Interesting stats: Snyder, Big Al, team as a whole

big3_8_19_21 · Post #1 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:20 am

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/mo ... 80324.html

Wolves record:
games Snyder has played in: 7-7 (0.500) (he missed one game where we lost)
Over the last 9 games: 6-3 (0.667)
First 39 games: 5-34 (0.128)
Since then: 13-17 (0.433)
With current starting line-up (Foye, Jaric, Snyder, Gomes, Jefferson): 5-3

FG% over last 9 games (6-3 record): 50%
FT% over same stretch: 79.8%

Currently have a 3 game home winning streak

Jefferson averaging 3.3 blocks over last 4 games, had career high six assists. Wittman says Jefferson has made strides defensively and passing-wise understanding, seeing, and dealing with double teams (hence the career high assists).

because I was curious I looked this up, so here's our wins/losses over stated stretches of time:

Five wins in 5-34 opening to season:
vs. Sac
@ NOH
vs. Phx
vs. Ind
vs. Mia

Wins in 6-3 streak:
vs. NYK
vs. Mem
vs. LAC
@ Sea
@ LAC
@ Sac

Losses in 6-3 streak:
@ Ind
@ Por
vs. Por

Other win with Snyder:
vs. Uta

Other losses with Snyder:
@ Uta
vs. Cha
vs. Sea
@ Tor

chrbal · Post #2 » by **chrbal** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:28 am

1- other teams are starting to take time off and take it easy.

2 and 3- team is finally starting to get healthy and starting to click.

4- i always kind of thought that if Kirk Snyder ever worked out for a team he would be one of those "do all the little things to win" kind of guys. The fact that this team got him and a 2nd for a player already out of the league is amazing.

5- the teams this team is playing.

the_bruce · Post #3 » by **the_bruce** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:50 am

The biggest corolation to me is bassys injury in relation to Foye's minutes as FT PG, not to disregard how well bassy has played this season

Post #4 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:55 am

I think Foye is a bigger reason for our success, also McCants off the bench has been a huge help. And Brewer is gaining more confidence.

theGreatRC · Post #5 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:19 am

Without McCants, wolves are outscored -11 points. Highest - of any wolves players who sits out.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #6 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:42 pm

^I'm not a big fan of plus/minus for basketball, RC. McCants could be -11 for a lot of reasons... especially as a bench player.

Agree with Rev and bruce - most of us thought Foye would be this team's leader coming into the season, having the ball in his hands 90% of the time, setting the table for Jefferson and taking big shots in the 4th. As he's played his way back the team has been better. That's the biggest difference.

By the way, I think that correlation (Foye at the point = team improvement) means that the Wolves will not draft a point guard this year, even if they get a shot at Rose. I think the improvement on the floor is proof that Foye is an NBA point... maybe a shoot-first point, but most effective with the ball in his hands.

MN Die Hard · Post #7 » by **MN Die Hard** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:54 pm

TrentTuckerForever wrote:By the way, I think that correlation (Foye at the point = team improvement) means that the Wolves will not draft a point guard this year, even if they get a shot at Rose. I think the improvement on the floor is proof that Foye is an NBA point... maybe a shoot-first point, but most effective with the ball in his hands.

I'm not disagreeing with your comments about Foye's improvement, but out of curiousity, what do you see MN doing if they land the second pick? trading down for the best package?

the_bruce · Post #8 » by **the_bruce** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:25 pm

the strangest thing is the Jaric + Foye starting lineup works so well. They are very good compliments to each other. So drafting rose may still be an option imo since Foye isnt exactly a playmaker and Jaric takes a portion of that responsibility from him.

So either draft rose make foye ft SG which messes up the team defensively or decide Jaric is a long term piece of the puzzle and draft accordingly or trade down.

andyhop · Post #9 » by **andyhop** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:37 pm

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Minnesota Timberwolves
07-08 Ranks (Net)                 PER Difference 
POS Pts  FG%   Reb  Ast  T/O  FTA  PER   Opp  Rank 
PG   30   26   21   21   13   29   12.7  19.0  30   
SG   25   12   20   17   28   30   13.1  18.2  29   
SF   29   30   6    22   17   29   11.4  17.4  28   
PF   16   17   21   23   17   18   16.1  18.6  22   
C     1   25   13   20   21   7    22.8  18.6   5

Here are the latest by position numbers from 82Games.

The highlights the Wolves have the highest net scoring Centre combination in the league ,do well in FT attempts at the position and rebound well at SF.

The OK, turnovers at PG,FG% at SG and rebounding at Centre.

The lowlights everything else basically is below average to terrible.

Most notably the team is terrible at getting to the line and scoring in general and has probably the worst backcourt statistically in the league.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #10 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:54 pm

MN Die Hard wrote: I'm not disagreeing with your comments about Foye's improvement, but out of curiousity, what do you see MN doing if they land the second pick? trading down for the best package?

Assuming Beasley goes first? Hmm... that would be tough, especially considering that adding a true pass first point is the fastest way for a bad team to become good (see Chris Paul's effect on NO, or Deron Williams' on the Jazz.) Rose isn't as sure a prospect as Paul or Williams, but he's very highly regarded.

I don't think it's a lock that Rose would be there at 2; I think Miami will end up with the first pick, and Miami needs a point guard just as much as they need a scorer like Beasley, maybe more. Assuming they get the 1st pick and plan on resigning Marion (whom they can pay the most money), wouldn't that orgainization's first priority be getting a big guy or a distributor before another scorer? Rose fits the bill as #1 if Miami gets that pick, IMO. Same with the Sonics, Knicks, even the Clippers.

To answer your question: I think if the Wolves got the 2nd pick, they'd let the first pick happen before doing anything else. I know Beasley is first in most mocks, but I personally think that Rose could just as easily go #1. If the Wolves ended up with Rose, I think they'd have to look at trading either him or Foye, and that they'd get offers for both. I just don't think they can coexist in the same backcourt.

Post #11 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:27 pm

MN Die Hard wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm not disagreeing with your comments about Foye's improvement, but out of curiousity, what do you see MN doing if they land the second pick? trading down for the best package?

There is this guy I want you to meet named Anthony Randolph.

theGreatRC · Post #12 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:39 pm

Well i'm glad you finally replaced Hibbert with someone who is actually good, Rev.

Post #13 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:07 pm

I still like Hibbert, I still have him in my top 8, I just think Randolph might be the 2nd best prospect in the draft.

horaceworthy · Post #14 » by **horaceworthy** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:15 pm

I'm glad people have woken up on Randolph. I wish LSU had been a better team this year. Randolph would have been fun to watch in the tournament. He's just one of those guys that jumps off the screen when you watch him due to his freakish athleticism. He did disappear a fair amount throughout the games I saw, but his potential is undeniable.