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When making your rankings, take into account the fact that certain players have more trade value than others (which is a reason I have Foye ranked higher than alot of you probably will).


1) Ratliff

- Simply because we all know we could get something good in return due to his expiring deal.

2) Buckner

- Dead end situation for him here. He's nearing the end of his career, and I hope he lands on a team that could give him some minutes.

3) Walker

4) Doleac

5) Green

- Apparently Green feels he's ready and wants to be shipped to a contender that will give him at least 25-30 minutes per game....LOL. He should've just accepted the fact that he needs to improve his basketball IQ before he gets major time with this team. If he won't get minutes here, where WILL he get minutes? I think the fact the Boston played him alot last year skewed his sense of self worth.

Would've loved for him to stay and grow with this team, but he has shown he has zero patience by already asking to get traded. So be it. He probably has SOME value according to some misguided team.

6) Marko

- He made huge strides this season. His shot is much better than it has been the past few years. Too bad he couldn't play like this when KG was here.

7) Madsen

- Glue guy. Love him on the bench...bu unfortunately takes up space. I'd love to see him as a front office member someday, or maybe even as assistant coach of some sort.

8 ) Foye

- I'm not convinced he'll be anything more than a mere role player, plus some teams would probably (hopefully) be willing to give up a first rounder for him. He just doesn't have the vision to be a PG, or the killer instinct to be a lethal scorer....which were the main reasons we drafted him. The simple solution would've been to just keep Billups. Garr.....

9) Smith

- I love Smith, but he doesn't fit with this team unless he accepts having a permanent limited role, which I don't think he ultimately will.

10) Chris Richard

- This guy needs minutes. We need to see what we have in him.

11) McCants

- I'd have him rank lower on this list, but I'm very concerned with his recent outlashes.

12) Gomes

13) Brewer

14) Bassy

- Future star. Book it.

15) Big Al

Foye higher than Richard and Telfair?

The man hasnt played in 10 games this season. Its not like we knew him as "4th Quarter Foye" or anything so you're right, he doesnt have a killer instinct.

Most to least:

Green
Walker
Doleac
Buckner
Madsen
Richard
Jaric
Smith
Gomes
McCants
Bassy
Foye
Brewer
Ratliff
Jefferson


Here is my explanation for a few:

Ratliff is more valuable to us(as a rebuilding team) than to just trade him to get something "good" in return; it gives us an opportunity to sign our young guys to reasonable deals.

Green has been open about a trade and even said he wants out. I'm a fan of his freakish athleticism, but I would rather enjoy that if he were doing that on another team, so at least I won't be pissed when he messes up, but be in awe when he does something spectacular.

Big Al is untouchable, Corey is going to be our best perimeter defender and is only 21. Those two in my eyes aren't available in trades.

4ho5ive wrote:Foye higher than Richard and Telfair?

The man hasnt played in 10 games this season. Its not like we knew him as "4th Quarter Foye" or anything so you're right, he doesnt have a killer instinct.

I agree Foye has had some GREAT fourth quarters...but you don't think he's the LEAST bit timid? I personally think he's way too passive.

Don't get me wrong though, the reason I have him higher on the list is assuming we'd get some value in return for him. If we'd only get garbage for him, then by all means keep him.

Richard is ranked lower simply because we need more big men and I still want to see what we have in him before he leaves. His ranking on my list could easily change in the future. He seems to have great intelligence on the court though, and that's always a plus with those big guys.

The only player I want to trade is Green. I'm ambivalent on Walker, Buckner, and Doleac. If someone is willing to give a two year contract for Jaric, the trigger must be pulled - otherwise he's a keeper, as is everybody else on the roster (except Richard, who has virtually zero value.)

1) Marko- Contract is way to big for a rebuilding team. If we can move him for a shorter contract, we should.

2a) Buckner- Two shorter contracts, I would like to see them traded
2b) Walker- for a bad contract and a top 10 pick (B.Wallace?)

3) Smith- I like Smith a lot, but he doesn't fit next to Big Al, so he's worth more to the Wolves if we trade him.

4) McCants- A big time talent with a big time ego and a terrible attitude. I know I'm in the minority here, but I would like to see him moved.

5) Doleac- An expiring, but anything that will keep him for playing even one more minute for the Wolves is cool with me.

6) Green- Wants to be traded and hasn't been anywhere near as good as was advertised, but we didn't take his option for next year, so we won't be able to get anything in trade that would be more valuable than just letting his contract expire.

7) Bassy- Depends entirely on the upcoming draft. If we go for Rose, move him. If we go for anyone else, I would love to keep him.

7) Madsen- Very little basketball talent, but he is great in the community and he doesn't have a bad contract. Keep him.

Chris Richard- Could be a good backup C. Super inexpensive contract. No reason to move him.

9) Foye- Has been pretty bad the last few games, but that is to be expected after his big injury. Has been repeatedly included in the FO's future plans. I'd really like to see him at 100% before I say he should be moved.

12) Gomes- I love Gomes' game. Great attitude, hard worker, fits really well with Big Al. The exact kind of role player that any team in the league would love to have, and he shouldn't be overly expensive to resign next year.

13) Brewer- Great glue guy. May be the best defensive player on the team. The only player that consistently goes out on the break. No reason to move him.

14) Ratliff- Expiring Contract is way too valuable to trade away.

15) Big Al- Best player on the team. No reason to trade him.

Jefferson
Brewer
Foye
Ratliff
Gomes

These are the players I feel NEED to be Timberwolves for the long run (minus Ratliff of course who is a valuable exp, he can stay if he re-ups for the vet min tho)

I still really like McCants and want him as a part of our future, but it seems just about everyone is getting fed up with him.

Everyone else on the team is expendable if they can net us positive value. Even Cookie and Telfair.

Right now I look at Telfair, Gomes, Brewer, and Al and think it is a good core. The wolves would need a consistent perimeter scorer, and another big man.

Smith, McCants, and Foye have value. Foye is still unknown, and he will be for some time. These guys could stay, but I don't know if any of them greatly improves the team in the future.

Jaric, Buckner, Walker, and Madsen will be tough to move, and to me offer little value to the Wolves, or anyone else.

Ratliff, Doleac, Richard, and Green will likely not be with the team next season.

Trade as soon as possible:

1) Green - GG has no future here

2) Doleac - has some value as an expiring


Trade over the offseason:

3) Walker - will be a large expiring next year, might as well wait until then

4) Buckner

WheyMan7 wrote:5) Green

- Apparently Green feels he's ready and wants to be shipped to a contender that will give him at least 25-30 minutes per game....LOL. He should've just accepted the fact that he needs to improve his basketball IQ before he gets major time with this team. If he won't get minutes here, where WILL he get minutes? I think the fact the Boston played him alot last year skewed his sense of self worth.

Why should Green have patience with a franchise that didn't have any patience with him whatsoever. It's been obvious almost from the start of the season that he didn't have a future with the Wolves, when they chose to not pick up his option and then kept him on the bench while giving guys like Buckner heavy minutes. I don't think his trade request was to go to a place where he'd get 25-30 minutes, but to somewhere he'd at least have a chance to figure into their future plans.

Tradeable:
1) Green - doubt he has much value right now
2) Doleac
3) Smith
4) McCants - curious to see what we could get for him

Tradeable but hard to move:
5) Marko
6) Madsen

Tradeable but could be valuable expirings next season
7) Walker
Buckner

The Rest:

9)Bassy

im guessing beasley wont last 10 mins with wittman or u guys ,yet some of u's wanna draft him

horaceworthy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Why should Green have patience with a franchise that didn't have any patience with him whatsoever. It's been obvious almost from the start of the season that he didn't have a future with the Wolves, when they chose to not pick up his option and then kept him on the bench while giving guys like Buckner heavy minutes. I don't think his trade request was to go to a place where he'd get 25-30 minutes, but to somewhere he'd at least have a chance to figure into their future plans.

I love you horace. I could go on a big long rant, but you summed it up wonderfully. The only thing I'd like to add is the massive double standard management/coaching used with guys like McCants and Brewer in comparison to Gerald.

GeraldGreen5 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I love you horace. I could go on a big long rant, but you summed it up wonderfully. The only thing I'd like to add is the massive double standard management/coaching used with guys like McCants and Brewer in comparison to Gerald.

Brewer is a rookie

Mccants is avg like 14 ppg and minnesota has put a lot of time into devloping him

Mchale gave Green a option too work on hes ball handeling and other areas during the off-season and i dont think he even didthat hes own fault no one elses

Please show me how you supposidly know that he didn't work on his handle or work hard this off-season? Well, I actually do know what Gerald worked on, it was fairly well documented that he went down to Houston to work out with John Lucas (with other guys like Sean Williams and Rashard Lewis). He spent A LOT of time on his handle, A LOT, and while it still is far from refined, it's a hell of a lot better than it was last year. Gerald worked hard this offseason, you don't go to John Lucas to sit on your ass. He simply hasn't had the opportunity to showcase any of his improvements. Hell, even in his limited choppy minutes, he's displayed an improved rebound rate and improved assist rate.

McCants prior to this season never showed anything more than Gerald. Yet when it came time to assign roles, McCants was handed time because he's been in Minnesota for two years. It had nothing to do with actual playing ability. I hear all this bull about earning minutes, yet McCants was handed minutes because he'd been here for two years. Even now, with his 14 ppg, McCants is posting a 13.9 PER while playing mediocre at best defense. Am I missing where that's a whole lot better than what Gerald was doing last year?

Brewer's a rookie, but he's the same age as Gerald. Meanwhile when he's missing shots, its ok because he's just make adjustments, and when he's making mistakes its ok because he's young. Brewer has been one of the worst players in the NBA this year, I can't even begin to comprehend how he gets a free pass here.

If you watch any Wolves games, you can see every game that Brewer hustles his heart out. He dives for loose balls, is never shy to go up with bigger guys and has been better about his shooting.

Im not taking anything away from Green, but your bashing of Brewer just takes away from your point as a whole.

McCants was "handed time" because he can shoot and score, although he is a malcontent and horrible on defense. Brewer gets minutes because he is an incredible defender and hustle player. If he learns how to consistently hit a 12-15 ft jumpshot, he'll be in the league a long, long time.

It doesn't matter if Gerald Green "worked on his handle" in the off-season; that's just one of the many things wrong with his game. The single biggest problem he has is that he is never in the right position on the court, whether it is on offense or defense. If you can't do that, it doesn't matter how good your "handle" is. He hasn't shown anything in his limited minutes that he deserves playing time on this, or any other, NBA team.

GeraldGreen5 wrote:Even now, with his 14 ppg, McCants is posting a 13.9 PER while playing mediocre at best defense. Am I missing where that's a whole lot better than what Gerald was doing last year?

McCants defense isn't solid, but it's a whole let better than Gerald's this year. And no one cares about this year, all that matters is right now, and right now Gerald isn't earning any minutes in the short burns he's getting - he's actually proving the contention time and time again that he ought to be on the bench.

4ho5ive:
I love that Brewer hustles, and I can understand why people like him, but he's basically a glorified Brian Scalabrine. I'm alright with Brewer playing under the "he's earned minutes by hustling" tag, but Brewer has played everybit as poorly as Gerald on the whole, and he can't use the limited minutes excuse.

Steve_Holiday:
My argument with McCants has little to do with how he's playing now. Coming into this season, McCants had not shown anything that said he should be playing over Gerald. They had both basically been the exact same players, high volume scorers with a high turnover rate and both made the occasional bonehead move. Their production levels were basically the same across the board, yet because McCants was better known by the organization, he was handed minutes and Gerald was glued to the bench.
Last year when McCants was playing limited, choppy minutes he was doing the same thing Gerald is doing right now. I realize McCants was coming off a major injury, and as someone who's followed Tony Allen's progress I know the kind of impact that can have on a player, but watching McCants last year one of his biggest problems is he was never able to find his jumpshot....the same way Gerald hasn't been able to find his in the limited minutes he's had.

deeney:
When you say no one cares about "this year" I'm assuming you mean last year. My point is simply that McCants did nothing to separate himself from Gerald coming into the year. Gerald was dealt a **** hand to begin with, he was never given any sort of oppertunity. And for the millionth time, I'll point out how hard it is to earn minutes in short burn, especially when you're a jumpshooter who can't find his shot. On the same note, basically everything Gerald has done this year has been an improvement upon last year (rebound rate, assist rate, opponent PER), yet because he can't find his jumpshot he looks like total ****. Well how the hell is he supposed to find his jumpshot playing 5 minutes every other week?

I'm pretty indifferent to McCants vs Green debate.

I'd probably rather keep Green in all honesty.