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I know we are told to draft on talent, not need. But even with Talent we need to find a fit. That being said I am trying to get a feel on what we feel Shad's roll with us is.

There are 2 situations this year that I feel he has really been effective.

1.) 6th man offense off the bench--ala mini Manu roll.
2.) Starting Small forward

Lets say we draft a guard. (Rose/Mayo) Is it plausable to have a 3 guard rotation where Foye/Guard start and Shad gets minutes as the 6th man there? Or perhaps even starting as the 3? Brewer can play both 2/3 Gomes can play both 3/4.

Just babbling. Trying to figure a fit for Shad longterm.

Shad as a 6th man is the best thing for him.

Whenever he checks in, he is already instant offense. One of maybe three players who can create his own offense, and his handles have improved, and his fakes are freezes are special. He plays Ricky Davis defense; only good when motivated, but sometimes he gets too aggressive and commits fouls. I hope he stays here, but something in me just feels like he won't be here after his contact is up.

this year bench

next year starting if he can try and get hes turnovers and fouls down

I think it depends on the draft pick. If the pick is Beasley, that gives us enough scoring in the starting lineup to bring Shad off the bench. If the pick if one of the centers, I think it'd be better to had Shad starting.

I think that as things stand now he should be 6th man but getting approx. 30 minutes a game.Give him time at the 2 and 3 when the more defensive guys like Brewer,Jaric and/or those who don't score particularly well like Telfair (if back) are in the game

Either Shad or Foye should be on the court at all times because the Wolves don't have too many other real scoring options alongside Al this season.

Next season looks like more of the same because I haven't seen much evidence so far that Foye is the PG of the future meaning that the Wolves PG's for next season don't look to be big scoring types with Telfair (if back),Rose ( if picked) and Jaric playing minutes there.

Small forward? Shad is a shade over 6'4. He would get owned by 3s.

I like Shad as a 6th man. Instant offense off the bench. A more athletic Anthony Peeler.

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TheFranchise21 wrote:Small forward? Shad is a shade over 6'4. He would get owned by 3s.

I like Shad as a 6th man. Instant offense off the bench. A more athletic Anthony Peeler.

His standing reach is the same as Grangers, kid has freakishly long arms. Earlier this year when Shad was starting and scoring he did it from the 3.

theGreatRC wrote:Shad as a 6th man is the best thing for him.

Whenever he checks in, he is already instant offense. One of maybe three players who can create his own offense, and his handles have improved, and his fakes are freezes are special. He plays Ricky Davis defense; only good when motivated, but sometimes he gets too aggressive and commits fouls. I hope he stays here, but something in me just feels like he won't be here after his contact is up.

couldn't agree more with that. I really like him as our 6th man though I don't really believe Rashad really likes that role

I would be happy with Shad as our sixth man (instant offense off the bench) but I just dont see him accepting that role at all.
All I can think of is craiggers being our sixth man coming off the bench.

foye
mcants
beasly
al
Center

the only problem with this line up is no defence and too many shooters..

^^thats why we arent taking beasley

the way i see it, we have a proven PF, no need for another. (I really honestly find it hard to believe beasley can guard 3's in the NBA)

what we need is proven consistent talent everywhere else. I see a Ben Gordon like role for Shad. That doesnt mean I dont think he can start, but i do think he would be better served coming off the bench.

And to rev's question, not only would it be plausible for a three guard rotation I think it is within our best interest to draft Rose. But not to form a 3 guard rotation with shad and foye, but to form a 4 guard rotation with those 3 plus telfair.

I think any combination of those four could play on the floor at the same time, and even at times 3 of the 4. I would be ecstatic to let those four man the guard minutes with gomes and brewer manning the SF role. It may be undersized height wise, but foye and shad arent exactly going to be abused in the post, they are strong guards.

slinky wrote:^^thats why we arent taking beasley

the way i see it, we have a proven PF, no need for another. (I really honestly find it hard to believe beasley can guard 3's in the NBA)

what we need is proven consistent talent everywhere else. I see a Ben Gordon like role for Shad. That doesnt mean I dont think he can start, but i do think he would be better served coming off the bench.

And to rev's question, not only would it be plausible for a three guard rotation I think it is within our best interest to draft Rose. But not to form a 3 guard rotation with shad and foye, but to form a 4 guard rotation with those 3 plus telfair.

I think any combination of those four could play on the floor at the same time, and even at times 3 of the 4. I would be ecstatic to let those four man the guard minutes with gomes and brewer manning the SF role. It may be undersized height wise, but foye and shad arent exactly going to be abused in the post, they are strong guards.

You should break down how many minutes you think each of those guys would get. There is no way there is enough playing time for all of them if Gomes plays any sf. The only situation that might work is if Gomes is playing pf full time.

Rose30/Telfair18
Foye34/McCants14
Brewer32/McCants16

Telfair would not be happy with that amount of playing time.

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You should break down how many minutes you think each of those guys would get. There is no way there is enough playing time for all of them if Gomes plays any sf. The only situation that might work is if Gomes is playing pf full time.

Rose30/Telfair18
Foye34/McCants14
Brewer32/McCants16

Telfair would not be happy with that amount of playing time.

I agree if Rose is the pick ,Telfair is gone.

Rose30/Foye10/Jaric8
Foye25/McCants23
Brewer30/McCants7/Gomes11

That seems to make more sense, everyone gets enough minutes to be happy except Jaric who will have to rely on injuries,foul trouble,Rose's bad rookie games and garbage time to pick up his minutes.


If the pick isn't a guard I'd try and sign up Bassy but as said not for too many years unless he was really cheap.Ideally I would like to have him play out next season for his QO, he has the incentive to play well to get a good deal as an unrestricted FA in a year where lots of teams look like they will have cap space and the Wolves get another year to assess if he fits long term.

i agree with you guys that telfair might not like his playing time very much. But the one thing wittman is consistent about is if you outperform your competition you will play. But i should clarify a little bit about what i said earlier.

1)When it comes down to Beasley v. Rose. I pick Rose, because I dont want AlJeff playing center and I dont think Beasley is a SF.

2)Wittman isnt worried about what people think of their playing time, so neither will I. Yes, it does play a role in if players want to sign with us, but i am a firm believer in rewarding players with playing time.

3)Because of that I dont automatically pencil Rose in for 30 min. If he outperforms then he will play a lot, if he has some mental lapses, he will sit, just like brewer does from time to time.

4)Telfair is a good player, we should make every attempt to sign him. I agree that I wouldnt sign him longterm. But worse case scenario, he has plus trade value and not just because he's expiring.

5)We cant afford to let our assets go without attempting to sign them. Worse case they turn into trading chips, best case they find their niche on this team.

6)I wouldnt be surprised if Gomes gets a big contract. Not saying the wolves wouldnt match, but I dont think gomes is a sure thing. I think a contender, especially, would look into his services.

Do you guys really think shad will embrace the off the bench role longterm? I just dont see it. One side of me says that I would love to see him and foye in the back court together. On the other hand, I just feel like if we get a high draft pick it's not going to happen. That means shad will have to come off the bench. Hopefully he accepts the role because he is getting starter type min, but you never know.

slinky wrote:
1)When it comes down to Beasley v. Rose. I pick Rose, because I dont want AlJeff playing center and I dont think Beasley is a SF.

I haven't seen Beasley play yet, so let me ask you this. I don't think McCants should play any minutes at SF, he is too small. I also don't think Foye should play SG, he is too small. Both these opinions are debatable, but do you really think Beasley will be worse playing out of position then those two playing out of position?

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I haven't seen Beasley play yet, so let me ask you this. I don't think McCants should play any minutes at SF, he is too small. I also don't think Foye should play SG, he is too small. Both these opinions are debatable, but do you really think Beasley will be worse playing out of position then those two playing out of position?

No doubt. We're passing up the best player in the draft so we can trot the most undersized lineup in the NBA? I don't like it.

yea, the logic there is flawed. Also Beasley can play the 3.