Gerald Wallace for the #3-#7 Pick?

shrink · Post #1 » by **shrink** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:26 am

A Bobcats fan on the Trade Board asked a question I couldn't answer.

I don't think we'd pass on a top two pick, but if we got a later pick, would we trade it and Walker's expiring for a sign-and-trade of Gerald Wallace for four years starting at $9 mil?

deeney0 · Post #2 » by **deeney0** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:30 am

Gerald no. Okafor yes.

theGreatRC · Post #3 » by **theGreatRC** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:32 am

I agree with Deeney

big3_8_19_21 · Post #4 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:07 am

I third that, but I don't see why Charlotte would want to give up Wallace.

the_bruce · Post #5 » by **the_bruce** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:49 am

on the fence...

I'm not to thrilled about paying Wallce 9.5m/yr till he's what 33,34,35? I mean his nickname is crash how long can he stay out of danger in his 30's at the 3?!!?

big3_8_19_21 · Post #6 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:04 am

you know that Gerald Wallace is only 25, right?

Krapinsky · Post #7 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:15 am

Why would charlotte do this a year after trading their #8 pick for Jason Richardson?

If anything, I think they're more likely to trade their pick for another vet.

All they need is a 4/5 to complement Okafor and they could be a really dangerous team. On second thought maybe they just stay put and draft Hibbert, then move Okafor to the four.

the_bruce · Post #8 » by **the_bruce** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:38 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:you know that Gerald Wallace is only 25, right?

Hmm I thought he was like 27-28, he looks 40 though?

digitaldropoff · Post #9 » by **digitaldropoff** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:16 pm

I don't see why we'd grab an expensive piece like that when we could possibly find a similar player in the draft? Walker will be a nice trade chip, but with as many wing players as this team needs, I want us to grab a big if we're gonna be trading, and at 3-7...we'd have to just take BPA.

mnWI · Post #10 » by **mnWI** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:31 pm

deeney0 wrote:Gerald no. Okafor yes.

The funny thing is many NBA decision-makers would say the exact opposite. Okafor is overrated by fans. Charlotte wouldn't do this trade anyway (don't know about the fans, but I know their front office wouldn't).

prefuse73 · Post #11 » by **prefuse73** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:36 pm

well now that we are down to 4th worst in the league, its becoming more attractive to deal the pick. I would only do it for a Center like Okafor otherwise we can just select Lopez and call it a day. Okafor's defense would look great next to Al though.

What else could we do with say pick# 4 and walkers contract...let through out some other ideas....how about Dalembert?

B Calrissian · Post #12 » by **B Calrissian** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:19 pm

prefuse73 wrote:well now that we are down to 4th worst in the league, its becoming more attractive to deal the pick. I would only do it for a Center like Okafor otherwise we can just select Lopez and call it a day. Okafor's defense would look great next to Al though.

What else could we do with say pick# 4 and walkers contract...let through out some other ideas....how about Dalembert?

I would rather go after Darko. Daly is not worth a lotto pick with the contract he has.

our pick(if not top 2 or maybe 3)/Miami pick/Jaric for Darko/Conley/Cardinal

The Griz get cap space, a future first, and another top 5 pick. They might get a top 2 pick and take Rose or they could draft a pg with on of their other picks (ours and I think the lakers) to team with Lowry. To replace Darko they could take a big guy with one of their 1st round picks. If they do not get a chance to take Beasley/Rose they should take a big with the pick we would trade them and their own. That way they could take Jordan and Hibbert or Lopez. Letting them wait on Jordan, but also getting a center that is more nba ready. I think they also will have cap space this summer with Brown's contract ending.

Wolves
Conley32/Telfair16
Foye34/MCants10/Telfair4
Brewer32/McCants16
Jefferson22/Gomes26
Milicic32/Jefferson12/Richard4

Grizzlies
Lowry/Jaric/(pick)
Navarro/Crittenton
Gay/Miller
(pck)Warrick/Walker
(pick)/Collins

deeney0 · Post #13 » by **deeney0** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:04 pm

mnWI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The funny thing is many NBA decision-makers would say the exact opposite. Okafor is overrated by fans. Charlotte wouldn't do this trade anyway (don't know about the fans, but I know their front office wouldn't).

What would you say?

What would Wallace's role here be? Is he good enough to be a second scorer on a contender? Although this is probably a grossly oversimplify vision, the Wolves biggest needs right now seem to be a legitimate scorer and a defensive post presence. I trust Okafor to be the latter, while I'm not certain Wallace can be the former. Maybe I'm wrong on one or both counts.

MN Die Hard · Post #14 » by **MN Die Hard** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:39 pm

B Calrissian wrote:I would rather go after Darko. Daly is not worth a lotto pick with the contract he has.

I agree, I'm not sure I'd give up our lotto pick for Dally, but between him and Darko I'd take Dally for sure. He costs an extra $3 - $4 million, but his stats are higher across the board as well.

Post #15 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:42 pm

prefuse73 wrote:
What else could we do with say pick# 4 and walkers contract...let through out some other ideas....how about Dalembert?

WTF... Why on earth would you want to do something like that?

karch34 · Post #16 » by **karch34** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:47 pm

I'm not sure about Dalembert. I like him, but giving up a #4 and expiring contract for him is a lot when I think we could get similar production at #4 with Lopez, Hibbert, or Thabeet at millions less. The expiring and picks from 2009 I would consider.

I like Wallace and he's a great defensive swing, with good offense. That said I don't think he's durable enough nor a legitimate #2 to justify the contract.

Not sure about two #1s and Jaric for Darko, Conley, and Cardinal. Conley and Darko could fill our needs, but I guess I haven't seen enough of either this year to think know if they could be the right pieces.

Right now if we're talking our 1st round pick along with Walker's expiring (as long as the pick isn't top 2-3) my choice would still be to do a sign and trade for the likes of Okafor, Deng, or Iguodala. Not sure if any would be available though.

Post #17 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:47 pm

B Calrissian wrote: contract he has.

our pick(if not top 2 or maybe 3)/Miami pick/Jaric for Darko/Conley/Cardinal

WTF... Why on earth would you want to do something like that?

deeney0 · Post #18 » by **deeney0** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:59 pm

Not at all a fan of Darko for that price.

Post #19 » by **C.lupus** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:10 pm

I'm not against trading the pick for the right piece(s) - as long as it is lower than 3. But I'm not crazy about any of these trades. Wallace - I have doubts about his longevity. Dally - too expensive for a one-dimensional player. I like Conley but Darko does nothing for me. Not worth 2 picks for that package.

Post #20 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:15 pm

karch34 wrote:Right now if we're talking our 1st round pick along with Walker's expiring (as long as the pick isn't top 2-3) my choice would still be to do a sign and trade for the likes of Okafor, Deng, or Iguodala. Not sure if any would be available though.

I don't trade #4 for any of those guys. I mean you're sort of expecting a player of that caliber in the top 5, so why would we trade #4 + Walker contract for that? I might see what I could get for Walker + Miami and Boston picks.