Most improved T-Wolf in 08/09

PeeDee · Post #1 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:18 pm

Obvisously, Big Al made a big jump in his play this year...

Who will make that kind of a jump next year? Big Al again? Foye? Brewer?

I'm hoping Brewer improves his shot significantly, but I'm guessing Foye will make a bigger jump and will reap the rewards of playing a full season.

What do you guys think?

deeney0 · Post #2 » by **deeney0** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:25 pm

Corey Brewer will start to find his shot, no doubt it my mind.

Post #3 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:46 pm

Brewer seems like the obvious choice because he has the farthest to go stats-wise. But I agree with PeeDee. I'll go with Foye. Being healthy and playing good minutes for a whole season should do wonders for him. Of course this depends on who we draft.

mwithers · Post #4 » by **mwithers** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 4:08 pm

I will go with Foye also. I think he will improve coming off of this year especially if we draft another big guy.

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 4:53 pm

The thing that makes me optimistic is that we have so many players that have the physical potential to improve a great deal next year. How would you like to be Indiana or NYK? While its unlikely we could name the specific guy there are many guys who could make a big leap here.

Corey Brewer has tremendous athleticism. I think Foye has the tools to be a Wade-like star. McCants is putting up 15 PPG, and making dozens of correctable mistakes. Telfair impressed me. Heck, guys like Kirk Snyder or Chris Richard could be much better next year! And from what I saw in the tounament, Derrick Rose has the tools to be a better pro than college player!

Yes, except for Gomes, who's probably getting the most out of himself, I think we have players that have the potential to be a whole lot better. I guess that's the optimistic look at players that under-performed this season .. next year WILL be better.

WallyWorld · Post #6 » by **WallyWorld** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 5:19 pm

Id say Foye, but I have this odd feeling that he may be moved. It seems like we will be getting pick 3-5 and it would be pretty hard to pass on Mayo or Bayless (tweeners, but both better than Foye)....say no to Brook Lopez, say YES to Robin Lopez via trade late in the first round.

Therefore, Brewer gets my vote hands down.

the_bruce · Post #7 » by **the_bruce** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 5:34 pm

Brewer hands down, I fully expect his to be 13-14ppg\7 boards\3dimes in 35mpg next season.

horaceworthy · Post #8 » by **horaceworthy** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 6:53 pm

I'll be very disappointed next year if the answer to this question isn't Corey Brewer.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #9 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 7:04 pm

Good thread... I don't think Brewer will average great all-around numbers until he's a starter, which barring injury won't happen until after the trade deadline next year at the earliest. He's another year away, IMO, but also the Wolf with the highest ceiling right now. He reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen just a little bit... good team player, ball handler, defender. Pippen obviously went from good to great by being a dominant offensive player and shooter (he should have won MVP the year Jordan missed playing baseball.) Brewer has a long, LONG way to go to being that good, don't get me wrong. But the potential is there.

Unless the Wolves get a chance at Rose (in which case I'm with Wally, Foye is gone), Foye will benefit tremendously from a healthy camp and knowing he's the starter from day one. Anybody the Wolves would pick 3-5 (I think they'd go frontcourt in those spots, Lopez, Randolph or even Jordan) would only benefit Foye's game. They SHOULD pick Mayo if he's available, but I don't think they will.

Post #10 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 7:23 pm

TrentTuckerForever wrote:Good thread... I don't think Brewer will average great all-around numbers until he's a starter, which barring injury won't happen until after the trade deadline next year at the earliest. He's another year away, IMO, but also the Wolf with the highest ceiling right now. He reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen just a little bit... good team player, ball handler, defender. Pippen obviously went from good to great by being a dominant offensive player and shooter (he should have won MVP the year Jordan missed playing baseball.) Brewer has a long, LONG way to go to being that good, don't get me wrong. But the potential is there.

Unless the Wolves get a chance at Rose (in which case I'm with Wally, Foye is gone), Foye will benefit tremendously from a healthy camp and knowing he's the starter from day one. Anybody the Wolves would pick 3-5 (I think they'd go frontcourt in those spots, Lopez, Randolph or even Jordan) would only benefit Foye's game. They SHOULD pick Mayo if he's available, but I don't think they will.

Why couldn't Corey Brewer be a starter next year? He was a starter a good portion of this year.

TrentTuckerForever · Post #11 » by **TrentTuckerForever** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 7:47 pm

^He's started 34 of 73 games. Jaric and Brewer do a lot of the same things on the floor, and Jaric is the guy whose trade value you want to improve. Assuming they keep Gomes and draft a big guy, I would start:

Gomes
Jefferson
Lopez
Jaric
Foye

...bringing complementary wings McCants and Brewer off the bench. That's starting to look like a team.

B Calrissian · Post #12 » by **B Calrissian** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:20 pm

WallyWorld wrote:Id say Foye, but I have this odd feeling that he may be moved. It seems like we will be getting pick 3-5 and it would be pretty hard to pass on Mayo or Bayless (tweeners, but both better than Foye)....say no to Brook Lopez, say YES to Robin Lopez via trade late in the first round.

Therefore, Brewer gets my vote hands down.

If we do draft Bayless or Mayo why does it have to be Foye that is traded? His value will only go up next season. That would have been like trading McCants last offseason.

Post #13 » by **Basti** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:42 pm

bruceallen61 wrote:Brewer hands down, I fully expect his to be 13-14ppg\7 boards\3dimes in 35mpg next season.

I think that's a bit of a stretch but if he could average around 10-12 ppg/5-6 boards and 3 dimes in that time I'd be very very happy with him

but to the OP: if foye is still around here and the starter IMO it will be him. if he gets to know the other ("new") players to know in training camp I think he could do a nice leap next season in scoring and playmaking

deeney0 · Post #14 » by **deeney0** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:05 pm

I don't care how much Corey scores - he's never going to be better than the 4th option on the floor, his scoring numbers are going to fluctuate.. The key is efficiency - at minimum, he needs to be in the mid 40s from the floor and mid 30s from three. Minimum. He might not be there yet next year, but he's got to be a lot closer.

collin_k41 · Post #15 » by **collin_k41** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:06 pm

Ya i think randy foye will be. I think there isn't much of a chance that he gets traded. He worked really hard last summer and it was made obvious in the summer league that he had gotten a lot better. I expect him to do the same this summer but hopefully he can get to his old form relatively quickly and keep on improving from there. For randy foye next season i see 15-18 ppg and 4-6 apg.

Post #16 » by **Basti** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:09 pm

deeney0 wrote:I don't care how much Corey scores - he's never going to be better than the 4th option on the floor, his scoring numbers are going to fluctuate.. The key is efficiency - at minimum, he needs to be in the mid 40s from the floor and mid 30s from three. Minimum. He might not be there yet next year, but he's got to be a lot closer.

well said. I hope that he'll punish the defenders who have the image of him being a bad shooter next season. and if they finally respect him and his shot he should be able to pass by the defenders due to his athleticism

andyhop · Post #17 » by **andyhop** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:31 pm

deeney0 wrote:I don't care how much Corey scores - he's never going to be better than the 4th option on the floor, his scoring numbers are going to fluctuate.. The key is efficiency - at minimum, he needs to be in the mid 40s from the floor and mid 30s from three. Minimum. He might not be there yet next year, but he's got to be a lot closer.

What I want from Brewer is for him to play a Bruce Bowen type role,lockdown defence on the oppositions best SG/SF combined with the ability to hit his shots when he is left alone.

Brewer's eFG% is .379,Bowen's is .517 if Corey gets his scoring to that sort of efficiency I will be happy.

funkatron101 · Post #18 » by **funkatron101** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 10:00 pm

I am personally hoping that it is McCants. If he embraces his role as the 6th man, and works on his defense, I think he could surpass Manu Ginobili.

PeeDee · Post #19 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 10:07 pm

Unfortuately, I don't think McCants will embrace that role. I think if the Wolves keep him in that role, he will want to jump ship at the end of his contract.

the_bruce · Post #20 » by **the_bruce** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 12:20 am

the_incredible_basti wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I think that's a bit of a stretch but if he could average around 10-12 ppg/5-6 boards and 3 dimes in that time I'd be very very happy with him

With 0 production improvement if he keeps up his numbers from this year at 35mpg he would be 9\6\2

I don't think its any stretch of the imagination that he could improve immensely. I would guess a 20% time adjusted increase in boards/dimes isn't out of the question. Plus based upon how horrific brewers jumper has been I don't think a 30-50% increase is really out of the question. I wouldnt be at all suprised if his assists\boards increased, but I would be very disappointed if he didnt improve his jumper. They leave him wide open and cheat off him all the time. If he can knock down some wide open looks regularly, then they will be forced to guard him. Which could lead to some easy assists to Al since they wont be able to cheat of brewer as much.

His offensive game will take several years to develop, but he's got the slashing down, defense, and FT shooting down? He just needs to work on his spot up jumper, 3pt shot, pull up, etc....oh and his handles.