How is the opinion on Rashad McCants now?...

dunkonu21 · Post #1 » by **dunkonu21** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:12 am

Does everyone still believe he is the reason we're losing, or have you guys backed off your criticisms a little now that he's strung a couple good games together and played some smart basketball.

Last two game of McCants':
.............................................STL..BLK..TO..FL..OFF..DEF..TLRBS

AST...PNTS

~01/04/08...32 12-18 3-5 7-7 0 0 1 5 2 3 5
4 34

~01/06/08...22 6-10 2-3 7-10 0 0 4 4 0 4 4

1 21

Looks like Shaddy is putting up some good Rebounding Numbers, Few Turnovers, and Great Point Numbers....With some Foul Troubles, and Very Few Assists or Blocks...No one would argue he is a complete player, but it seems like he has corrected the things that Wittman wanted him to (aka turnovers...) and now he is getting tons of burn...Sounds like Wittman has a fair system going....

Two games is a small time frame, but there is no denying the pattern of events...

theGreatRC · Post #2 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:24 am

Shaddy is my 2nd favorite wolf behind Craig Smith, and I hope he doesn't want out of here and we build something special. He and Foye can become a very scary offensive back court.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #3 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:33 am

McCants and Foye are my favorite Wolves, but McCants still has to show consistency. Don't get me wrong, I love what he has done, but he's done this before, he needs to keep doing it consistently.

wolves_fan_82au · Post #4 » by **wolves_fan_82au** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:48 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:McCants and Foye are my favorite Wolves, but McCants still has to show consistency. Don't get me wrong, I love what he has done, but he's done this before, he needs to keep doing it consistently.

na you fail too see what hes doing hes 14-17 from the line after 2 games

17 three throw shots in 2 games ,its probley more than hes got all year

i agree he needs too keep it up but at least hes starting b listening too wittman

4ho5ive · Post #5 » by **4ho5ive** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:51 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:McCants and Foye are my favorite Wolves, but McCants still has to show consistency. Don't get me wrong, I love what he has done, but he's done this before, he needs to keep doing it consistently.

Same here. Foye barely edges out McCants. Big Al is making a case as well however. But yes inconsistency is a known problem but you have to start somewhere. I think this next stretch of games in the west will go a long way in showing what he can do, at least I hope so cuz we are damn sure gonna need him.

Miami, @Houston+@SAS (back to back), Golden State, @PHX+@Denver (back to back)

big3_8_19_21 · Post #6 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:06 am

wolves_fan_82au wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

na you fail too see what hes doing hes 14-17 from the line after 2 games

17 three throw shots in 2 games ,its probley more than hes got all year

i agree he needs too keep it up but at least hes starting b listening too wittman

I'm seeing quite clearly that he has gotten to the line efficiently and that he is playing at a high level (minus the early foul trouble against the Mavs), I'm just saying he needs to keep doing it consistently.

MN Die Hard · Post #7 » by **MN Die Hard** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:39 pm

As others have said, consistency is the key. In the three previous games (prior to these last two impressive performances) he got to the line 0 times and scored a total of 15 points. You cant judge him on two games.

On the same token though, I dont think its fair to blame him for the team's ridiculously bad performance. A four-win team at this point in the season has plenty of blame to go around. Calling McCants out is silly.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #8 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:03 pm

McCants/Foye, we need those 2 to take the pressure off eachother. When its just McCants with Telfair, then we get punished because Bassy doesn't create positive havoc.

Xand1 · Post #9 » by **Xand1** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:52 pm

That's two games in a row where, beyond what his numbers show, he's actually taken his time and played very smart ball. He's slowed down a bit and has been doing a good job of picking apart the defense, looking like the dynamic guard we knew he could be rather than just a spot up 3 point specialist. Let's hope it continues.

I can't wait to see him play next to Foye. I think those two could complement each other very well once they get a chance to learn each other's games.

funkatron101 · Post #10 » by **funkatron101** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:08 pm

It's really hard to say right now. Both of those games haven't been very competitive. If he continues to shine in games that we have no chance of winning, does it really tell us anything?

If he becomes consistent, like every one else says, and helps us actually win some games that we have a chance of winning, then I think everyone will jump on the McCants bandwagon.

Two issues he still has are fouls and turnovers. But that is with the whole team.

casey · Post #11 » by **casey** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:09 pm

Until he learns how to not foul and turn the ball over constantly he'll never be anything more than an average player. And i haven't seen anything to make me believe that will happen.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #12 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:26 pm

casey wrote:Until he learns how to not foul and turn the ball over constantly he'll never be anything more than an average player. And i haven't seen anything to make me believe that will happen.

that should be learnable....in theory.

deeney0 · Post #13 » by **deeney0** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:25 pm

Still 4 turnovers and 4 fouls yesterday. I'm routing for him, and I'm not saying he should be given up on, but he hasn't shown anything yet.

But Shad isn't the reason the Wolves have been losing. Each game, one player seems to step up and help Al on offense, and that's not enough. We need consistent efforts from everyone. Jaric has sucked recently. Bassy is up and down. Gomes has been great in the games where he doesn't absolutely disappear. Craig showed us flashes in late November and early December, but now he looks like a backup again. Everyone is to blame, except perhaps Al.

Post #14 » by **Basti** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:21 pm

casey wrote:Until he learns how to not foul and turn the ball over constantly he'll never be anything more than an average player. And i haven't seen anything to make me believe that will happen.

how uberoptimistic :lol:

anyway, I think shad is starting to play how wittman wants him to play. he has shown nice flashes through the last 2 games but it'll be nice to see how we performs over the next ones. last time we played miami he did fine defensively. dunno how he did offensively but he did a nice job slowing wade down.

theGreatRC · Post #15 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:32 pm

casey wrote:Until he learns how to not foul and turn the ball over constantly he'll never be anything more than an average player. And i haven't seen anything to make me believe that will happen.

If Eddy Curry and Chandler can do it, anyone can.

Dewey · Post #16 » by **Dewey** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:33 pm

McCants is a pro ... at this stage it's troubling to think he needs to learn how to play consistently - turnovers, poor shot selection, and inconsistent defense. His decisions often hurt the team and lower his trade value. next thing you know, he'll want a big contract.

Sooner or later, we'll need to roll the dice on a player or two and hope we get a quality 2008 pick. We've got Foye coming back soon - along with some bargaining power in our youth, expiring contacts & draft picks that we should be able to get a two quality veterans to help improve the team substantially.

Preferences: We need to shore up Center (mostly defensive) & PG. If Foye pans out at PG, then we need to look at upgrading SG and SF by pedaling McCants in a package as needed. Draft BPA.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #17 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:02 pm

why do you want to trade him, like Casey said, at this point he's an average player - therefore one of the 3 best players on the team.

Post #18 » by **Basti** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:06 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:why do you want to trade him, like Casey said, at this point he's an average player - therefore one of the 3 best players on the team.

karch34 · Post #19 » by **karch34** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:19 pm

I think he has shown some improvement. I think the biggest problem is that even though we're rebuilding I don't think the players have always gotten a chance to play through their mistakes.

It's a good sign and if he can show more consistency (ie 20+ one night and 4 the next) then maybe he's on the right track.

I do agree that making him the reason for the poor record is ridiculous.

4ho5ive · Post #20 » by **4ho5ive** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:13 pm

funkatron101 wrote:It's really hard to say right now. Both of those games haven't been very competitive. If he continues to shine in games that we have no chance of winning, does it really tell us anything?

If he becomes consistent, like every one else says, and helps us actually win some games that we have a chance of winning, then I think everyone will jump on the McCants bandwagon.

Two issues he still has are fouls and turnovers. But that is with the whole team.

Im pretty sure the game against Denver was competitive. I dont see any reason to dump him yet. The TO numbers are likely to fall and if we let him learn from his mistakes instead of yanking him early, he will learn not to foul stupidly. Alot of it is McCants, but a lot of it is also coaching. We usually end up playing 1-on-1 with 5 people, we should be playing 5 on 5.