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Deeney reminds me that I've posted a lot about not being able to trade Ratliff, and I agree that letting ratliff expire and resiging some of Gomes, Telfair and/or Craig Smith is Plan A. However, with the Gasol deal demonstrating again the great value the real NBA puts on expirings, I thought I'd explore the option of trying to cash in on that trade value.

My argument for letting Ratliff expire was for re-signing some pups, but what if we included a pup or two? We'd get more trade value back, plus using the expiring wouldn't hurt as much, since we would need less money to sign that guy. I posted an example in the Gasol thread, but here's another one:

NO GIVES: Julian Wright, Hilton Armstrong, Ely, Bobby Jackson, Ryan Bowen, Bernard Robinson, 2008 lotto-protected 1st
NO GETS: Mike Miller, Cardinal, Craig Smith

Massive production increase and a legitimate starting SG. They get rid of pieces and move Bobby Jackson's bad deal, trading prospects for current talent.

MEM GIVES: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal
MEM GETS: Theo Ratliff, Ryan Bowen, Bernard Robinson, Ely

MEM loves cash savings. This uses a not cheaply-priced Miller as their last chance to move the unmovable .. Brian Cardinal, and saves $33 million in 2008 and 2009. MEM takes back all expirings.

MIN GIVES: Theo Ratliff, Craig Smith
MIN GETS: Julian Wright, Hilton Armstrong, Bobby Jackson, 2008 lotto-protected 1st

MIN eats Bobby Jackson's deal and faces $10 mil in salary for next season, but gets long-range pieces. This might jeopardize resigning one of Telfair or Gomes though, so I'm not sure I'd do it. However, using MIN as an intermediary seems like a decent idea.

This isn't a bad idea. Wright and Armstrong could fit long term, plus we'd pick up another pick and B-Jax contract would expire next year with Buckner and Walker. So we'd take an extra year of being over the cap for 3 young pieces. Who'd the lotto protected pick come from, assume New Orleans?

If it wouldn't prevent Telfair and Gomes from being re-signed then I could be on board. My only hesitation is that if we're moving an expiring like Ratliff, I'd like to get more of a 2nd star type. Taking this farther than the initial idea if we did this and Deng/Iguadola want out and the pick comes next year then we could do a S&T of with pieces of Walker, BJax, Buckner, Wright, Boston 2009 pick and New Orleans 2009 pick.

shrink wrote:Deeney reminds me that I've posted a lot about not being able to trade Ratliff, and I agree that letting ratliff expire and resiging some of Gomes, Telfair and/or Craig Smith is Plan A. However, with the Gasol deal demonstrating again the great value the real NBA puts on expirings, I thought I'd explore the option of trying to cash in on that trade value.

My argument for letting Ratliff expire was for re-signing some pups, but what if we included a pup or two? We'd get more trade value back, plus using the expiring wouldn't hurt as much, since we would need less money to sign that guy. I posted an example in the Gasol thread, but here's another one:

NO GIVES: Julian Wright, Hilton Armstrong, Ely, Bobby Jackson, Ryan Bowen, Bernard Robinson
NO GETS: Mike Miller, Cardinal, Craig Smith

Massive production increase and a legitimate starting SG. They get rid of pieces and move Bobby Jackson's bad deal, trading prospects for current talent.

MEM GIVES: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal
MEM GETS: Theo Ratliff, Ryan Bowen, Bernard Robinson, Ely

MEM loves cash savings. This uses a not cheaply-priced Miller as their last chance to move the unmovable .. Brian Cardinal, and saves $33 million in 2008 and 2009. MEM takes back all expirings.

MIN GIVES: Theo Ratliff, Craig Smith
MIN GETS: Julian Wright, Hilton Armstrong, Bobby Jackson, 2008 lotto-protected 1st

MIN eats Bobby Jackson's deal and faces $10 mil in salary for next season, but gets long-range pieces. This might jeopardize resigning one of Telfair or Gomes though, so I'm not sure I'd do it. However, using MIN as an intermediary seems like a decent idea.

Does New Orleans or Memphis send a 1st rounder to the Wolves?

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Does New Orleans or Memphis send a 1st rounder to the Wolves?

I assume it will be NO because MEM won't trade 1st rounders while rebuilding

I agree, it looks decent for everyone depending on who sends the pick, I assume it's NO. One other thing, are we sure Memphis wants to give up Miller, I don't know if they have any 2 gaurds left beside Juan Carlos Navvaro...I am not sure if Memphis takes this deal, but as a Wolf, I LOVE IT!

I'd do it in an absolute heartbeat.

I'd rather stick with plan A and resign Gomes and Telfair. This isn't bad for a plan B.

We make like bandits in this deal.

Memphis gets crap, I think Miller is at least worth a first with those expirings.

theGreatRC wrote:We make like bandits in this deal.

Memphis gets crap, I think Miller is at least worth a first with those expirings.

I initially had a pick heading that way, but then I counted up the savings. My thinking went like this:

shrink wrote: Is Mike Miller worth $9.5 mil/yr, for three years? I think so. Even though max deals go for $13, Miller is productive, and $9.5 seems reasonable.

Is Mike Miller worth $17 mil/year for three years? No way! But that would be the price of NO's new acquisitions if Cardinal rode the bench. Now New Orleans gets to move Bobby Jackson's 2-year, $6 mil deal, so its not all bad for the Hornets, but I think Memphis, particularly now, would jump at the chance to avoid paying guaranteed salaries to Miller + Cardinal of $17 mil/year for the next two years. With Theo and Kwame's expiring, they can also make an immediate splash in free agency this Summer.

I dont forsee New Orleans giving up 6 players in the middle of the season.

The deal is pretty good for us, though.