toine wants out

Post #1 » by **Basti** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:45 am

check the wiretap

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... minnesota/

good or bad?

Frozen316 · Post #2 » by **Frozen316** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:51 am

Opens more playing time for Chris Richard/Craig?
I thought Antoine was happy with his role, I guess he feels the urge to win another championship or be with his buddy Gerald.

BTW I think I will nickname Craig + Al Cookie(s) and Cream. Thoughts?
The floater brothers is nice too. Just a thought.

deeney0 · Post #3 » by **deeney0** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:52 am

If he's not boughtout now, I believe he's bought out before the start of next season. I know there's incentive for the Wolves to keep him around so he can be traded as an expiring next year, but if he's willing to give up a certain amount of money, the Wolves probably won't pass it up.

If he is bought out for (pulling a number out of thin air that seems relatively reasonable) 80%, that's almost $2mil more breathing room under the lux for the Wolves next year. Although I think they'd probably be able to keep Bassy, Gomes, and Smith as it stands right now, a little bit further under might mean they can sign also a body at the minimum to spend a little time at C.

Post #4 » by **Basti** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:57 am

if toine really wants out and considers a buyout I wouldn't be surprised if he accepts a real cheap buyout. dunno how much he has left on his contract but it's more than 8 million so I wouldn't be surprised if he accepts a 1 or 2 million buyout

deeney0 · Post #5 » by **deeney0** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:05 am

Sham has Walker at $9.0mil next season. By "accepts a 1 or 2 million buyout" I assume you mean accept 7-8mil, leaving 1-2mil on the table, which sounds reasonable considering someone will sign him for the vet minimum. But who knows.

casey · Post #6 » by **casey** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:20 am

I'm too lazy to go and find it, but like a month ago he made a comment about how he wouldn't be willing to give up much money in a buyout. We'll see.

Post #7 » by **Basti** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:27 am

deeney0 wrote:Sham has Walker at $9.0mil next season. By "accepts a 1 or 2 million buyout" I assume you mean accept 7-8mil, leaving 1-2mil on the table, which sounds reasonable considering someone will sign him for the vet minimum. But who knows.

lol yeah. until now I got the whole buy out procedure wrong I guess. thx

mnWI · Post #8 » by **mnWI** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:29 am

Bartelstein is the best agent in the business. He won't take a huge discount, and if he does it would probably be bad for the Wolves for political reasons.

karch34 · Post #9 » by **karch34** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:58 am

Frozen316 wrote:BTW I think I will nickname Craig + Al Cookie(s) and Cream. Thoughts?

Sounds like a bad porno.

I think Walker has more value as an expiring next year to us than buying him out and saving only a couple million. I thought basti meant accepted $1-2 million and left $7-8 million on the table. That'd be my starting negotiation point if he really wants out. I'd be willing to go up but if he really wants out, put up or shut up.

PeeDee · Post #10 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:33 am

He's too valuable as an expiring next year... if he won't do it wicked cheap, then I say no.

casey · Post #11 » by **casey** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:58 am

PeeDee wrote:He's too valuable as an expiring next year

Is he really though? I don't think Taylor would be willing to trade him for another big contract.

andyhop · Post #12 » by **andyhop** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:56 am

If you believe you can use him to get a good player in a trade you keep him, if you don't want to do that you buy him out for as little as you can.

collin_k41 · Post #13 » by **collin_k41** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:59 pm

I don't really care. Toine doesn't want to be here then get him out. He is my least favorite wolf anyways.

shrink · Post #14 » by **shrink** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:28 pm

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=766493

Here's an important post on the teams that are likely to be under the salary cap far enough to be a player in signing free agents for more than the MLE. This has an effect on how much trade value other teams may put on obtaining Walker's expiring because their summer moves will help establish the market value for talent.

MN Die Hard · Post #15 » by **MN Die Hard** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:20 pm

casey wrote:Is he really though? I don't think Taylor would be willing to trade him for another big contract.

Yeah I agree with this.... when was the last time MN used an expiring contract to improve the team? Brandon for Spree?

But still, I'm awfully sick and tired of these spoiled bastards asking for "buyouts" when they really dont take much of a hit at all. IMO if a guy wants a buyout - especially someone with at least a year left on his deal - the starting point should be 50% of his contract. You dont want to take that hit? Fine, shut your mouth and come to work. Nothing pisses me off more than someone saying "I want a buyout but I dont want to give up much salary". F*** you then, shut up and do your job.

Which of us can go to our employer and say "I want to go work somewhere else. Give me 90% of my next two years salary and I'll walk away".

Really, I dont have a problem with someone sacraficing a good chunk of salary to be bought out. Its the guys that want it both ways that piss me off. And more often than not, the team gives in for some reason.

MN Die Hard · Post #16 » by **MN Die Hard** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:29 pm

Gotta love what Buck had to say though (from the same link):

Veteran Greg Buckner, though, said he was happy to see last week