McCants for a pick (late lotto)

Krapinsky · Post #1 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 5:31 pm

One thing I can see happening is us trading McCants to either the Suns (#11 right now) or to the Nuggets (#14) for one of their picks.

I wouldn't necessarily want the Wolves to do this, but it might be best from a chemistry standpoint. McCants would fit right in with either team. The two guard position would be manned by a number of players depending on diff't scenarios:

#1: We draft Rose. Foye get's bulk of 2 guard minutes.

#2: We draft Beasley. Brewer slides down to the 2 spot.

#3: We draft Mayo. Mayo gets the minutes.

#4: We draft a Lopez. Gomes slides to the 3 or we draft a SF (i.e. Green with the mid round pick). Brewer slides to the 2.

*Under every scenario Jaric/Snyder/Buckner would get back up minutes.

This is a deep draft and picking up a mid first rounder could net us a Donte Green or a Mareese Speights or a Deandre Jordan or a Gallinari.

I think it may be a good idea. i love Mccant's game, and I could see him blowing up on another team, but in the end it's chemistry that matters, and we need 15 players that try every night and want to play for Wittman and the Wolves.

PeeDee · Post #2 » by **PeeDee** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 5:37 pm

I hate to say it, but I wholeheartedly agree.

Post #3 » by **C.lupus** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 5:41 pm

I agree, too. Sacrificing McCants for better chemistry and balance might be the best thing to do.

WallyWorld · Post #4 » by **WallyWorld** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 6:14 pm

Thats a trade right out of a video game.

Why trade a proven sixth man threat for a pick already in the range he was picked in a few years ago? McCants is still young, so trading him for another draft pick and restarting the devlopment phase with another plasyer is simply dumb. We get screwed in a deal like this. I can see it if we get a pick in that range and a player with some size, but trading for the pick alone is a downgrade. Silly

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #5 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 6:26 pm

Id trade him for a lower pick. Maybe draft Robin Lopez or if Thabeets around, him.

If Mayo can play PG, thatd be nice.

PeeDee · Post #6 » by **PeeDee** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 6:52 pm

WallyWorld wrote:Thats a trade right out of a video game.

Why trade a proven sixth man threat for a pick already in the range he was picked in a few years ago? McCants is still young, so trading him for another draft pick and restarting the devlopment phase with another plasyer is simply dumb. We get screwed in a deal like this. I can see it if we get a pick in that range and a player with some size, but trading for the pick alone is a downgrade. Silly

What's worse?

Having to start over with a player with just as much upside.

or

Watching him walk for nothing at the end of his contract because he is disgruntled.

Krapinsky · Post #7 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:09 pm

^^^or, I would add, watching his trade value go down b/c either Wittman continually benches him, or he publicly requests a trade.

horaceworthy · Post #8 » by **horaceworthy** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:22 pm

WallyWorld wrote:Thats a trade right out of a video game.

Why trade a proven sixth man threat for a pick already in the range he was picked in a few years ago? McCants is still young, so trading him for another draft pick and restarting the devlopment phase with another plasyer is simply dumb. We get screwed in a deal like this. I can see it if we get a pick in that range and a player with some size, but trading for the pick alone is a downgrade. Silly

Look at it from another team's perspective, though.

Why would you trade a lottery pick for an undersized SG that can't stay out of foul trouble, has a turnover problem, has a tendency towards ball hogging, plays poor defense, has had microfracture surgery, and is reportedly an attitude problem (I think it was someone from the Wizards that said Rashad's the cockiest mf'er that's accomplished nothing in the league).

I like McCants, and I think he has potential, but I'm not sure there are teams out there willing to give up a lotto pick for him.

Winter Wonder · Post #9 » by **Winter Wonder** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:49 pm

I can see us attempting to trade McCants as well, though I don't know what he would net us exactly draft pick-wise. Shrink had posted a thread about trading for the 16-18 with Washington were some other ideas (like trading McCants) were purposed for other teams in this pick range. Again, it would depend on the team and what is available to them or to the Wolves at the pick areas.

I am not sure McCants gets us an early teens pick right now, but I would still be willing to make a trade for a late teens pick to grab a center and balance the roster more. We always have the second round picks or next years probable later firsts (Boston for sure) that we could pair with McCants to sweeten the deal if we wanted a mid lotto pick. It is just hard to gauge his value right now.

We would miss his ability to create his own shot, especially with somewhat limited scoring options on the roster, especially from the perimeter; but I do think we would see more ball movement and Jefferson being an even larger focal point leading us to look more towards the inside/outside game (if we can find a consistent outside shooter with a good shot selection). I don't think McCants was that guy since I think he tried to do too much on his own and forced it a bit.

Additionally, I think we all suspect (or hope and pray) that Brewer will continue to work on his outside/mid range jumper and that with the new mechanics the coaching staff has been working on with him; he will become that consistent shooter. I think we are all confident in his decision making and basketball IQ, sans a few rookie/young player mistakes.

Trading McCants also makes bringing back Telfair a bit more plausible, dependent upon who we draft, not that Telfair coming back is a major reason to do this, but it may be a bonus knowing he is out there and would have a role here.

karch34 · Post #10 » by **karch34** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:49 pm

I'd definitely consider it. I think a reason you'd have to consider it is that he is in the dog house and the situation could get worse. Additionally, he could just leave and we get nothing back. At the same time, I think horaceworthy brings up a good point that we might be over-estimating his value.

The biggest thing to look at is what Dr. Krapinsky mentioned in drafting Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Lopez, or almost any other position: the 2/3 position is going to be crowded and you can't think that Foye or Gomes is going to get less time and you can be sure Brewer will get more.

Krapinsky · Post #11 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 8:01 pm

I understand the concerns that we may be overestimating his value. Phoenix and Denver might not care so much, as they are in win now mode. For Phoenix, McCants coming off the bench for them would be huge. Denver, to me, makes even more sense. They're in a position where JR Smith is a free agent. If they don't resign him, McCant's would look great as a shooter b/t AI and Melo.

Smaller parts could also be added-- i.e. we could swap seconds- or, perhaps take on a contract that is in McCant's range.

deeney0 · Post #12 » by **deeney0** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 8:18 pm

I don't think he has the value to fetch a lotto pick - if he does, I'd do it in a heartbeat. His value is probably a pick in the 20s - and I'd seriously consider that for a big (Hibbert, Thabeet, Hardin, R. Lopez...)

Krapinsky · Post #13 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 8:33 pm

What is a lotto pick worth?

In 2004 Phx traded the 7th pick (Deng) for a future #1 and a 2nd.

In 2006 Bos traded the 7th pick (Foye) for Telfair and some cap relief.

How much is a late first worth?

Last year Phx traded the 24th pick (Rudy Fernandez) for $3 mil.

mandurugo · Post #14 » by **mandurugo** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:08 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:#1: We draft Rose. Foye get's bulk of 2 guard minutes.

#2: We draft Beasley. Brewer slides down to the 2 spot.

#3: We draft Mayo. Mayo gets the minutes.

#4: We draft a Lopez. Gomes slides to the 3 or we draft a SF (i.e. Green with the mid round pick). Brewer slides to the 2.

*Under every scenario Jaric/Snyder/Buckner would get back up minutes.

I don't mind the idea for options 2, 3, or 4 - but if Rose is drafted I think the wolves would be better off trading Foye than McCants. There is no way that Foye can play major minutes at the 2 guard, he is too small.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #15 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:21 pm

I dunno, on one hand McCants is our best shooter and best all around scorer, on the other hand he makes lots of bad decisions and Wittman doesn't seem to have much trust in him, on the other hand Wittman's best potential as a coach is being average

shrink · Post #16 » by **shrink** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:23 pm

After they had their numbers retired at UNC, I always thought it would be fun to reunite McCants with Felton and May in North Carolina, on Charlotte. According to their fans, the Bobcats may be willing to trade their pick as well, as long as it isn't Top 3. It will most likely be in the 8-10 range.

I don't think McCants is worth that straight up, but don't forget, Rashad can score. He's shooting like 45% FG, 40% 3's, and averaging 15 a game. He makes a lot of mistakes, but he's still learning. The mistakes may be unforgivable on some teams (maybe even with Wittman), but I thought maybe Charlotte would still be high on him and could market him.

The Bobcats already have JRich, and I could see McCants being a sixth man over there. Unfortunately, they locked Matt Carroll into that role in a LONG deal that declines, but averages about $4.3 mil a year through 2013. Carroll stunk this year, and I could see if we'd take on his contract, using the #9 might be somewhat appealing for the Bobcats on a financial side as well as upgrading talent. It might even put a spark into Felton.

Anyway, they added Nazr, but found they have trouble playing him and Okafor at the same time, so maybe something like:

McCants + Craig Smith (S&T) for #9 + Ryan Hollins + Matt Carroll

Devilzsidewalk · Post #17 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:27 pm

I'd add in one of the 2nd rounders if we could replace Hollins w/ Sean May

Krapinsky · Post #18 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:33 pm

mandurugo wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I don't mind the idea for options 2, 3, or 4 - but if Rose is drafted I think the wolves would be better off trading Foye than McCants. There is no way that Foye can play major minutes at the 2 guard, he is too small.

I disagree with this. Foye is a better rebounder and a better 1 on 1 defender. He was forced to play SF at 'nova. What is Foye a 1/2 inch shorter than McCants? Also, teamed with Rose in the back court, Rose could guard the longer players if necessary.

Post #19 » by **Calinks** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:40 pm

Rashad is the best outside shooter and perimeter minded offensive player on a team that is sorely lacking in that area. I don't think it is in this teams best interest to trade him. Now if he and Wittman have real issues, or if McCants is being a cancer then you got to do what you got to do but I don't think we should deal him at this time.

Winter Wonder · Post #20 » by **Winter Wonder** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 9:40 pm

The next question is, if we did get the pick, who would the Wolves be targetting as the prospect they want? If we stay at the third pick as we are currently slotted (rarely happens, but anyhow) and we draft B. Lopez, do we want another big? Or are we looking for a 3 or a 2?