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Not sure if putting this in one thread helps or not. Wanting to discuss our FA to be and:
1) If they raised their value after regular season
2) What they are doing to their value in playoffs
3) predictions in offseason

Julius Randle: I'd say ^ and ^
prediction: we either sign and trade him or he declines option and signs elsewhere. Pipedream is Randle + Rudy + RD for KD in a 3 team trade.

NAW: regular season up, postseason down
prediction: 3 year deal with MN

NAZ: Up-down
prediction: this one hurts, but someone else pays him what we cannot. If we trade Rudy, we keep Naz.

Ingles: gone

Garza/Minott: options picked up

cmoss84 wrote:Not sure if putting this in one thread helps or not. Wanting to discuss our FA to be and:
1) If they raised their value after regular season
2) What they are doing to their value in playoffs
3) predictions in offseason

Julius Randle: I'd say ^ and ^
prediction: we either sign and trade him or he declines option and signs elsewhere. Pipedream is Randle + Rudy + RD for KD in a 3 team trade.

NAW: regular season up, postseason down
prediction: 3 year deal with MN

NAZ: Up-down
prediction: this one hurts, but someone else pays him what we cannot. If we trade Rudy, we keep Naz.

Ingles: gone

Garza/Minott: options picked up

Naz is at where he should be, maybe 2 MIL more tops. Tell me he is worth 20M after last night's performance. It is not like that is the only bad night. He has 30 to 40 percent bad nights.

Randle has probably raised his value enough to be a borderline bad contract on his next deal.

I think NAW's continued inability to shoot in the playoffs has tanked his value.

I love Naz, but is he worth more than an Obi Toppin or Bobby Portis?

TimberKat wrote:

cmoss84 wrote:Not sure if putting this in one thread helps or not. Wanting to discuss our FA to be and:
1) If they raised their value after regular season
2) What they are doing to their value in playoffs
3) predictions in offseason

Julius Randle: I'd say ^ and ^
prediction: we either sign and trade him or he declines option and signs elsewhere. Pipedream is Randle + Rudy + RD for KD in a 3 team trade.

NAW: regular season up, postseason down
prediction: 3 year deal with MN

NAZ: Up-down
prediction: this one hurts, but someone else pays him what we cannot. If we trade Rudy, we keep Naz.

Ingles: gone

Garza/Minott: options picked up

Naz is at where he should be, maybe 2 MIL more tops. Tell me he is worth 20M after last night's performance. It is not like that is the only bad night. He has 30 to 40 percent bad nights.

Part of that I think has to do with roster breakdown though. On this team, he has to be more of an "instant offense" guy off the bench because we are so deep, or it's going to probably be a bad night. For many other teams, there will be a greater runway for him to snap out of a funk because he would likely have a larger role to go along with that higher salary.

I would expect Naz to get in the 20-25m/year range with NAW getting, at least the full MLE, which would be 4 years at 60m. Both are worth those contracts, but we can’t pay both with our salary structure. My guess is Naz gets the money and not NAW.

Randle is worth 30m. Would I give him 3yrs at 30 per? yes. He probably could easily get 3 years for 100m on the open market. I just don’t know if that’s a good deal for us. I don’t see him as a #2 on a championship team.

There is only going to be like one team with any serious cap room (Brooklyn).
Horrible year for anyone looking for a deal above the MLE.

Randle isn't getting 30 per in the market this summer and will opt in and try again in a better market next year.

Naz's floor is the MLE and his ceiling is probably 20-25 per and he will have a lot of suitors most of which will be trying to swing a sign and trade.

NAW's ceiling is the MLE and some team could very well give that to him but it's not going to be us.

Minott is as good as gone.
Garza is likely gone too but it depends on what we do in the draft and if we add another rotation worthy center.

We are keeping Naz and Randle.


But I sadly 100% expect NAW to be gone. There goes our deep bench asset.


Wish we could sacrifice Conley on his last legs instead. But it wouldn't probably help.

Would be nice to see Julius play well the rest of the year and entice someone to offer something he couldn’t refuse... said team would have to make a move for cap space, but it could be done.

*Biggest Julius fan of all time right now*

For me mostly depend on 2 things. What we do in the PO?
How aggressive we want to be in off season? if we want to go for a KD level player, mostly Randle and Rudy are gone. In this case, we have to keep NAZ.
I'm not sure about NAW. He is a good player but considering how salary issues, it seems hard to keep both him and NAZ .

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:For me mostly depend on 2 things. What we do in the PO?
How aggressive we want to be in off season? if we want to go for a KD level player, mostly Randle and Rudy are gone. In this case, we have to keep NAZ.
I'm not sure about NAW. He is a good player but considering how salary issues, it seems hard to keep both him and NAZ .

Agree. Naw unfortunately will be hard to retain.. he as well as i mentioned Julius, could help himself make quite a bit more money with a good showing the rest of the playoffs..

younggunsmn wrote:There is only going to be like one team with any serious cap room (Brooklyn).
Horrible year for anyone looking for a deal above the MLE.

Sign and trades still exist.

Everyone forgets the third part of a free agency "bidding war." It's not just about Team A vs Team B. At the end of the day, the PLAYER still has to accept the contract too. Most of them at that level aren't stupid enough to just say "woe is me I guess I have to just accept a 66% pay cut because only one team has cap space." Forget about it! They will find the money!

Naz makes our bigs work. He stays. Randle likely opts in and because of TSJ, Dillingham, and Clarke, NAW becomes expendable. I think they try to have Randle opt out and take a longer deal for less but more years. Minott is a casualty and Garza probably stays since we value him more than what market is.

karch34 wrote:Naz makes our bigs work. He stays. Randle likely opts in and because of TSJ, Dillingham, and Clarke, NAW becomes expendable. I think they try to have Randle opt out and take a longer deal for less but more years. Minott is a casualty and Garza probably stays since we value him more than what market is.

Is Naz or Randle more valuable at 3/75?

I'm gonna have some big separation anxiety if any of our top 8 leave this summer. I still miss KAT!

LSWF wrote:I'm gonna have some big separation anxiety if any of our top 8 leave this summer. I still miss KAT!

I certainly miss him on the personal side, but from an organizational side, I still understand and am good with the decision the team made.

Klomp wrote:

LSWF wrote:I'm gonna have some big separation anxiety if any of our top 8 leave this summer. I still miss KAT!

I certainly miss him on the personal side, but from an organizational side, I still understand and am good with the decision the team made.

Yep, I understand the business side. We needed the future flexibility. Being a dye hard homer fanatic, I tend to get too attached to our players.

Naz was #5 in the Sixth Man of the Year voting, and NAW was #6. Those guys pull starter money on other teams. They can both raise or lower their next contract by their playoff performances. I had hopes NAW would slip through the cracks, but now I think a sign-and-trade could be likely, if they stay under the second apron.

If MIN simply loses either guy, I count that as a whiff for the GM. Bird rights have value, but only if they are used - either to keep the player or in a sign-and-trade. Letting a player walk for nothing is common, but I still think it’s a mistake.

shrink wrote:Naz was #5 in the Sixth Man of the Year voting, and NAW was #6. Those guys pull starter money on other teams. They can both raise or lower their next contract by their playoff performances. I had hopes NAW would slip through the cracks, but now I think a sign-and-trade could be likely, if they stay under the second apron.

If MIN simply loses either guy, I count that as a whiff for the GM. Bird rights have value, but only if they are used - either to keep the player or in a sign-and-trade. Letting a player walk for nothing is common, but I still think it’s a mistake.

I don’t see a sign and trade happening for NAW. First, I’m not sure he’s going to get more than the 4yr/60m MLE, which any team can sign him to without giving up value. And even if a S/T was available, I’m not sure the Wolves would do it. The point of letting him walk is that we don’t want to add that salary, a S/T would require us to take back equal salary. If we were going to take on salary, I’d just keep NAW.

jpatrick wrote:

shrink wrote:Naz was #5 in the Sixth Man of the Year voting, and NAW was #6. Those guys pull starter money on other teams. They can both raise or lower their next contract by their playoff performances. I had hopes NAW would slip through the cracks, but now I think a sign-and-trade could be likely, if they stay under the second apron.

If MIN simply loses either guy, I count that as a whiff for the GM. Bird rights have value, but only if they are used - either to keep the player or in a sign-and-trade. Letting a player walk for nothing is common, but I still think it’s a mistake.

I don’t see a sign and trade happening for NAW. First, I’m not sure he’s going to get more than the 4yr/60m MLE, which any team can sign him to without giving up value. And even if a S/T was available, I’m not sure the Wolves would do it. The point of letting him walk is that we don’t want to add that salary, a S/T would require us to take back equal salary. If we were going to take on salary, I’d just keep NAW.

No it doesn't.

See: Anderson, Kyle.

shrink wrote:Naz was #5 in the Sixth Man of the Year voting, and NAW was #6. Those guys pull starter money on other teams. They can both raise or lower their next contract by their playoff performances. I had hopes NAW would slip through the cracks, but now I think a sign-and-trade could be likely, if they stay under the second apron.

If MIN simply loses either guy, I count that as a whiff for the GM. Bird rights have value, but only if they are used - either to keep the player or in a sign-and-trade. Letting a player walk for nothing is common, but I still think it’s a mistake.

Question is what is starter money?
Cam Johnson, Green, Brooks, Barett, Gordon around 24M; Powell - 20M; OG - 19M;

Key bench: Monk - 17; Gafford, Toppin - 14M; Hield, KA - 9M; Naz - 15;

Is NAW really going to start over those guys? Or some of the younger guys with cheaper contract?