TheFranchise21 wrote:OK, here's a question for some of you guys who point to Beasely's monstrous college production as the main reason why we should draft him (assuming we get the top pick)...
Do you rate Bayless higher on your draft board than Rose? I mean, if you use the logic above to rate Beasely, why not do the same for Bayless and Rose?
I have a feeling many of you have Rose higher on your draft boards than Bayless.
Numbers are vain, it is how he is scoring. Many of the skills he has right now translate to the NBA. His ability to hit the mid range jumper, his strength, his desire/nose for offensive rebounds.
I have an issue with drafting a pg. I simply do not want a project pg. Chris Paul and Deron Williams were proven. They had the mental game down. So much of PG is mental. Not physical (John stockton was one of the best, Steve nash is now) Personally I think Bassy has worlds of potential and is only 22. Foye looks decent in spurts. Sign a damn vet and roll with those guys.
My draft board. Here it was (feb 3)
revprodeji wrote:I guess I should do my "draft board" couple things to consider
--I am not ready to jump into Beasley. Like I said before. He is either #1 or not on the list. My foot is dipped in the water, but I am not jumping in.
--Foye needs to be given more time to see if he is capable of playing the lead guard or if he is a combo guard.
--I wish I knew what the front office was going to do with Gomes. Reason I ask is Greene moves up if we are not resigning Gomes.
Those 3 things need to be addressed before I am able to make a proper draft board, I will assume that we will have the 4th or worse, so I can ignore the top 3
-Beasley/Rose will likely be the top 2 selections. So unless we "strike it rich" we do not need to consider either guy. # 3 is based on who gets it.
(not in order)
-Mayo
-Lopez
-Hibbert
-Love (If he is 6'10 I am interested)
-Greene (Notice the Gomes talk about)
-Guys not on my list
-Gordon (I think he is redundent with Shad and I like what I see from Shad. To me Gordon needs to prove he can be a big scorer at this level)
-Jordan (His sex appeal for potential is tarnished with how raw he looks. I personally feel he should spend another year in college. If he starts playing better and comes out for the draft I will need to consider him)
-Jerryd Bayless (combo guard, no need to repeat the Foye thing)
-Chase Budinger (just does not do it for me)
-Kosta Koufos (soft, no defense. I do not want him)
-Guys I will admit I do not know enough about
-Danilo Gallinari ( seems like a tweener, but do not know him)
-Nicolas Batum ( I do like what I hear about him)
What has changed is that I think with the #1 we need to take a gamble on Beasley. I just kind of think it is a serious gamble. But it could really pay off. Why Beasley?
1.) We are talking if we get the #1 overall. Chances of this is rare, so the discussion itself might be in vain.
2.) I have always said Beasley is the biggest risk/reward in the draft. He has loads of potential but also has the biggest red flags. Check to the beginning of this thread even. I have just said it is not worth the risk.
3.) Certain poster's naive man-crush for Beasley put me off of him as well. If there is anything I can not stand more in the sports discussion it is the groupie that contributes nothing but temper and cannot be talked with or reasoned with. That attitude fed into my attitude concerns with Beasley, At a subconscious level anyway.
4.) Besides the off the court stuff my other concerns about Beasley were his defensive desire and his ability to score from the 3 (spot not line). He has really improved from both of these perspectives. I saw a glipse of Beasley's ability to score from the 3 spot in france and I was waiting for that this year. Showing the desire to improve and with his age I think the reward is starting to outweigh the risk. He clearly has the most pure talent and "it" of any player in this draft.
5.) The argument for a 5 is known, and still very valid, but also what is being seen is the need for a legit #2/#1 offensive option from the wing to play with Al. Foye *could* be this option, but might be better set as a 3rd. Shad *could* but might be better as a 6th man spark plug. A line up of
center/Al/Beasley/Brewer/Foye
is interesting, if we want to play some small ball we can throw Gomes or shad into the spot.
Personally I hope we somehow (trade/trade down, etc) end up with a big that can play next to Al (Hibbert/Lopez/Thabeast/love)
I also have fallen out of love with the young pg's. Rose could be good, or he could never understand the mental side of the game. I personally see Bayless as very similar to Foye. I would rather develop out young pg (Bassy/Foye) then bring another in next year if neither improves. Ricky Rubio has a better BBIQ then ROse or Bayless
Mayo has slipped a little bit for me also. Not as a prospect, but for this team. I do not think there is enough seperation in skill from Shad/Foye to Mayo. Mayo appears to be a guy who will make a nice #2 or #3 scorer from the 2, but so could FOye or Shad. I personally would rather bring in a 5 or a 3 and move Brewer to the 2 on defense.
I noticed this draft class has a lot of legit talent at the 4-5 spot. Some of it is attractive, some is smoke and mirrors.
I still like Lopez and Hibbert. Love is based on his conditioning and if he is more of a 6'10 or 6'8. Thabeast looks good, but remember Kenny George is getting 4 blks a game also. Thabeast still does not run the motor for the whole game and would be a bigger project then Leon Smith for the offensive game.
Donte Green has all the potential in the world. I worry he is becoming content with shooting the long range, but he is growing and could be an offensive talent similar to Beasley. Personally I hope he stays another year (Same as Jordan,Griffin, Speights, Koufos, Ogilvy and McGee)
SO assuming everyone comes out this year. Here is my draft board. red means it is their value, but I would rather not want them and I would look for a team crushing on them to trade with.
1.) Beasley (Like I said, either he is #1 or not on the board)
2.)
Rose (If he stays a year and gains the mental he is the clear #1, but right now he is potential, and pg's need more than potential)
3.) Lopez (sometimes too passive, but otherwise prototype of what we want next to Al)
4.)
Bayless (same as rose, also more of a combo right now)
5.)
Gordon (undersized Ben Gordon does nothing for me)
6.) Greene (Beasley-lite, kid could be a stud if he wants to. Hopefully not a Tim Thomas)
7.) Hibbert (You all know my thoughts)
8.) Nicolas Batum (I am learning more, Rudy-Gay like prospect/Dominate roll player. Problem is desire to be great and consistancy. A lil soft. Second biggest risk/reward in the draft to Beasley)
9.) Danilo Gallinari (screams tweener, but is a clear go-to guy. Remember what Lamar Odom was like coming out of Rhode Island?)
10.) Mayo (not a need spot, but if we had a second pick and he slipped I would consider)
11.) Love (rumor has it he is closer to 6'10 and that makes me excited-not a sexy pick, but will be very good as a pro)
12.) Thabeast (his BBIQ, Motor and offensive skill worries me. His ability to defend a more physical player worries me. What he will do in the NBA without the true college zone worries me also. That being said his timing for shot blocking and speed for a 7ft are amazing)
13.) Jordan (needs another year, right now he is slipping faster than anyone not named Britney)
14.) Griffin ( Should be higher on the list, but I have not seen enough to know if he is a legit future stud at the 5 or a more physical Spencer Hawes. he needs a jumper and strenght. Another year and he is top3)
15.) Augustine (If we needed a pg I would go here, if we think we are going to lose Bassy we should move to get him or singletary in the second)
16.) Psycho T (Putting Beasley like numbers up on a top-5 team. What else does he need to do? I see a lot of Horace Grant here)
17.) Hardin (good defender, but is his rebounding consistant and offensive game existing?)
18.) Bill Walker (attitude and knee is a concern, also is he a 2 or 3)
19.) Jawai (project, but a nice one)
20.) CDR (could move up, but goofy style and wondering if he is a product of the system)
21.) Arthur (not sure how he would fit with Al, but he is talented)
22.) Koufos (mark Blount)
23.)
Budinger (run away)
Clearly in this draft I would love to have a mid-late 1st rd pick in order to move up and get one of the bigs that fall.