this organization. Sometimes teams can have too much turnover. I'd say give him at least another year. Of course, a lot of this is dependent on the moves made going into next year.
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winforlose wrote:Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:
I would sign the guys using Finch. Then when he fails with another slow start, fire him mid season. I just saw it, yes 26/27 offseason at the latest.
"Sign the guys using finch" not quite following.. is there some sort of loyalty to this guy that they would take a lesser contract for us than available on the open market?
Finch saw something in NAW when no one else did. He might be the right coach to keep NAW. Also Naz and Finch might be close. If I could sign both without Finch I would vote hell yes. I would keep Finch with the understanding that a bad start to the season will end his employment, that a bad result in the playoffs will end his employment, and that he will exist on a constant state of hot seat for his failures the year prior. He has proven he is not an elite NBA coach, and you don’t win a lot of chips without an elite coach.
I generally like your takes, but NAW and Naz are not going to NOT maximize their worth because of chris finch. That one is out there.
Finch is horrible, only way he stays is we make something happen in the playoffs..
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Transition coach. End of.
What most fans fail to realize is that Finch has been given one of the most talented rosters in the franchise's history.
What most fans fail to realize is that Finch has been given one of the most talented rosters in the franchise's history.
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Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:Loaf_of_bread wrote:"Sign the guys using finch" not quite following.. is there some sort of loyalty to this guy that they would take a lesser contract for us than available on the open market?
Finch saw something in NAW when no one else did. He might be the right coach to keep NAW. Also Naz and Finch might be close. If I could sign both without Finch I would vote hell yes. I would keep Finch with the understanding that a bad start to the season will end his employment, that a bad result in the playoffs will end his employment, and that he will exist on a constant state of hot seat for his failures the year prior. He has proven he is not an elite NBA coach, and you don’t win a lot of chips without an elite coach.
I generally like your takes, but NAW and Naz are not going to NOT maximize their worth because of chris finch. That one is out there.
Finch is horrible, only way he stays is we make something happen in the playoffs..
NAW and Naz are in different situations with very different potential outcomes. Before NAW came to MN he was on the verge of being out of the league. He had a resurgence with us, but his shooting is too inconsistent for SG, and his handle isn’t good enough for PG. This puts NAW as a defensive SF with the overall role of 3 and D. Any team that pays him might make him the 6th man, or they might even try to start him. That said, NAW cannot afford to fail in his new situation. The risk is higher for NAW, and playing without a Rudy and Jaden could cause a quality slide. Not to mention the positives of having Ant, KAT, Julius, ect…, feeding him for open 3s and clean drives. NAW will have to be very careful about what team he goes to and what expectations are set for him.
Naz is the reigning 6th man of the year, and seems to be able to handle starting at multiple positions. His game does have limits and flaws, but his leash will be much longer and his worst case is significantly better than NAWs. The variable for Naz is the level of love and acceptance he has found in MN. Our fanbase has made him a cult hero. He may not find anything close to that on another team. The issue with Naz is he might resent Finch for not giving him more opportunities, or he might love Finch for his coaching style. Without knowing more it is hard to say how firing Finch will affect Naz.
If I knew we could fire Finch and keep both, I would do it tomorrow.
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No. Tim Connelly and his entire "braintrust" need to go immediately.
Fans need to reorient their expectations around the fact that the ceiling for this team got a helluva lot lower when TC dumped KAT for a bad player on a bad contract.
You don't go from a 50/40/90 unicorn to a 45/30/80 ballhog as your 2nd option and stay at the same level.
The talent margin to stay a 56 win team with so many competitive teams chasing you and replenishing every summer is very small.
We also didn't expect Mike Conley to fall off this much this year.
PG and backup center have been huge rotation holes this year which management failed to address (or failed trying to address) this offseason.
Finch is doing about as well as can be expected with the hand he's been dealt, maybe a little better if injuries are taken into consideration.
Even when we've lost we have very very rarely been blown out, and I haven't seen the team ever give up which is the red flag you usually see when a coach needs to be shown the door.
There have been rotation and scheme things that have bugged me, but you get that with every coach.
I don't like how much Anthony Edwards has regressed mentally this season and his continued disregard for team basketball, but that's not all on Finch, and it looks like Finch has finally got in his face about it.
Jaden, NAW, and Naz have really developed under Finch and we may not be in a position to keep NAW and Naz this summer because TC bet so much on Gobert and Randle.
Fans need to reorient their expectations around the fact that the ceiling for this team got a helluva lot lower when TC dumped KAT for a bad player on a bad contract.
You don't go from a 50/40/90 unicorn to a 45/30/80 ballhog as your 2nd option and stay at the same level.
The talent margin to stay a 56 win team with so many competitive teams chasing you and replenishing every summer is very small.
We also didn't expect Mike Conley to fall off this much this year.
PG and backup center have been huge rotation holes this year which management failed to address (or failed trying to address) this offseason.
Finch is doing about as well as can be expected with the hand he's been dealt, maybe a little better if injuries are taken into consideration.
Even when we've lost we have very very rarely been blown out, and I haven't seen the team ever give up which is the red flag you usually see when a coach needs to be shown the door.
There have been rotation and scheme things that have bugged me, but you get that with every coach.
I don't like how much Anthony Edwards has regressed mentally this season and his continued disregard for team basketball, but that's not all on Finch, and it looks like Finch has finally got in his face about it.
Jaden, NAW, and Naz have really developed under Finch and we may not be in a position to keep NAW and Naz this summer because TC bet so much on Gobert and Randle.
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winforlose wrote:Loaf_of_bread wrote:winforlose wrote:
Finch saw something in NAW when no one else did. He might be the right coach to keep NAW. Also Naz and Finch might be close. If I could sign both without Finch I would vote hell yes. I would keep Finch with the understanding that a bad start to the season will end his employment, that a bad result in the playoffs will end his employment, and that he will exist on a constant state of hot seat for his failures the year prior. He has proven he is not an elite NBA coach, and you don’t win a lot of chips without an elite coach.
I generally like your takes, but NAW and Naz are not going to NOT maximize their worth because of chris finch. That one is out there.
Finch is horrible, only way he stays is we make something happen in the playoffs..
NAW and Naz are in different situations with very different potential outcomes. Before NAW came to MN he was on the verge of being out of the league. He had a resurgence with us, but his shooting is too inconsistent for SG, and his handle isn’t good enough for PG. This puts NAW as a defensive SF with the overall role of 3 and D. Any team that pays him might make him the 6th man, or they might even try to start him. That said, NAW cannot afford to fail in his new situation. The risk is higher for NAW, and playing without a Rudy and Jaden could cause a quality slide. Not to mention the positives of having Ant, KAT, Julius, ect…, feeding him for open 3s and clean drives. NAW will have to be very careful about what team he goes to and what expectations are set for him.
Naz is the reigning 6th man of the year, and seems to be able to handle starting at multiple positions. His game does have limits and flaws, but his leash will be much longer and his worst case is significantly better than NAWs. The variable for Naz is the level of love and acceptance he has found in MN. Our fanbase has made him a cult hero. He may not find anything close to that on another team. The issue with Naz is he might resent Finch for not giving him more opportunities, or he might love Finch for his coaching style. Without knowing more it is hard to say how firing Finch will affect Naz.
If I knew we could fire Finch and keep both, I would do it tomorrow.
Naz is a bit tricky imo. We will all find out what Finch does very soon in regards to starting naz or Julius. .. this decision MAY play a part in quite a bit more than it looks..
Finch being our coach next year, Naz NOT on the roster, and an underwhelming postseason effort would be a tough pill to swallow.
NAW, has played himself out of a contract we can affort.. as well as we have too much depth at his position.
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Baseline81 wrote:Transition coach. End of.
What most fans fail to realize is that Finch has been given one of the most talented rosters in the franchise's history.
Maybe so. But that doesn't necessarily mean now is the right time to fire him...
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Moan all you want, he's not getting fired.
He's loved by the FO, owners and players, and IIRC widely regarded around the league. He's also led arguably the most successful period of this team's history.
He's loved by the FO, owners and players, and IIRC widely regarded around the league. He's also led arguably the most successful period of this team's history.
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shangrila wrote:Moan all you want, he's not getting fired.
He's loved by the FO, owners and players, and IIRC widely regarded around the league. He's also led arguably the most successful period of this team's history.
Do you have references? Kind of seems like you are making a statement that sits right with your feelings, yet is unjustified.
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Baseline81 wrote:Transition coach. End of.
What most fans fail to realize is that Finch has been given one of the most talented rosters in the franchise's history.
1 great year out of 4.5, and the rest middling and fighting to avoid the play in is not it!! Ant and this group deserve better. Hopefully we get lucky with next hire like Cleveland.
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Rudy back, and Randle starting over Naz. Pretty ballsy imo. Goodbye finch.
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Funny how people want Finch to be fired when Mimny never have a good team like we have. Yes he is annoying sometimes with the rotation but overall do a decent job which what he got. I’m more angry with TC decision than with Finch. So I vote no, will keep him 2 more year’s then give position to Mike.
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